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Denver LEGALIZES MARIJUANA!
2005-11-02, 1:01 PM #1
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4570.html
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Denver voters make adult possession of one ounce or less of marijuana legal.

Denver became the first city in the nation to make the private use of marijuana legal for adults 21 and older as an alternative to alcohol, a far more harmful drug. By 10.45 p.m. Tuesday night, with 100% of the votes tallied, the Alcohol-Marijuana Equalization Initiative had passed 53.49% YES to 46.51% NO.

The Alcohol-Marijuana Equalization Initiative is the first local measure in the nation to draw a comparison between the harms of alcohol and marijuana.

The successful I-100 campaign focused on the vast number of health, safety and social problems associated with alcohol use, promoting marijuana use to avoid the prevalence of such problems. The campaign pointed to government reports and scholarly studies that show alcohol is a contributing factor in domestic violence, sexual assaults, and other violent crimes, as well as overdose deaths, whereas the use of marijuana has never been linked to such violent behavior and there has never been a marijuana overdose death in history.


Colorado Medical Marijuana certificate
"It is time our laws reflect the facts, and it is an indisputable fact that marijuana is safer than alcohol, both to the user and to society," said Mason Tvert, executive director of SAFER and coordinator of the I-100 campaign. "Current laws accept and even encourage the use of alcohol over marijuana, thus pushing people toward using a more harmful substance. Why on earth would we prohibit an adult from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana instead of alcohol in their own home?"

By approving the I-100, the use of marijuana in public, the use of marijuana by people under 21, driving under the influence of marijuana, and the cultivation and distribution of marijuana would all remain illegal, much like with alcohol.

Cannabis Culture will update this story as more details become available.

Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER) is a Colorado-based non-profit organization whose mission is to educate the public about the harmful consequences associated with alcohol, as compared to the safer — yet illegal — substance: marijuana.

Here is the language of the Initiative-100

Alcohol-Marijuana Equalization Initiative

WHEREAS, according to the National Institutes of Health, an average of 317 Americans die annually as the result of alcohol overdoses; and

WHEREAS, there has never been even a single fatal marijuana overdose recorded in the medical literature, as noted by the British Medical Journal in September 2003; and

WHEREAS, according to U.S. Department of Justice, “About 3 million crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking at the time of the offense. Among those victims who provided information about the offender’s use of alcohol, about 35% of the victimizations involved an offender who had been drinking”; and

WHEREAS, extensive research, documented in official reports by the British government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs and the Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, among others, shows that -- unlike alcohol -- marijuana use is not generally a cause of violence or aggressive behavior and in fact tends to reduce violence and aggression;

WHEREAS, it is the intent of this ordinance to have the private adult use and possession of marijuana treated in the same manner as the private adult use and possession of alcohol;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ENACTED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENVER


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2005-11-02, 1:09 PM #2
Oh great. Now people have a better way to stink us up than cigarettes. Sigh. :rolleyes:
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2005-11-02, 1:14 PM #3
I thought it was a national law anyway, so wouldn't that make this law... uhh... pointless?
2005-11-02, 1:15 PM #4
Yeah, someone didn't teach Denver about the supremecy clause. Someone will bring Denver to the supreme court and the law will be considered unconstitutional.
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2005-11-02, 1:15 PM #5
Yes, but the more laws like this that are passed locally, the more pressure it puts on the government to change things.
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2005-11-02, 1:16 PM #6
Unlikelly, especially at 54 percent of a city's populace voting for it.
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2005-11-02, 1:17 PM #7
Another city goes anti-Inquisition.
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2005-11-02, 1:19 PM #8
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Unlikelly, especially at 54 percent of a city's populace voting for it.


Drasctic change always starts small, but then it snowballs.
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2005-11-02, 1:20 PM #9
Right, the "Jesus == Gravity" people can attest to that theorum.
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2005-11-02, 1:21 PM #10
State governments don't care. Just because there is a federal law, it doesn't stop them from making local law. Even when the federal government banned medical marijuana not too long ago, they stopped for like a week, then started again. Unless there is some sort of federal enforcement of the law, the federal law right now won't do much.
2005-11-02, 1:22 PM #11
All it takes is for some rich mother to sue Denver and take it to Supreme Court.
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2005-11-02, 1:30 PM #12
I hope that happens. I don't like the idea of more body-affecting substances being legalized.
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2005-11-02, 1:31 PM #13
As long as they don't touch my caffeine.
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2005-11-02, 1:34 PM #14
Or my whiskey, so I can beat my kids with no recollection of it in the morning!
2005-11-02, 1:41 PM #15
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Right, the "Jesus == Gravity" people can attest to that theorum.


