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The Greatest President of All Time
2006-06-19, 9:33 AM #121
Originally posted by genk:
Because it was stuck in his speech, in the book he wrote it in.

<3 TR


Well, the copy of the speech he had in his pocket did slow the bullet down, probably saving his life, but it still entered his chest.
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2006-06-19, 9:42 AM #122
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
it wasn't that simple, economics isn't that simple


Not entirely that simple, no (although economics can be just that simple at times), but the war was the major determining factor in the economic turnaround, while the effect of Roosevelt's policies was mostly indifferent.
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2006-06-19, 9:56 AM #123
Which Roosevelt was fully aware of and would have taken advantage of a lot sooner if not for the American public.
Pissed Off?
2006-06-19, 9:57 AM #124
This is true.
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2006-06-19, 10:03 AM #125
I think the worst of everything he did was to start defecit spending.
Pissed Off?
2006-06-19, 11:03 AM #126
Reagan.
2006-06-19, 11:25 AM #127
lol...Reagan :P

I'd say Harry S. Truman.
2006-06-19, 11:48 AM #128
Yeah, truman was an excellent president.. I'm gonna say he's number 2.

Hairy-*** truman. :P
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2006-06-19, 11:50 AM #129
blowjob billy
2006-06-19, 12:21 PM #130
lawl
2006-06-26, 7:35 PM #131
Yeah, it's a bit dead, but this is still an important realization:
My new favorite is George Washington

-... Language warning.
2006-06-26, 8:33 PM #132
[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Ulysses! Yay for drunk presidents! I pick him only cause he was a damn good general, not cause of his presidency. :D[/QUOTE]

Grant was awesome. Plus, those were the days you could just saddle up, head over to Washington, and knock one back with the President in a hotel lobby. And it wasn't that hard to burst into the President's office, either.

Eisenhower, too, seems awesome. And Pierce. I think I have a trend of supporting "Military Imperial" America presidents... Manifest Destiny, anyone? Try pitching that to the American people today. :psyduck:
Cordially,
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2006-06-26, 8:34 PM #133
I hate every last one of them.
2006-06-26, 8:35 PM #134
Rob, I hereby declare you PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.

The FBI will show up at your house shortly to investigate your subversiveness.
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
1473 for '1337' posts.
2006-06-26, 8:44 PM #135
Clinton. Barring Clinton, I'd say either Jefferson or TR. Clinton really helped our nation--9% unemployment ftw.
D E A T H
2006-06-26, 8:46 PM #136
Well, I am born on Grant's birthday.
2006-06-26, 10:30 PM #137
Originally posted by Lord_Grismath:
Rob, I hereby declare you PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.

The FBI will show up at your house shortly to investigate your subversiveness.



PFFFT.

I work with a homeland security agent.

He's an even bigger nihilist then I am.
2006-06-27, 5:48 AM #138
[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Ulysses! Yay for drunk presidents! I pick him only cause he was a damn good general, not cause of his presidency. :D[/QUOTE]

If not giving a damn about how many soldiers you lose makes you a good general, then Grant is the King.

Otherwise, he almost always got the hell beat out of him on the battlefield. He could come up with good genera plan, but that's about it.
2006-06-27, 5:49 AM #139
This one!

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2006-06-27, 5:50 AM #140
*smacks forehead*
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2006-06-27, 6:15 AM #141
Ronald Wilson Reagan. Hands down.
2006-06-27, 8:04 AM #142
Originally posted by Freelancer:
And the hell socialism doesn't work. :rolleyes: Plenty of countries are socialist including many modern ones.


Or not. There aren't any Socialist countries today. The remaining "communist" countries in truth are not and never were Communist countries either. I honestly have no idea why you would think that way.

Socialism and Marxism are bankrupt ideas, and history has proved it many times before.
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2006-06-27, 8:09 AM #143
You're just a greedy Imperialist OMG :v:
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2006-06-27, 8:12 AM #144
No, there just really aren't any socialist countries in the modern world, and I'd even go as far as to say that a truely socialist country never existed.
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2006-06-27, 8:13 AM #145
You're just abusing the underclasses lawl :v:
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2006-06-27, 8:26 AM #146
nobody here seems to appriciate the greatness that was richard nixon.
2006-06-27, 10:00 AM #147
Originally posted by FastGamerr:
This one!

