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HAMAS won the palestinean parilmentary elections.
2006-01-26, 8:31 PM #1
http://forums.seriouszone.com/showthread.php?t=46764

Pardon linking to a forum, but I am too lazy to redo it.

Keep a bag packed if you are in the service, this is bound to get nasty.
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2006-01-26, 8:34 PM #2
I don't care about your Ham.
2006-01-26, 8:35 PM #3
i seriously doubt that the US will ever intervene using military force in Israel
2006-01-26, 8:35 PM #4
Yeah, it'll be interesting. At least they're claiming to want to maintain the cease fire.
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2006-01-26, 8:37 PM #5
they still will resist Israel... got to love democracy

maybe this is an example of how bringing democracy in the middle east wont magically solve the problems that the west has there
2006-01-26, 8:40 PM #6
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
they still will resist Israel... got to love democracy

My money's on Israel.
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2006-01-26, 8:45 PM #7
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
i seriously doubt that the US will ever intervene using military force in Israel


Probably true, but that isn't the point.

The entire middle east cannot seperate Iraq from Israel. They are the same issue to them, because they can't figure out why the US does one thing here, and another there. This will flare up the WHOLE middle east, even worse than now.
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2006-01-26, 9:04 PM #8
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
they still will resist Israel... got to love democracy

maybe this is an example of how bringing democracy in the middle east wont magically solve the problems that the west has there

Or an example of why to never make people evacuate their lands so another group can move in and take over the area according to some rather arbitrary book made a thousand-ish years ago.
D E A T H
2006-01-26, 9:07 PM #9
I'm really unsure as to why Israel doesn't unleash hell's fury upon the palestinians. They have no claim to the land they're fighting over, and are now intruding upon the generosity of Israel.

Neutron bomb I say.
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2006-01-26, 9:09 PM #10
Originally posted by Yecti:
Neutron bomb I say.

Or unleash a silver tower on their asses...
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2006-01-26, 9:16 PM #11
The Palestinians should leave Israel alone. It's for their own good.
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2006-01-26, 10:11 PM #12
Amen, Bill.
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2006-01-26, 10:29 PM #13
As an Israeli, I'm actually pleased that Hamas won the elections. It'll mean that international pressure will force their leaders to take a more rational approach to the situation with Israel, which in turn will mean that the militant factions in the Hamas will either be supressed or break off to form a new, even more radical terrorist group. Either way, the immense, well-organized, well-funded (by Iran and Syria) terrorist organization that is Hamas will finally fall apart, and the lack of a dominant terrorist group might just pave the way to a reform in Palestinian society.
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2006-01-26, 10:45 PM #14
Well eventually, perhaps.

Until I read this, I wouldn't have thought a terrorist group, even such a popular one, could have one a Palestinian election. Apparently I was wrong about the Palestinians.
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2006-01-26, 11:18 PM #15
Originally posted by Roach:
My money's on Israel.

I got a bill on Isreal too.
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2006-01-27, 2:13 AM #16
After Sharon's recent medical dramas, Isreal has elections coming up at the end of March. Hamas having political power in Palestine could push the Isrealis to vote for a more radical anti-Palestinian leader.

Interesting times ahead for the Middle East.
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2006-01-27, 4:26 AM #17
Fardreamer, what do you think the odds are on Netanyahu being elected? Isn't he the new leader of Likud? I can't claim to know all that much but he's one of the more right wing "I'll never give up any land" types, isn't he?
2006-01-27, 5:05 AM #18
If a terrorist group forms the next Palestinian goverment, I wonder what will happen to the international aid the Palestinians have been receiving. Nobody could really trust the money wouldn't now be redirected to weapons instead of food, houses, education and medicine. The aid should be frozen.
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2006-01-27, 5:14 AM #19
As far as I've heard at least the Germans want to do that. I'm sure they're not the only ones.
Sorry for the lousy German
2006-01-27, 5:42 AM #20
bla bla bla me cant debate stuff mee too stooopeed.
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2006-01-27, 6:00 AM #21
Originally posted by Ruthven:
You cannot expect the middle east to get better simply because the west invades a major country and forces THEIR culture and politics on the people. :rolleyes:

Their culture is vastly different to ours, religion controls everything, just like it did here a thousand years ago, even up until 400 years ago in this country (or in america the influence of Judiasm and Christianity is MUCH stronger) :confused:

Invading the Middle East was bad enough, forcing democracy upon a people who have never had it is probably even worse. :banned: You cant get your favourite west-arse-kissing lapdogs to always get in power when you want it, Hamas gaining power proves this (and discussing this with dad, he's mentioned examples of how Hamas arent THAT bad. I will have to ask him again)

Wow, thats the first time I have had an arguement in politics that DIDNT suck! :)

What does that have to do with Israel? We never invaded them and forced Democracy on them...
D E A T H
2006-01-27, 6:03 AM #22
damn! that rant was out context .... removing :(

(looks like it DID suck :( )
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2006-01-27, 6:03 AM #23
I guess you could argue that creating the state of Israel in the first place meant invading Palestine and then filling it with European Jews who brought democracy with them.
2006-01-27, 6:49 AM #24
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Or an example of why to never make people evacuate their lands so another group can move in and take over the area according to some rather arbitrary book made a thousand-ish years ago.[/QUOTE]

Quoted for truth.
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2006-01-27, 6:50 AM #25
Originally posted by Recusant:
Fardreamer, what do you think the odds are on Netanyahu being elected? Isn't he the new leader of Likud? I can't claim to know all that much but he's one of the more right wing "I'll never give up any land" types, isn't he?
Odds are close to zero. Nobody has forgotton Bibi's term as prime minister, he was just terrible. And his last term as finance minister made him very unpopular with the poorer working class, the bulk of who usually lean towards the covservative right. Also his reputation as a corrupt opportunist isn't helping his public image.