Civil rights is a far better comparison.
Pissed Off?
2005-11-02, 1:56 PM #16
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Yeah, someone didn't teach Denver about the supremecy clause. Someone will bring Denver to the supreme court and the law will be considered unconstitutional.



The constitution doesn't prohibit government from legalizing marijuana. Although, I think there's an interesting debate to be had on whether or not marijuana should be banned through a constitutional amendment. If alcohol required an amendment during the prohibition years, then why does government have the constitutional authority to ban other private substance intake without amending the bill of rights?


Regardless, this law can't be overturned by the Supreme Court. As it stands, local agencies in Denver cannot arrest people for using marijuana (below the limit dosage anyway). The problem that Kirby is referring to is not judicial review, but the fact that the DEA and other federal agencies can arrest you no matter where you are. But, this law provides a lot more protection for small-time, casual use. Local laws that have greater trouble with federal intereference are medicinal marijuana laws since it's easy for the DEA to prosecute pharmacies/ill people with a doctor's note than a random pothead who smokes in his house.


To be honest, I'd say Kirby says marijuana won't become legalized because he doesn't want it to be legalized. For anyone interested in seeing the current federal law eliminated, this is a positive first step. Avenger is right. While this one local law might not be enough, it generates discussion where it wasn't before. It will also allow a local case study so we can better examine the costs and benefits of legalized marijuana. Both consequences will help in the long run.

I, however, think that it's time we started framing this as a states' rights issue. It's time for the removal of the current federal laws. We can debate whether or not marijuana is harmful all day. If we don't know, it's better to give it to the states. States act as laboratories for laws on matters such as marijuana that don't currently have a clear answer.
2005-11-02, 1:58 PM #17
Its not the harmfulness that annoys me! Its the stench. My poor nose wouldN't live through this.
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2005-11-02, 2:01 PM #18
Originally posted by Jepman:
Its not the harmfulness that annoys me! Its the stench. My poor nose wouldN't live through this.


Weed smoke smells FAR better than cigarette smoke.
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2005-11-02, 2:04 PM #19
This move is symbolic, but I am pleased nonetheless.
2005-11-02, 2:05 PM #20
[QUOTE=Jedi Legend]
I, however, think that it's time we started framing this as a states' rights issue. It's time for the removal of the current federal laws. We can debate whether or not marijuana is harmful all day. If we don't know, it's better to give it to the states. States act as laboratories for laws on matters such as marijuana that don't currently have a clear answer.[/QUOTE]

It's not a state issue, it's local, city level. Federal law overrides this if it ever gets taken to court, so the point is moot. There are far more effective ways of making a point than this.

In addition, the reason alcohol was banned via amendment was (I believe) because it is far more difficult to overturn an amendment.
2005-11-02, 2:11 PM #21
Originally posted by Jepman:
Its not the harmfulness that annoys me! Its the stench. My poor nose wouldN't live through this.


I'd call you an ignorant, selfish prick, but that would be a personal attack and a clear ad hominem. So, I won't call you that. But really, do you think a person should go to jail simply because something they do makes you a little uncomfortable?
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2005-11-02, 2:16 PM #22
No. But I sure as hell don't feel like smelling like weed.
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2005-11-02, 2:16 PM #23
Originally posted by stat:
I'd call you an ignorant, selfish prick, but that would be a personal attack and a clear ad hominem. So, I won't call you that. But really, do you think a person should go to jail simply because something they do makes you a little uncomfortable?


No, but they could at least have some freakin manners and smoke away from people.
2005-11-02, 2:17 PM #24
Originally posted by SiliconC:
Weed smoke smells FAR better than cigarette smoke.


And thats the opinion of about every and all pot smokers I've heard. Thats to you.

Weed smells MUCH stronger, and far worse. Look, I've hung out with people who smoked pot long enough to know that. But either way cigarette or weed smell like crap.
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2005-11-02, 2:18 PM #25
Originally posted by Jepman:
Its not the harmfulness that annoys me! Its the stench. My poor nose wouldN't live through this.


