i don't see the big deal about sex before marriage.

if you get married to someone, finally have sex, and then marriage turns rocky, whats the point? congratulations, you waited to have sex with someone that ended up being different than you perceived em as... while here i am having no problems having sex wit women i feel a bond wit.

you may say that you're goin to wait for the PERFECT person to get married to, but nobody can tell the future. your husband/wife could be the next national headline serial killer unbeknowest to you.

i think people should stop puttin the pussy on a pedestle and relax... its just sex, a perfectly natural way of two lovers to show affection for each other.

im sure a LOT of people who profess abstinence partake in maturbatory activities, (which is a sin in itself,) so why treat sex like its some all important thing when you're sittin their jackin off?

remember we only live once... yall should go out and have fun!

(this post was going to be put in the "Gay?" thread but it got closed so ill put it here)

Masturbation is never even mentioned in the bible. YOU FAIL.

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And Gold, yes it is. Shut the **** up and think before you talk next time. Kthnxbye.

Well, you know it better, DON'T YOU?

Wtf. Lust = sin. Masturbation requires lust, unless you get off on gaming graphics like Ruthven...but that's something else in and of itself.

If people don't want to have sex before marriage, fine with me.

It's just.. not something I value.

I believe in try it before you buy it.

yeah, in case it doesn't fit. Because there's no returning or warranty.

Here's the thing with posts like this: You don't really want to hear a reason different from your own. You already believe in what you do, and anything someone else says (no matter how right/wrong/plausible it may be) you will not accept because you already have your beliefs somewhere else.

(I'm not oing to put my personal beliefs in here, these are just examples to show why this will stem into an argument)
Examples
religion:
I can go and say "God said it's wrong" and you'll counter with something like "the bible says a lot of things that we don't believe anymore, such as 'X' and 'Y'"

personal belief:
I can say "I want my wife to be the one and only person I ever have sex with" and you'll counter with "if your going to marry her, it's okay to have sex anyway"

emotional:
I can say "when people have sex, it opens up an intimate relationship between the two, if it's done carelessly there are mental problems that can happen (depression, for example). You'll counter with "It's just sex, it's not emotional or intimate, it's just sexual release."

medical:
I can say "when a woman is fertilized by any man for the first time, her body fights the semen because it's a foreign object until it gets used to that mans semen. Having different partners makes her immune system work much harder and can lead to health problems" and you'll say that's what condoms and pulling out are for.

statistics: (DO NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE 100% CORRECT, I AM GOING BY MEMORY)
A lot of statistics claim that people who only have sex with one person (mainly their spouse) live healthier, longer, and happier lives. You'll give the excuse "you only live once, live it up"

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT REFLECT MY OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT.

It seems to me that the prohibition against premarital sex is passed down to us from a time when it might have been dangerous to society.

If you think about it, most moral commandments are simply good laws that any functioning society needs: don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, etc. In an age when birth control didn't exist, and mortality rates for both mother and child were extremely high during childbirth, having indescriminate sex was legitimately a threat to other members of society. Restricting that behavior to within a marriage places it in a context that limits the risk to a single woman, with the bonus that there will be a male there to take care of woman and child if things do work out.

Nowadays it's a little outdated.

Why is this even a topic of discussion.

Anyone who would claim sex before marriage is wrong is mentally unstable.

Eh, to each his own, I really don't care. I have a friend who plans on havin gher first kiss at the altar and I have friend who have already had multiple partners. Whatever rubs your buddah.

Just my opinion on the matter (mostly from a psychological standpoint):

Very closely close to the physical act of sex is the emotional attachment that usually accompanies the act of sexual intercourse (at least in mentally health individuals). That emotional attachment is never initially as strong as with a person’s first sex partner. This is not to say that an attachment of similar or a even deeper level cannot be developed with a later sex partner, but the initial bond will always be weaker.

Pre-marital sex itself is not that much of an issue to me; however, the deprecation of sex itself and the emotional attachments formed as a result of sexual intercourse are. If Pre-marital sex becomes normal and acceptable, people will be far more inclined to succumb to sexual pressures, such as peer pressure and natural urges. Once people stop viewing sexual relationships as being something “emotionally significant” then they will likely begin to have sex with people they would not normally want to share emotional ties with, and in time the entire emotional aspect of sex will become less important, if not entirely voided. And THAT is something that I do not want to see.

