There have been a few relationship threads recently, so I thought I should post something. This is a list of guidelines about meeting women that my friends and I have made. It's also gotten good ratings from the women I've showed it too, especially #20. I would just like to note, this is a guideline for meeting women, nothing else. A lot of these don't apply to when you get into a relationship(some still do though). *looks at his list* Doesn't seem complete or full right now, but this is what I have. Enjoy. And please, no retards coming in and screaming "OMG! You're just a jack*** ****head that doesn't know anything!" That is just really sad. I welcome constructive criticism but I meet verbal abuse in kind.



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Good list.

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did you censor the word 'sex'?

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the first censor starts with an "a", the second with a "d" or "s"(whichever you prefer), the third with another "a".

Battle of the edits!
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no, i believe is started with an A. and the otehr two letters are both S, but i won't tell you in what order they are in.

[Edit} Darn you kieran

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I think it auto-censored der Po.

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Its all easier said then done

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Decent list, but there are a couple of flaws in my opinion, let's see...

(17) Keeping phone conversations short shouldn't be a rule (ok guideline... ), because if a conversation flows, and you don't realise it, it often means you've found someone who you're very comfortable with, and that's a good thing!

(23) Keeping complimenting to a minimum can be dangerous, some girls REALLY like to know that you're interested in them, and this can reassure them - though I do accept that too much is a bit scary!

But yeah, good advice generally!

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

I don't get #14.

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Only because of a persons mind-set.

Then take the conversation to a face-to-face meeting where it can be even better.

If you want to clue a woman in that you are interested, don't tell them. Show them. But that is a larger subject than meeting woman and I won't go into it right now. But about reassuring them...no. Be unpredictable. Keep them wondering.

Aside from what it says there, it is about not deviating from what you want. Determination is an appealing quality.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited May 23, 2004).]

That's a really good idea....

And I don't like your list. It screams 'Pagewizard.'

Arrogance turns people off too, like Number 8, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25.

Some of them seem kind of inconsiderate or rude.

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I demand that this thread be moved to the correct forum.

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I no longer associate myself with Pagewizard because if I did, every other guideline would be "Pull out your huge wanker and watch her squeal with glee". *snickers and ribs pagewizard*

Those guidelines aren't arrogant, inconsiderate, or rude. They illustrate being your own confident, independent self. In order for them to be arrogant, inconsiderate, or rude, you would have to actually detriment her in some way. With those guidelines all you are doing it preventing and keeping her from detrimenting you.

Reread #2 and #7. Those two guidelines summarize the basic behavior you should have with a woman.
No. I want this thread to be taken seriously.

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Pretty good list.

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Or you can just be honest about everything, and have a completelly honest relationship with a women, instead of playing games and testing eachother, and proving your [insert today's angsty requirement for rebellion]. Just tell a girl you're interested in her, and if she's worth your time, she won't be offended. Then just use common sense, and remember you're not in a war, and you're on the same side. As soon as you're NOT on the same side, you should get out of the relationship. It's not going to work.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

ah right, so you're just being sexist, well that's ok then...

(yeah, surprisingly I don't appreciate being called a piece of a**)

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Here here Kirby!

Kieren, my point about the phones was not to limit yourself, clearly the next step would be to meet face to face (hopefully again...), but I meant, that you shouldn't think something like...

"I've been on the phone ages, I've got to keep her guessing," and you end up coming up with a bad excuse to get out of the conversation and piss her off.

Some of the points also put the man in the typical girl's perspective, guessing games and such like - my girlfriends have all been fans of straight shooters, not people who're too bothered about dancing a dance, if you see what I mean

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

oh and also, I'd have to go with kirby here. When I started going out with my current boyfriend, we sat down at the start and had a conversation that pretty much went:

him: I really like you (short list of reasons why he liked me), but I'm not going to commit suicide or anything if you say no.

me: that's good to hear, I like you too, but I'm not sure.

him: fair enough, let me know when you are.

we then agreed that we both wanted to be together and hey presto! one relationship, no games.

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Yeah, my last relationship started like that - but a touch different...

I'd seen this girl my friend had told me he liked, and we were all going out as a group: I instructed my best mate "Don't let me get drunk and talk to Suze, because I quite like her". Which is of course what happened and my other mate was less than pleased when we hit it off. In front of him. Oops!!

