I'm not sure if this is allowed considering that they gave the religious forums the axe. So if it's not against the rules I have a question. For those of you who don't believe in God, why don't you? Simple question, don't be a stupid jerk. Keep it civil. I'm just curious.

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Just read Cicero in school. Cicero answers questions with questions. Cicero is COOL.

Why don't you believe in Chinese marshmallow okapis doing the saftey dance to Mobb Deep while reciting the table of Mendeljev?

**** this reframing. I'm getting pissed off; you believer-yoyos are asking THE WRONG QUESTIONS.

Why DO you believe in God?

See dude, ain't that hard. Just think about it for a while, **** social norms, and get a mind of your own.

Now THAT'S BAIT.

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It just doesn't make sense to me. I need some kind of logical explaination other than "Just is." :/

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You know, anymore, the social norm is drifting towards NOT believing.

I believe in god, but not in religion. Why? See Dogma.

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I don't believe in God because he doesn't exist. Simple... although it would give me a valid reason to believe in one.

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"Let's live today, let's live tomorrow, and let's live the day after that, even if it means living in eternal pain."
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1) I never started going to church when I was little, so I never had the influence at an early age when I was the most impressionable.

2) Religious nutballs really put religion in a bad light. And I'm not talking about suicide bombers and abortion clinic snipers. I'm talking about the psychos that go nuts whenever you do something they don't like.

3) Rules and restrictions(specifically those that aren't even in the Bible). I'm on this Earth to learn and enjoy it, not walk around with a stick up my ***. Most religious people feel and act the same way, I just want to make it official.

4) The OT

5) I have better things to do than going to church every sunday and spend hours there.

6) I live in Utah. Mormons are scary.

7) Most of the religious people I know are idiots. Not because they are religious, but because they don't question. That doesn't exactly make me think fondly of religion.

8) My[/b] hard earned paycheck, keep your mitts off it. I'll give to the poor when I'm good and ready, not when you feel like ripping 10% of my money out of my wallet.

9) When you have as little outside influences as possible, it makes it easier to think pragmatically. Religion(or psychotic atheistism for that matter) is one more influence I don't need.

10) Religious rhetoric really pisses me off when it tries to color everyone but its members as wrong and going to hell. Judging people is God's job, not yours, so shut up.

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11) It is my belief that religion is a man-made creation to coddle him when he is afraid of the unknown, explain what he can't figure out himself, and justify what he knows is otherwise wrong. It is(or has become) an institution of comfort and convienence.

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I can't identify myself with any sort of religion, it just goes against the way I feel and think.

So then, You're alive. What do you, or rather, who would you give thanks for that? Your parents? Ok, fine. How about before them? And before them, and all the way to the beginning? Who made them (assuming that's Adam and Eve)? If you follow the evolution theory, who made the first monkey? The list goes on, but the question is: who made who? That's where God comes in. It's as simple as that. Period. That's all the proof you need.

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Who made God?

Snake, I would love to believe God decided to just create everything, but things in real life are never that easy or clear cut. Creating a God is a convenient answer to a (currently) impossible question. It is a lazy answer for a lazy person.

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Stanley Miller?

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There's no logical way to prove, or disprove religion. It all comes down to how much BS you're willing to believe. That goes both ways.

The truth? I know the truth: We don't know everything, especially the truth. Humans should stop kidding themselves, assuming they know whether or not there's a god, or how we came to exsist.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

Thank you for being civilized. [sarcasm]
Allow me to do the same as you do to me.
Why not?
BTW, Mr. Civilized, I do in fact have a mind of my own. And it's scary. Which is why I think I'm becoming insane.

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"Father to your hands I commend my spirirt. Father to your hands-Why have you forsaken me?"

*points to jedikirby* exactly

12) Religions through history don't exactly have a good track record of being true.
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Kieran Horn reminds me:

The greeks beleived in a pantheon of gods, which in grade school your teachers tell you "Don't be silly, they're just stories the Greeks used to explain things they didn't understand." as she polished the cross around her neck. People assume just because they exsist, that their current exsistance is 'advanced,' a relative term.

I always told my teachers to shove it when they disbelieved the Greek Gods. Honestly, compairing them to Christianity... they're about the same thing, as far as outrageous goes.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

Who made the universe?

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Because if he were a loving, understanding, practical God he would understand how illogical it would be to ask us to follow him purely on faith. He should provide enough proof that he exists so that we can KNOW he exists, not just believe. The way I see it, this isn't asking too much because like I said if he were the loving, understanding God that he's supposed to be, he would understand how easy it would be for us to follow the wrong thing simply because of faith.

That's simply the reason I don't believe in a God.

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Prove to me that he DOES exist. From where I sit, all the proof you people ever have is a book. Anyone I have EVER asked to prove God exists points to it and hides behind it. Anytime a person brings up religion around me and asks what I believe in, they instantly become stuckup litte freaks. As was said, that doesn't help me think better of anything.



Here's an entertaining thought... This of course would mean that we are all related, albiet rather distantly now, but would that not imply incest? Isn't that forbidden in the Bible?

Don't even start with the monkeys. Look at the facts. Something like 99% of the DNA between human's and Chimpanzees (I think) is identical. Does that not raise just a LITTLE flag?

Besides, any sane person obviously realizes that the entire human race is desended from the crew of the Golgafrincham B Ark.

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Uhh, no, you dumb heretic. It was Tiamat and Apsu!

They totally did the flood thing when it was still cool, too, not like that Noah poser who was just riding on Gilgamesh's coattails...

