Gold, I have to ask, do you actually comprehend what you're talking about? I mean, you're referencing this "Watch Tower" so much, do you actually understand what they're talking about or do you just repeat them?

Theres a huge difference in comprehending beliefs and repeating them. Right now, it just seems like you're repeating what they say.

Edit: Sorry if this seems like an anti-Gold attack as I know you go through that alot, but really I'm just curious.

I'm still not getting your points. If competition, like a simple soccer game, can lead to killings and afterschool Kung Fu lessons lead to war, why not stop doing almost every other thing? Love relationships with a girl can lead to murder. So many people were killed in the name of love. Why not stop going to school too? Education from teachers can put so many "wrong" ideas in people's head and expose them to terribly sinful thoughts. Hey, why not stop using the internet? The internet is now a network of moral decay and responsible for such things as porn, attacks, racism, theft, scams, corruption, addiction, and so on.

Competition is only human nature. And I have a feeling that without it, there'd be noone to cure from cancer in the first place. We'd be all ruled by monkeys by now. The filthy monkeys, they plan.

so, when we nuke the planet don't you want colonies on other planets?

also, remember, because of the Space program, you have that computer in front of you

The bible says that Jehovah god is the only god that deserves devotion, and the only date to be celebrated is the memory of the death of the christ, the 14th of Nisan. I believe that is all we need to say in short summary.

But not because we reached the moon.

Oh, and btw. You kind of ignored the first part of my question. Aren't God and Satan competing?

The fact of the matter is we were not made to compete, and learning how to fight is learning war, whether you go to war or not, and our war is with the evil spirits or demons, not with a fellow man.

Everything but the last recorded 4,000 years of human history proves you right. I guess.

The Space program put us on the moon, and because of the technology developed doing so we can get closer to curing cancer and such. the moon was just the goal of the time, its other planets currently and how ever long after that we'll get colonies

Lack of struggle leads to atrophy. Atrophy leads to weakness. Weakness leads to defeat.

We have enough struggles in life to have to create more with our selves.

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Maybe for some people. But not for all. There is also what goes beyond the necessity for struggle and into the interest in struggle.

Gold am i comprehending this right or did you compare soccor to war?.....
If so the i just lost faith in humanity

Why help homeless people and give them more food? How about spending the money on stabilizing the economy and improving education so that there won't be any homeless people in the first place? And why give money to cure cancer when there are far worse diseases in the world like malaria and AIDS? But then again, why should we try to destroy organisms that were created by the all powerful Intelligent Designer? Etc. etc.

The arguments you make are childish and immature.

ARE. GOD. AND. SATAN. COMPETING. QUESTION. MARK.

GRAH, the sheer ignorance you're preaching irks the hell out of me.

You just said YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU that only one day should be celebrated.

You don't believe it.
You don't have a reason for thinking that way.
It doesn't change a single thing.
Except you do it anyway because it was written in a book.

Don't tell people you're right, even if you are, and expect them to believe you with nothing but a book in your hand.

Holy crap, I can't believe what I'm reading. Someone is actually claiming that Halloween is a pagan worship of an evil deity... couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm glad Vincent Valentine set the facts straight.

It is scary to see how ignorant people can be, especially when it comes to religious beliefs.

Jews went to war against the people of Jericho, killing almost all of them.

Jews slaughtered the idolaters at Mount Sinai.

These were done with the permission of God. Violence has happened, and it's not necessarily a thing against God.

As for the "cure for cancer instead of space program" argument, I can assure you, the funding is not the big limitation in the research's progress.

But wolfy, we can put devine faith into only some of the words in the bible, and can throw out others.

Er, Halloween does have pagan roots. But, you know, so what? I'm an atheist, for Christ's sake.

Haha, Koobie makes me laugh.

... implying theres more than one? That's very anti-monotheistic. But I don't know too much about your religion, maybe it isn't monotheistic in the first place.

Duh. I know all about pagan belief. That's why I'm so upset to hear someone thinks it's about devil worship.

Well I'm tired of all this discussing. You people just think that god is not so strict... we will see on judgement day.

Can I get a reference for that? o.O



Personally, I'm with Genki here as a non-denominational Christian. The organized church of today really promotes apathy towards God. People just go to church on Sundays and live your life Monday through Saturday a completely different person. I try to live my life pleasing to God and have a relationship with Him.



The best thing about God is that even if we mess up, He is not mad at us; however, He is right there waiting to embrace us again. He is not a judgmental god.

[ I'll not post statements that are inflammatory ] Sounds like an amazing creature; to have created only to rule. I'd rather live in spite of such a foul being than in worship. Satanism is a really attractive religion... but that'd require me to believe in divinity in the first place.

Petrifying.

Eh, not really. Not LaVey's version of it, at least. My only gripe with Satanism is that it seems dumb to make an organized movement for a philosophy preaching individualism.

If god created you, I'm sure he would have created a beneficial ruling system for you. All I'm going to say is what James said: If you draw close to god, he will draw close to you.

Interestingly enough, the first commandment is worded such that some theologists pose that the Jews were still stuck in a polytheistic mindset from their time in Egypt.

Well, my knowledge of Satanism is basically that it's athiesm with the exceptance of god, and the religion is as you said individualism in spite of that god.

So you agree that god is, in that respect, selfish? A human characteristic. How could any god have that characteristic unless... oh wait... we created him?

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First of all, I'm not a christian, but I know this much:

If you believe in God out of fear, you do not understand. IF there is a God, than he/she is Love. (and everything that comes from that, compassion, forgiveness, mercy - what Christ teaches)

A God that is unforgiving and merciless and stills fear into the hearts of people for 'Judgment Day', is a deity that rules with fear, and I don't want anything to do with it. It's fascist. It's Satan. Whatever, but it's wrong.

I refuse to believe out of fear, the only good reason (if any), is Love.

"Search your feelings... you know it to be true."

On Judgement Day i'm going to own you all by camping the spawn points

If God created everything, then that includes cancerous mutations and fatal viruses. If this is so, He either wants us to welcome those invaders into our fragile bodies and die, or to be IN COMPETITION with them and live. Rebuttal?

I hate religious discussions, which is why I"m not going to respond to anyone's previous or upcoming posts... but I will say this.

When I heard that J.W.'s believe things like "Jesus died on a pole, not on a cross" and that "blood transfusions are sinful because blood is supposed to stay in the body" I pretty much blew a gasket.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken... (which I might be? It could be another group I don't remember unfortunately) J.W.'s have predicted judgement day many...MANY times, and were always wrong (proven by the fact that we're like....still here). And this is over like, centuries.
EVEN THOUGH it says you can't predict it in the bible, they keep trying to, and then come up with excuses for them to be wrong.
year 1 Judgement day next year!
Year 2 It was postponed 5 more years due to a legal technicality.
Year 4 It'll come in 2 years instead, and since it's not 5 years yet, we think this actually overrules our previous prediction and makes logical sense!
Year 6 Jesus came and said it'll come in 20 years.
Yada yada.

Or is that the watchtower group... or is that the same thing? I can't remember.

Anyways :P.

That's my 2 cents.

Yeah, that's why I can't stand Christianity. You believe because you want to live forever.


I think organized religon is just a protective blanket over the natural human fear of death and ceasing to exist.


Like another member said, progress cannot be made without competition. Think about school; your grades are a show of your intelligence compared to other students.


I'm sure there was a competition to something like the wheel back in prehistoric days.