Then we had a conversation like Maevie's

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

Sure.




Women like being treated like godesses. As long as you don't demand thanks for your actions, hold open a door, throw away her apple-cores, and other lunch trash, go to the other side of the room to grab her something. All without mentioning it, or asking. Just do it, and don't make a big deal out of it. Girls love that.



And this helps me... how? Maybe I should tell her that...



Depending on how you approach them. If you stalk bars looking for pretty women to steal numbers from, which is what this whole list is pointed at, you need to be shot in the face, not turned down.



I guess this is a good thing, as long as all of the girls know where you stand with them. Some girls think that if you want their number, you're sticking to them. They haven't been told anything else, either. Tell your "harem of women" (*rollseyes*) that they're jus a friend, but you'd like to get to know them better. You might ruin something if you don't.



If it takes balls to approach a girl, and you're nervous, you obviously don't like her enough. It's a crush. If your not comfortable with the girl enough to talk to her around your friends, get ready for a breakup.



Act like she's a female friend? I'd think she WERE your female friend... And if you can't fart around a girl... well, yeah. Get a new girl.



Because people who demand personal information from you are wearing trench-coats because it's cold out. Plus their tootsie rolls re-wrapped in cigerette paper is definetelly safe to eat.

Bloody hell! How long did that take you?!

And yes, I feel myself agreeing.

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

Besides it being an attempt at humor(attention grabber), I wasn't calling anyone a piece of ***. "getting any ***" is another way of saying sex.

I have yet to meet a woman who likes men who let them step all over him.

Now matter how good looking you may think this one woman is, if you get rejected it isn't a big deal. You'll probably find someone who is better looking. It's called a positive attitude.

...how do you steal someones number? Rifle through her purse or something?

These are women you just met that night. You want to go exclusive that early? And I'm not a man whore.

E-mail is considered a safer alternative than a phone number. This would be appropriate with complete strangers that you know nothing about.

"I'm looking to meet new people and you seem interesting"
<insert conversation here>
"I have to go. Give me your number and I'll call you later."

no it's not. Chess doesn't take into account human emotion. Also, these are guidelines, not concrete rules. Want to call her a week later? Go right ahead.

I don't even understand that criticism

You missed the entire point of #20. It's common sense that you don't try to make out or watch TV with a girl as a first date. Use some rationality.

good point

exactly

its when guys do it as compensation and too much that it becomes a problem

once again, you aren't being reasonable. I'm talking about if, for instance, you two decide to go to the mall. She goes into a store, but you see a promo in a store a few stores down. It is suprising how many guys(at least around here) think they can't go check it out and have to follow around the woman all the time.

That means don't smother her with attention. Give her (and yourself) room to breath. I've seen many guy become clingy as hell within the first few dates. Always end badly.

Yes

And I love how people are trying to equate the list with playing games. This is list the complete opposite. I know it should be common sense that guys should just act normal and natural around women, but most of us don't. When we approach someone we like, we get all squirmy, nervous, and intimidated. The entire point of that list was to point out that being yourself is the best course. Do you ever go up to your friends and say "Hey could I possibly get some money for a drink?" No, you say something more along the lines of "Hey, I need some money for a drink. I'll pay you back." When you call your buddies, do you talk with them for an hour when you both could and want to get together and hang out? No, you don't. This is an opinion, but I think talking in person is a lot more fun than talking over the phone. Guys tend not to be themselves around women they are interested in. If you took that list and translated(translate, not replace. Big difference) it into an interaction with your friends, it would be the same.

I should have put a disclaimer at the top of my list: "Use rational thought. The list is left a little vague so that it is adaptable to different situations."

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited May 23, 2004).]

Keiran: just out of curiosity, are you currently involved/seeing anyone or have you done so lately?

To me, every woman is different in each way of which you act, there is no exact "guideline" towards how you should or should not act.

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Yes, I am. It's been about 5 months. Unfortunately, come sometime during the summer it will end because we are going to different colleges that are a long ways away(I'm staying in Utah, she's going to Hawaii).

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Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a *****?

Besides my guidelines being a bit vague on purpose for just that reason, they are geared a little toward the friendly and laid back women.

Also, a guideline isn't a rule. It's a suggestion. Pick and choose what you want.

