I said I wasn't going to include each game under the single franchise. You can assume I liked them all.

I've played both ICO and Jak. I didn't hate them, but I haven't had enough of a chance to fall in love with them.

I really think you'd like ICO, and Jak is EXTREMELY similar to Ratchet, while being it's own unique franchise. ICO is just a beautiful game though, and it shows. Man I hope it gets announced for PSP.

I think it's amazing how many more votes there are for Wii. Nintendo's gonna be making bank next year.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]I think it's amazing how many more votes there are for Wii. Nintendo's gonna be making bank next year.[/QUOTE]
This isn't exactly a varied opinion. Most people don't know **** about the Revolution. Hardcore gamers know a lot about the system, but all most people know is it won't have as good of graphics and the controller looks weird.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]
I could've sworn the PS3 used a next-gen graphics card, and that the 7800GTX was in fact a placeholder in the devkit. And I'm pretty sure the Cell is a bit more capable than your proc.[/QUOTE]

You're saying that hardware that will be released in about five months is better than what's available now? Fascinating.

It's a more varied opinion than you think. I don't know anything about the new consoles other than PS3 and XBox360 are practically the same things with better graphics. Wii just looks cool. And hell, I'd get it for Super Smash Brother alone.

The Cell has been out for quite some time now. About a year, actually, maybe a bit more.

The ii is supposed to look like two people "cooperating", huh?

I think W!i would have been better....

<.< >.>

[ Later in the conversation:

Nightwind wins in Wii ridicule.

I'm not into the whole revolutionary blah blah blah stuff. I just want my games, the way I've always played before. I'm not really looking for a whole new way to play my games, or waving my hands in the air with some remote.

The xbox 360, so far has proven that it has upped the graphics and many other parts.

Sony plans to one up everything xbox is doing, and with the extra amount of time they have to release it, I think they're graphics are going to be better too.

Yes, that means I'm a sucker for graphics. If the game has amazing visuals, and crappy gameplay, I'd still play it to watch the asplosions and stuff.

PS3 and xbox 360 just seem to be upping the parts that are important to me. I'm NOT into the whole out of the box, nobody has done what we just did, look at our special foo-foo mechanical stuff (aka the revolution).

Besides, I don't play games that often, and ps3 will have good movie playing abilities, and the blu ray, so yes, PS3 for me.

...That's just my 2 cents on this.

I haven't played many games recently, but the Wii is starting to make me interested, mainly for the price and the controller. You don't know how much fun I imagine myself having playing a Jedi Outcast type game and where I can actually swing my lightsaber (controller).

Also, I tend to shy away from purposefully buying a Sony or Microsoft product. I'm not a fan on the companies so I don't want to support them. *shrugs* your mileage may vary.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I could've sworn the PS3 used a next-gen graphics card, and that the 7800GTX was in fact a placeholder in the devkit.[/QUOTE]It's not next-gen, it's just heavily customized. NVIDIA's CEO has stated that the PS3's video processor is about as fast as two 6800 Ultras. It can transform 1.1 billion vertices per second, which puts it on par with the 7800 GTX. We'll probably see minor performance boosts but I'm going to say it's slower than the 7900 GTX.

No it's not. Maybe it's more capable than yours.

The Cell is only designed for in-order execution. My Windows machine is running 457 threads right now. 457 threads would make the PS3 have a stroke and die.

The CPU in the PS3 is also very, very good at single-precision floating point arithmetic. This is great for encoding, video processing or rendering. For instance: You could load up a SPE with a 8x8 kernel gaussian blur filter and then blur video in realtime.
Of course this is why I have a video card, which - itself - is a dedicated and massively-parallelized vector processor.

The only part of the Cell which is even remotely comparable to my processor is the single 3.2 GHz Power Processing Element. A 3.2 GHz stripped-down PowerPC processor. Yay.

I'll keep my Athlon 64 thanks. Cell is definitely an interesting architecture and I can see it having serious applications for appliances, rendering farms and even supercomputers, but it's not something you'd ever want in a desktop computer.

Which and the what?

I know IBM is working on a compiler to automatically generate code for the Cell. I'm not sure how an IDE fits into this situation for starters. Secondly, I wasn't aware it had been finished.

theres no option for none of the above...

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Soul Calibur 2--Ever play 3?[/QUOTE]

Tangent - Soul Calibur 3 was no where near as enjoyable as the second.

And Kirb - did thee ever play Burnout 3? [Revenge wasn't quite so good.]

the wii is getting me excited now it looks so awesome.

oh kirby, you may not like sports games, neither do I, but i bought my PS2 second hand from a friend and it came with Virtua Tennis 2, i advise you check that game out, so much fun.

Ah, my bad.


But won't this be perfect for gaming on the Cell? And it helps make up for the somewhat lacking GPU.


Apparently it is done because I watched a preview of Warhawk and they stated all the multithreading was handled by the compiler.

I'll get the Wii at launch, and the 360 once it gets some games I want (like Halo 3) and the price drops.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]But won't this be perfect for gaming on the Cell? And it helps make up for the somewhat lacking GPU.[/QUOTE]Sometimes.

A desktop computer processor performs out-of-order execution. That is, at the start of the pipeline is special hardware designed to determine operations that can be batched together into a single cycle. At the end of the pipeline the processor determines the proper output order and if the output is valid.
This requires a great deal of extra transistors, more die space and leads to increased heat and power consumption. The processors end up costing more to manufacture and much more complex to design.

The Cell's PPE is a single simplified PowerPC processor with the out-of-order execution parts taken out of it. This is the only part of the processor that's comparable to a desktop computer's processor. The SPEs are closer in concept to the vertex shaders on a video card. The main benefit of the Cell is that you can get the performance of a much more expensive processor in an inexpensive, embeddable, modular and customizable package.

By the time the PS3 comes out we'll either see decent support for physics accelerators or we'll see expanded use of video cards for the same purpose. Like I said, though: Video cards (and physics accelerators) are parallel clusters of vector processors. Right now games are limited by the speed of the video card, anyway, so the point is moot.

Interesting.

I'll find that video for you when I get home. Probably not something IBM wanted to be let known yet.

Thanks for the insight on the Cell though.

Just a quick question, i don't want to get too involved in this debate, it seems to have slightly made it out of fanboy-bashing, hopeuflly it'll stay that way. but back to my question, if all you care about is your same games again, why even upgrade? why shell out $600 for a machine that is only going to play the same games, prettier? (note: this isn't about the console, only on Final Hope's opinion)

For about 20 minutes. Then I got bored.