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Is that the finish flag? You silly burger people :(
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2006-06-27, 5:47 PM #148
Originally posted by CaptBevvil:
"[...]the popular story that Jackson defied the Supreme Court in carrying out Indian Removal is untrue."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

As for his overall reasons for the land offers our west to remove the Indians from the East, was a matter of National Security. He also did a lot of other things where, in the short term, the positive effects were not seen and, unfortunately, other Presidents ended up with unduely credit from the results of events that Jackson initiated.


This is why I hate wikipedia sometimes .. that statement is as misleading as the misconception the article claims

what happened:
- marshall decides in worcester v georgia that georgia law violated treaty w/ cherokees
- Georgia ignores marshall court order
- Jackson refuses to enforce it
- Georgia starts using militia to take land and get rid of cherokee resistance
- Jackson proclaims states' rights and supports georgia

so .. jackson pretty much did "defy" the Sp. Ct.
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2006-06-27, 6:06 PM #149
To note: Wikipedia.org is an onlie encyclopedia that is a contributed source, meaning any dumb*** can claim they are an expert and put something up.
2006-06-27, 8:19 PM #150
Originally posted by UltimatePotato:
No, there just really aren't any socialist countries in the modern world, and I'd even go as far as to say that a truely socialist country never existed.


ur wrong lawl
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2006-06-27, 8:23 PM #151
Originally posted by Freelancer:
ur wrong lawl


Name one, lawl :v:
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2006-06-27, 9:28 PM #152
In two pages of discussion Van Buren hasen't come up once. Why?
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2006-06-27, 9:43 PM #153
Originally posted by Jarl:
Yeah, it's a bit dead, but this is still an important realization:
My new favorite is George Washington

-... Language warning.

Since only two people clicked the link (One's me, and the other's not you), I will quote this video to explain why GW's so boss.

-"He had a pocket full of horses, ****ed the **** out of bears, threw a knife into heaven and could kill with a stare. He made love like an eagle falling out of the sky, killed his sensei in a duel and he never said why. Washington, Washington. Twelve stories high, made of radiation. The present beware. The future beware. He's coming, he's coming, he's coming.
2006-06-28, 4:32 AM #154
Originally posted by Freelancer:
ur wrong lawl


Like potato said, name one.
2006-06-28, 5:15 AM #155
Cuba
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2006-06-28, 5:49 AM #156
First off, communism and socialism are not the same thing.

Second, why talk about 'socialist countries'? That makes it sound like the outdated concept of socialism as it is used in a highschool history book.

Even though most countries nowadays are capitalist, lots of countries have left wing governments. And I don't even mean extreme examples, like Cuba. That's simply a left wing dictatorship more than anything else. Basically any left wing party has socialist ideals, and most countries have socialist governments from time to time.

You speak about socialism in the historical perspective, as some kind of alternative to capitalism. But in the modern day, socialism is just a moderate form of capitalism, and socialist governments generally try to distribute wealth more evenly.

So socialism is all over Europe for example, and actually all over the world. You can basically name any country that has a socialist government right now.
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2006-06-28, 5:53 AM #157
Originally posted by Echoman:
Cuba


Like ORJ_JoS said, communism and socialism are not the same.

But still, ORJ_JoS, there is no truely socialist government.
2006-06-28, 6:00 AM #158
[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]But still, ORJ_JoS, there is no truely socialist government.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. What do you mean with 'truly'?

For example, in the Netherlands, things are looking like we are going to have a socialist government next year, because the socialists are likely to win the elections right now.
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2006-06-28, 9:32 AM #159
The basic tenant of socialism is first to abolish all private property.
If the Netherlands will allow people to own their homes, they simply cannot be socialist. That would be like someone who doesn't believe in Jesus saying that they are a Christian. It just doesn't work that way.


Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
But in the modern day, socialism is just a moderate form of capitalism, and socialist governments generally try to distribute wealth more evenly.


Or not. In the modern day, governments that have a mixed economy (such as the UK) practice "interventionism". It's also called a mixed economy for a reason. A European country that taxes you heavily to pay for lousy health care simply is not socialist.

Even in business classes, the first things you learn are the differences between Socialism and Capitalism, why pure Socialism doesn't work, and why pure Capitalism exploits the poor and old. By your definition, any government that tries to help the poor, old, and sick are socialists. :rolleyes:
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2006-06-28, 10:37 AM #160
I was always under the assumption that capitalism is purely market based and that communism was completely based on equal sharing of resources regardless of contribution and that socialism was between them. Making all countries soclialist. On some sort of scale where 0 is communism and 10 is captalism european countries would be around a 6 or a 7, the US would be a 9, certain asian countries a 4 and so on and so forth. I probably have this completely wrong.
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