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I also think it just depends on the guy as well. Some guys can be real "alpha male *******s" and girls will be all over them. Still other guys can just be charming and suave, and other girls will fall for that too. Just like some guys like blondes, and some guys like brunettes, there is no "ultimate" guy(either physically or personality wise) that every girl will be attracted to, and vice versa.

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That is completely retarded, I am sorry. If anyone has known this to work on more then one occascion, please tell me.

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Too many people automatically assume these kinds of tips are rules for some sort of devilish machinations where the endgame is sex.

Most, if not all, are based on observations of the behaviour and actions of people who have more success. There are people who automatically wait a couple of days before calling, not because they consciously think "right, I must maximise her interest in me without appearing too desperate", but because it's what seems like common sense and natural to them.

jEDIkIRBY, don't confuse common courtesey and chivalrous behaviour with putting a woman on a pedestal and treating them like a goddess. I hold doors open for everyone, i've done it all my life. I do stuff for other people without asking anything in return. Women probably appreciate it more than Men do, but it's not the same as giving them special treatment.

This is true, but there seems to be a base that is unverisal(or close to that) for both guys and girls. For guys, it is looks(yes, we say it isn't that important but that is what we notice first). For girls, it is having good leadership skills. There are variables within those(i.e. one guys definition of good looking is not the same as another guy).

Hi

btw, Thank you Det, erm, I mean Jay Moore.

But on the issue of the sex thing. You know, women like sex too. Some people here seem to think that if there is ever sex, it is because the guy drugged, seduced, or did some kind of foul play to get the woman. It is possible for women to want sex just as much as guys do. They just aren't as overt about it as us.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited May 23, 2004).]

Why can't this be a common thing? I hate playing games.

Um... yeah.. can't say I really like that list too much. I'll skip out on dissecting it, though.

Um, this is good and all, but it only works with women under the age of 25 (with few exceptions)...



Yes, their very Covert about it.

But your right, they think about it a whole lot more then a lot of guys do. I've actually "overheard" girls/women talking together and if anything remotely similier to something sexual comes up, the whole topic changes to sex. Women are very comfortable about talking about sex around their girl friends (going into details). where as I've found with guys, they tend to try to get off the subject as soon as possible (makes them uncomfortable).

Anyhow, my 2 cents.

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does this work for brad pitt as well?

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1. Geeks don't get any *** for a reason: they are too shy. Being outgoing shows you have confidence.

>agreed.

2. Women are people too. So stop treating them like dieties and start treating them like equals.

>Agreed.

3: Just remember that no matter how attractive a woman is, you'll always find one that is even more attractive.


>Agreed.


4. Very few women will by put off by you approaching them. Most women will be anywhere between neutral and positive. And if they are annoyed or anything about you approaching them, do you really want to be around that person?


>Absolutely.

5. There is nothing wrong with meeting multiple women and getting their numbers/e-mails in one night or dating a few people at once. In fact, it is encouraged. If you want to make plans and someone flakes, so what? You have other ladies that want to be with you.


>Oh hell yeah.

6. If you are at a bar, club, whatever, do not be afraid to approach her when she is around her friends. That takes balls and she knows it.


>True, but ideally you should have a few competent wingmen to chat up the others while oyu go for your target.


7: When you approach a woman, act like she is one of your female friends. Be comfortable with her, but not as comfortable as you are with your frat boy pals(farting, burping, etc)

>right.

8. When getting a woman's number, don't ask. Make it a statement. "Hey, give me your number." sounds a lot better than "Can I have your number?"


>Very true. My dfavourite closing line is:

*looks at watch*

"I have to go meet my friend at ________. i enjoyed meeting with you. Give me your number and perhaps we can pick the conversation up later."

9. Don't take rejection personally. She doesn't want to be around you? Fine. Her loss.


>This is very true. Once you learn this, you will be playing the dating game in god mode. You will be invincible, trust me.

10. Do not fear rejection. It's not like she will convey her dislike of you by stabbing you in the eye with a pen.

>See above statement.

11. There is nothing wrong with asking for an e-mail instead of phone number. Sometimes it is even better. What is the worst that could happen? You forwarding all your spam to her?

>While this is acceptable, I personally always go for the phone number. Home phone is good, cell phone is better.


12. When getting a phone number or e-mail, do not let the conversation last longer than 10 minutes if you are in a setting where you can avoid it(club, bar, etc, etc). You are only there because she caught your eye and you want to get to know her better later, when you have more time.