The main reason Likud won't be elected though is Sharon's party, the formation of which sucked out most moderate, respected politicans and left only extreme rightists in the party. Israeli politics isn't about ideology anymore, it's about individuals - and the individuals the public wants to see in power belong to Sharon's party.

Personally though I can't stand Ehud Olmert, he was my mayor for 10 years and I think he's a sleazebag. I'm probably going to vote for Labor.
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2006-01-27, 8:56 AM #26
I laughed by *** off when Hamas won the election. Sweet sweet irony. Seriously, though, if Hamas tries to use this position of power to **** with Israel, I'd have no problem with Israel taking them out.
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2006-01-27, 9:36 AM #27
Originally posted by lassev:
Nobody could really trust the money wouldn't now be redirected to weapons instead of food, houses, education and medicine. The aid should be frozen.


Although Hamas has a terrorist background, they supposedly aren't corrupt like Fatah and have supported education.
2006-01-27, 9:50 AM #28
They wouldn't need to be corrupt. Being corrupt means working against or disregarding one's organisation's agenda and values for personal profit. If it's the official agenda to fight against Israel by any means necessary (like traditional terrorists would do), then redirecting the money to weapons wouldn't be corruption at all, not by definition or by spirit.

However, I'm not saying they would do that. I'm just saying it might be hard for outsiders to trust they wouldn't do that in any extent.

And on the other hand, I wouldn't disregard corruption so easily. If the official policy of Hamas would adopt a principle of using the aid honorably, there would always be those who would think they didn't join Hamas for that purpose. And then they would become corrupt.
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2006-01-27, 9:52 AM #29
Originally posted by JDKNITE188:
Although Hamas has a terrorist background, they supposedly aren't corrupt like Fatah and have supported education.


This is true. I was about to say this.

Hamas isn't all about terrorism. That's just one LARGE aspect of its organization.

I'm thinking that Hamas will be forced to become more moderate, as someone else said above.

Here's a real link to a real story for anyone who's interested.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/01/27/news/pals.php
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2006-01-27, 10:00 AM #30
Hamas isn't all about terrorism. Hamas is all about fundamental Islam, with terrorism and hatred being it's primary instrument for unifying the public against an external enemy and thus making it easier to accept the strict interpretation of Islam they advocate (sound familiar? hint: check out the Iran thread). Yes, they have successfully supported eduction. Do you have any idea what *kind* of education?
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2006-01-27, 10:02 AM #31
Originally posted by Fardreamer:
Hamas isn't all about terrorism. Hamas is all about fundamental Islam, with terrorism and hatred being it's primary instrument for unifying the public against an external enemy and thus making it easier to accept the strict interpretation of Islam they advocate (sound familiar? hint: check out the Iran thread). Yes, they have successfully supported eduction. Do you have any idea what *kind* of education?


Does this have anything to do with sex? Cause this is a PG board.
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2006-01-27, 12:00 PM #32
Well, the US wants a democratic world so this seems to be on the right track.
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2006-01-27, 12:08 PM #33
Originally posted by Yecti:
I'm really unsure as to why Israel doesn't unleash hell's fury upon the palestinians. They have no claim to the land they're fighting over, and are now intruding upon the generosity of Israel.

Neutron bomb I say.



someone needs to research history a bit more

http://www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/timeline.htm may help a little bit
2006-01-27, 12:11 PM #34
The Jewish folk were there long before Islam even came around. Many millennium before.
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2006-01-27, 12:15 PM #35
millenia :p
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2006-01-27, 12:16 PM #36
Oops. Whatever. ;)
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2006-01-27, 12:29 PM #37
Originally posted by Avenger:
The Jewish folk were there long before Islam even came around. Many millennium before.



you're right, long before, then they were gone

just cause that were once there doesnt give them the right to return when they please
2006-01-27, 12:32 PM #38
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
you're right, long before, then they were gone

just cause that were once there doesnt give them the right to return when they please

It's true, that's why Indian Reservations are wonderful.
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2006-01-27, 12:41 PM #39
Originally posted by Roach:
It's true, that's why Indian Reservations are wonderful.



thats a completly different subject/situation
2006-01-27, 1:11 PM #40
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
you're right, long before, then they were gone

just cause that were once there doesnt give them the right to return when they please



They never left, they were just under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.

Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
thats a completly different subject/situation


Not really, when you consider that both were cases of forced relocation, military action against those who didn't/don't relocate, and being caste as second class citizens.
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