As if. Timat got her arse kicked by some young whippersnapper named Marduk. Ananke is beyond the reaches of time and controls the fate of all the lesser gods. Who are you to deny her all encompassing glory?

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Here's why that's a bad idea: If God provides proof of his existance, how many people will follow him out of fear? Lots. Would you want people following you around, worshipping and cowering to cover their own arse? It might be fun for a while, but it would get old and annoying *real* quick.
God wants a relationship with mankind. Relationships based on fear don't work. Period. You miss the point of his statement altogether. He clearly asked why you don't believe, not to prove your disbelief. If your disbelief is grounded on lack of evidence, then you are comitting a logical fallacy called ad ignorantium.
For example, lots of theories have been proposed without sufficient evidence to back them. Does that automatically make them untrue? Of course not. It simply means it cannot be proven, and nothing more.

I'm not saying he should make it so obvious we should fear him. I just think that it's rather silly to leave it as an unsolvable problem. If he was a truely loving God, how can he allow me to sit here, think through it, and logically come to decide that he doesn't exist? It just seems like he'd make it so that those of us that care (and I really do, I've been trying for years to believe and finally I've just come to the conclusion that I can't) should be able to find some kind of proof if we look hard enough.

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Fine. You want me to tell you why I don't believe? I think it's a load of horse ****. I was brought up being told I can believe what ever I wanted. I don't believe in ANY God. You people are told what to believe, sure you can make up your own mind about it, but you're still told what to believe. You are further told that if you don't do as this imaginary being tells you to, you go to hell. Gee, how nice. Religion has caused so many downright bloody wars it isn't really even funny. These same religious people run after others who don't believe the same things they do and scorn, persecute, and ultimately try to "save their souls" by converting them.

I may be looking at all the bad things having to so with religion here, but if that's the way I choose to justify not wanting to believe in a God who really is supposed to symbolize peace, that's my affair.

Now, I'll tell you what I DO believe in. I believe that there is an Afterlife. Note I'm not saying Heaven or Hell. I think those concepts are absurd. I believe that your standing in the Afterlife will be judged upon your overall standing in Life. If you're a murderer and have killed gobs of people, you'll have a fairly miserable Afterlife. You won't suffer all the time, your Afterlife will just be very drab and boring and you get to spend all eternity thinking about your mistakes. If you were a really great guy, you have a great Afterlife. There's always something to do, it's fairly nice, etc. I don't think you were born to life out an 80+ year life where you raise a family, work, strive to be your best, etc. Only to die and be placed 6 feet under ground where you rot. There HAS to be something after death.

That's my view.

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Hmm... Maybe God doesn't want you to blindly follow him. Maybe he wants you to sit there, think it hrough, and logically come to decide that he does exist. I'd like to comment that nobody is sent to hell. Hell was not prepared for humans. Period. (Matt. 25:41) If not for Satan, (I assume) your soul would simply be released from your body upon death, but you would never come to know God. And you'd never even have the chance to. People just don't get it. It's not the religion that caused it, it's the ignorant followers. Does Christianity teach to kill your enemies? Does Islam? Does Paganism? Does Buddhism? Does Hinduism? NO. Case closed.

Yes, and I think you're exactly right. That's the way it should be. It's just that I don't understand why he let me believe when my parents taught me, but once I started thinking about it for myself I decided on my own he doesn't exist...

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No one. He has always existed.

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You should go tell the catholics church that

And that is why people create religion. To comfort them that there is something better out there when they can't stand to face that in the end they become dirt. The thought of becoming nothing makes people uncomfortable. It's just so anti-climatic.

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I find it very hard to believe that anyone could have ever lived to over 800 years old, as most everyone seems to do in the Bible. And I bet someone is going to try and tell me that's symbolic of something, or "time" back then was different, or some bull****.
Yeah, no thanks.

I think it's all bull****, and I will always think it's bull****. Devoting my beliefs to bed-time stories and fairy tales just isn't really my thing.

And SAJN, why do you have to believe that someone created the planets? Now that's ignorance.
They didn't just appear. It was a process that happened over millions of years. The Earth wasn't always blue skies and rainbows. If you believe that, than I truely feel sorry for you.

And here's a lovely thought - None of the other planets are inhabitable. Why? We're only on this planet. Why? If God made all the planets, why did he just stick us on this one? Why did he even bother with the other ones? Why did he even bother creating all the other hundereds of other galaxies in the universe? Was he just bored?
What an utterly ridiculous idea.

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Yep.

I don't believe in God because of the Babel fish. The existence of the Babel fish is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-boggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance thatsome thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God.

God himself says: "I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

But, the Babel fish is a dead giveaway. It could not have evolved by chance. It proves God exists, and so therefor, by his own argument, he doesn't. QED.

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't though of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

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yea you can say the same thing for reality.

It doesn't matter what anyone has to say, we can't prove it right now, not even a bunch of adolesants, even though you think so.

God exist because you want him to, god doesn't exist because you do not want him to.

Therefore he exist in your mind either way.

GOD IS YOUR MIND MUAHAHA! CUT IT OUT AND RUN!


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---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.

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Bricks Create Things
God Creates Things

Bricks Destroy things
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Therefore

Bricks = God!

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---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.

Oh, I try. But you people entrench yourself and your lives so deeply in this crap that I can't function without making it clear that I'm an atheist. And when I make it clear that I'm an atheist, what do you think happens? You *******s try to convert me. Screw you. Did you even read the first post of the thread? He was asking US why we didn't believe.

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