>Yes, most guys screw up on this. The whole point is to get the number and get the hell out of there. Sit on the number for about 7 days, this gives you time to regroup and set up a strategy.


13. You don't need to come up with a specific reason to want her number or email. Just saying "I'm looking to meet new people and you seem interesting" is enough.


>Right.

14. Women will test you, both consciously and sub-consciously. They are looking for weaknesses in your character and don't fall for it. For example, if you tell a woman you just met to put her name and number on a napkin(whither you already know her name or not doesn't matter), and she says she will put her initials, don't tolerate that.


>True.

15. When you get a woman's e-mail or phone number, do not wait more than 2 days to call her. You want her to remember you. But don't call her that same day either. That is a little creepy.

>from my experience, there is no general rule on this. You may like two, but I prefer 7 days. It just gives me more time, plus I'm busy as hell.

16. Call or e-mail no more than once a day. She doesn't need stalkers.

>yep.


17. Keep phone conversations short. Their only purpose is to tell her that you want company for tea/coffee/whatever.

>Agreed.

18. Your life does not revolve around her(especially when you just met her). She is just along for the ride.


>True.

19. Do not take a woman you have just met on fancy or expensive dates. Why on earth would you spend all that money on a stranger just for their attention? That's what hookers are for.

>Right. Coffee is good for the first date. I then move into action dates like bowling and what not, b/c they're fun. Long meals are boring.


20. Do not give her control of the dates that you ask her out to. Plan and execute them yourself according to what you like, not what she likes. That shows your leadership. And if she asks you out on a date, lean back and enjoy the ride.


>Yep, always have a f***ing plan.


21. Don't tolerate her flaking out on you or calling right before the date/meeting and canceling for any reason other than a life threatening situation. Mainly because any other reason is probably BS and she may be testing you. If she flakes out on you tell her you are annoyed(she screwed up your plans) and that she owes you(don't be a dick about it though).


>If she flakes, move on. NEXT!

22. Remember, you are not around her to get her acceptance. You are around her to see if she is worth being around.


>exactly, she must appeal to you. I cannot empasize this enough. Thanks for backing me up.

23. Keep your complimenting to a minimum. You aren't her mother and if you compliment her too much, the compliments begin to lose meaning.


>Yep, make her earn them.

24. When you are out some place with her, don't think twice about going off on your own for awhile to check something out that you are interested in. You are an independent person.

>Right.


25. Don't forget to give her the gift of missing you. Limit your time with her.


>Kieran knows the game


26: Learn from the past, don't regret it. There is no point in mulling over your screw ups with women.


>Definitely.


27. You WILL screw up horribly your first several times you start to seriously meet women. It's all about learning. And just because something doesn't work once, doesn't mean you should just throw it out. Maybe it just didn't work on that one woman.


>Agreed.


28. Even the best make mistakes.

>Yes. I speak from experience.

29. Be proud in who you are, but also....

30. .....just because you are a nerd, dumb jock, what have you, that doesn't mean you have to act all the negative qualities of it out.

>Yes. I like hanging out here, but I also enjoy doing other stuff. I have a life, yet I sometimes use linux. Stereotypes are meant to be broken.



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

No, no, NO!!!!!

If you do this, you will be reavealing your intentions, which is a very, very bad thing to do. You want her to wonder where she stands with you, and telling her f***s everything up.

Kieran and I see pretty much eye to eye on the basic issues, our only differences of opinion are due to personal preferences.




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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

you know Pagewizard, you could have made your post a hell of a lot shorter by just saying "I agree with the list".

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*blinks* It will be awhile before I reach that thresh hold.

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The reason why we have to do it this way is b/c the gender roles are all messed up. Men are supposed to naturally have these abilities, but our wussified culture has caused us to forget it and has spawned a generation of androgenous males that have no idea how to be successful with women. A whole generation of masculinity has been stripped away. (In the US this is prevalent, I'm not sure about other countries.)

These strategies are guides to help you relearn what you really are and what nature intended you to be.



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Well yes, i could have, but you know me.

Now massassi has two of us to deal with. Hopefully more before this is over....



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

....as long as they don't live near me. I'm happy with most of the other guys that live near me being wussies. It's both irritating and funny at the same time.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited May 23, 2004).]