I'm going to buy 30 midgets to just come over and poop next to you all day.
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2005-11-02, 2:18 PM #26
[QUOTE=Cool Matty]It's not a state issue, it's local, city level. Federal law overrides this if it ever gets taken to court, so the point is moot. There are far more effective ways of making a point than this.

In addition, the reason alcohol was banned via amendment was (I believe) because it is far more difficult to overturn an amendment.[/QUOTE]


It IS a state issue. I was referring not just to the article but to the whole concept of a federal law banning marijuana. If you think that KS should be able to ban marijuana while the city Denver legalizes it while the whole state of CA legalizes it for medicinal purposes all at the same time, you should be against the federal law regardless of your stance on marijuana law.

Regardless, the law isn't completely pointless because it DOES strict local authority to enforce marijuana laws, even if it allows federal prosecution to continue. A court can't overturn a law for being contradictory to a federal law. The law has to violate the constitution before judicial review can take over.


As for the last thing regarding the 18th and 21st amendments... I have some stuff to say about that (I did some research), but my thoughts are currently incomplete and I'm about to head out.
2005-11-02, 2:20 PM #27
Both marijuana and tobacco cigarettes have an obnoxious smell. But smelling bad is not against the law, so I'm not taking that into account in any post I make.
2005-11-02, 2:40 PM #28
[QUOTE=Cool Matty]No, but they could at least have some freakin manners and smoke away from people.[/QUOTE]
Erm, marijuana users aren't exactly walking up and down the streets blowing smoke in your face...
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2005-11-02, 2:47 PM #29
No... because it's illegal. If it's legal then they may do.
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2005-11-02, 2:56 PM #30
Originally posted by Jepman:
Oh great. Now people have a better way to stink us up than cigarettes. Sigh. :rolleyes:


as long as you dont wear your petrolium flavoured deoderon or aftershave, i'll start paying attention to your plea for a perfect smelling world, instead of a general live and let live policy, oh yeah, stop taking a **** too.
2005-11-02, 3:00 PM #31
Dude...it's only AN OUNCE or less. I don't think people will bother you that much with that much.
2005-11-02, 3:01 PM #32
So if its still illegal to distribute or cultivate marijuana, how are people going to get ahold of it? And isn't it illegal to possess something that you obtained from an illegal source if you know that source is illegal?
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2005-11-02, 3:04 PM #33
[QUOTE=Rogue Leader]So if its still illegal to distribute or cultivate marijuana, how are people going to get ahold of it? And isn't it illegal to possess something that you obtained from an illegal source if you know that source is illegal?[/QUOTE]

People are allowed to possess it. And most of the weed that's in America today comes from either Colorado or Cali. Point is, I guess it's legal to grow only an ounce?

This new law has too many flaws. I question its legitibility.

[EDIT:] Nevermind. I found this: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/02/denvermarijuana.ap/index.html
2005-11-02, 3:28 PM #34
Originally posted by Anovis:
Dude...it's only AN OUNCE or less. I don't think people will bother you that much with that much.


Do you know how much an ounce of marijuana is? Think of a gallon ziplock bag filled with oregano.
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2005-11-02, 3:38 PM #35
Originally posted by Avenger:
Do you know how much an ounce of marijuana is? Think of a gallon ziplock bag filled with oregano.


Not enough.

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2005-11-02, 3:42 PM #36
Indeed! :p
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2005-11-02, 3:54 PM #37
Congratulations to Denver. Yay for progression.

If alcohol is legal, so should Cannabis be. Alcohol is a much harder drug. It's much more addictive and the effects suffered from it are far more severe.

One of the few good things about living in the Netherlands. :P

Legalize!
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2005-11-02, 3:55 PM #38
I'm not a smoker, but I think we need less things illegal in this country. It totally makes sense, since it doesn't harm anyone. I don't do it because of personal reasons and my own sense of integrity, and I don't think marijuana causes harm to society on the level that would make government intervention justified.
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2005-11-02, 4:01 PM #39
Originally posted by Avenger:
Do you know how much an ounce of marijuana is? Think of a gallon ziplock bag filled with oregano.


That's about a quap, maybe a bit more. An ounce is about the size of a sandwich bag.

An ounce is still a lot, though. Most small-time dealers buy in ounces.
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2005-11-02, 4:10 PM #40
The concept of legalizing harmful substances because they're harmful has NEVER made sense to me. And alcohol IS a worse drug than Mary J... so we shoudl be asking ourselves why it's still legal, not why MJ isn't.
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