Moral of the story: Pre-marital sex is not necessarily a bad thing; however caution must be taken to ensure that sex, especially persons first time, are given due respect as the emotional events they are.

Since marriage doesn't matter to me, neither does this matter.

The word masturbation is no where in the bible last time I checked, and that is what I specificaly referred to. I believe the bible gives you principles and God's strict universal point of view on some matters, which aren't exactly specified in the ten commandments. How ever I'm giving up on trying to hold a forum religious disccussion when no one even tries to consider what I say but instead looks for the quickest comeback or flame. I believe its easier to fall than to get up.

I'd like everyone to ask themselves these questions.
Why do you have sex?
What is the purpose of sex?
If this is the only life there ever will be, is there a point to living it if you will eventually die and you will cease to exist?

I'm sure the words "***" and "butt sex" aren't in the bible either, but people sure seem to think their interpretations of the bible apply to them. Same with masturbation.

Gold. Masturbation is a deeper form of lust. You cannot masturbate without lusting (If you say you can, you're full of it. I've tried.).

I believe that masturbation is a dirty habbit, and how can some one be pure and clean and practice such habbit? I really think you all misunderstand me, and I wish I could meet you all some day and perhaps clear these general misunderstandings. Now its kind of late and I have some things to do tomorrow (planning on trying to start a buisness ) and now I must go to bed. Thank you all, good night, good fight.

But how is that, in itself, dirty? I mean, you yourself can consider it dirty to you, but to assume that doing it makes whoever does it unclean? That's stupid. I think Christianity is pure stupidity, but I still believe everyone in america should be able to vote.

Maybe you're just not good enough to do it, Zloc.

What if it turns out she's a man

Perhaps you're right.

I would think that having unsurpassed skills at masturbation would be a somewhat dubious honor

Kirby, get with the times. Western ideology says that sex = bad. Masturbation is a sex act, therefore it is bad.

Violence is just dandy though!

/me punches Vinny

Unless it's in video-games

Exactly Thrawn! You've got it!

Everybody here gets a high-five.










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I'm going to disagree with that (and I already know I am making a mistake by doing so).

Not all masturbation is lust. Wanking off to the latest nude-photos of Jessica Alba, or the centerfold in this months playboy, or even to some image off of 4chan (if that’s your thing) can all be safely categorized as Lustful acts.

On the other hand you fail to account for basic sexual discovery and even the fundamental need people have to get aroused once in a while, even (and often especially) if they have no partner. This is a basic and biological function that everyone experiences. In those cases masturbation is no more lustful that itching an itch.

[QUOTE=West Wind]On the other hand you fail to account for basic sexual discovery and even the fundamental need people have to get aroused once in a while, even (and often especially) if they have no partner. This is a basic and biological function that everyone experiences. In those cases masturbation is no more lustful that itching an itch.[/QUOTE]
Or like soldiers in the first Gulf War: Killing time.

Do you really want to say that something is okay because Marines do it?

Did I?


I'm just mentioning an example that's fairly commonly known to show that masturbation isn't always lust. I hate masturbation myself, simply because it makes me feel messy. Plus, I have a girlfriend, so yeah. :|

I can't believe this is even an issue.

Oh and masturbation = lust = sin? WTF!

Masturbating is a perfectly normal way for people to get to know the sexual aspect of their bodies. Get out of the middle ages already.

Sex after marriage would be nice.

How is your belief in this any different than someone else's belief that masturbation is wrong?

everyone should have sex with me before, during, and after marriage and death

In that mine is based upon simple logic instead of some thousands of years old bunch of guidelines that was made up by tribesmen not very different from the modern day Taliban.

Good day to you sir.

Where is the logic in simply stating 'There's nothing wrong with it'?

Masturbation is perfectly natural, a wide variety of animals enjoy some form of self-pleasure.

Flying solo is an instinct, religion is a belief.

So you're going to argue that because animals do it, it's okay?

So you're going to argue that because animals do something, it's okay?

Who was saying that we sometimes have an instinct to kill? Who's to say that all instinct is okay? Is it logical to assume that everything we do naturally is okay?