http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/01/cosby.comments.ap/index.html

Interesting article? What do you think?

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It's one of those points that doesn't get made often enough in the public eye. Maybe people will take it seriously coming from a "P.O.C." =/

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I'd love to comment but there are almost NO black people living in my town. I mean, we're not racist, why don't black people come here??

[edit] Now why can't Em Playa be unbanned just for this thread?

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[This message has been edited by MaD CoW (edited July 01, 2004).]

Most of what he said seems reasonable to me.

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More power to him.

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He's damn right. In order to succeed in the world you have to be taken and take yourself seriously. It's impossible to succeed without a good grasp of grammar, and etiquette. I personally have a hard time relating to anybody who speaks Ebonics. All of my black friends speak stellar English. Funny how they're also all either attending and succeeding in a university, or are already graduates.

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I've seen shows on TV where some black people get berated by others for being "too white" when they speak proper English

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He's right, and I'm glad someone has the guts to say these things.

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It's because they think that it's their culture. That being inferior is their culture. The problem lies in the fact that they don't realize that their predecessors were all very well educated. The people who worked so hard durring the civil rights movements didn't speak as blacks do today. It's attrocious. All the equality that they worked for and achieved is wasted because in all actuality young blacks often want to separate and distinguish themselves from whites.

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Hell, there's a black teacher at my school whom I love, I think he's awesome, but most of the students hate him because he's "too white." :/

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I think the idealogues such as Sharpton and Jackson don't help out matters either. They go around screaming and demanding for "better tolerance" and more and more and more and more and more and more and more money from the federal government yet not a word is said about the 60% of 4th grade black children who cannot read!

Someone on my track team flat out called me a racist in front of other teammates just because I support President Bush. It made no logical sense whatsoever because my track coach (Wes Williams) is someone whom for I have GREAT respect. We all love the guy. Oh yeah, he's black. I wasn't too happy that track practice.

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Its about kak-damned time. I just hope this doesnt adversely affect Bill's reputation...

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About time someone stood up and said that stuff. I've been thinking the same stuff for years now myself, and I am willing to bet I am not the only person on this site who has had those thoughts either. Difference is if we say it, no one would really listen.

Yeah, the race card being pulled is horribly over used these days. I had a coworker accuse me of being racist just because I said I could not stand rap music. I also can't stand country music, and I'm a native Texan. I guess I hate white people as well, huh?

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I can't think of anything to put here right now.

no. you just hate inbreeding. *rimshot*

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Ba ZING!

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"This thread is still alive? Someone should kill it."

Bill Cosby > All of you

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[This message has been edited by Emon (edited July 01, 2004).]

Cosby pwns! This is what the poor black community needs. "A little shove in the rear" as Patton would say, to get them going. If anything is going to help these people out of the slums its him. He's black so he can't be called racist either. Bill really owns!

yeah, harsh.. but it needed to be said. There's only so much that can be said for racial discrimination. At some point, the minority communities need to step up and start acting like equals and then it will be easier for us to treat them as such. I seriously think it's past time for us to have a black (or asian/hispanic/etc) president.

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What I wonder though is how much of it fell on deaf ears. Seriously, do you think alot of the people he was targeting even heard it? If it was discussed all over the news, maybe. But for the most part, I am afraid it just went over the heads of who he was targeting. Not because they don't care, but rather because they can't see it.

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Ebonics is technically a dialect of english. It's vastly simplified and is an attempt to bring consistancy and simplicity to an otherwise chaoticlly inconsistant language. Furthermore, it has gramatical rules like any other dialect of english. people make the mistake of adding a "be" in front of a verb while trying to speak ebonics, but this practice is wrong.

Example:

Wrong usage (that be good.)

Correct usage (That good)

Besides, who decides what form of english is "correct?" Furthermore, why should we care what they say? what are they going to do about it if no one listens to them?

Think about it.



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... What? No the **** it isn't - nobody "attempted" to create Ebonics anymore than somebody tried to create English..

Yes, you are correct in every sense of the word. Unfortunately for you, the punk kids who use thier poorly formed derivative of ebonics are neither literate or intelligent enough to legitimize these claims. I've seen many forms of "ebonics" spoken but the only version that is consistent and understandable can be gleaned from the older generation, who use the nationally recognized version of ebonics which carries many rules about structure and syntax.

Also Cosby is right. BET is raising a generation of young drunk pimps, as opposed to a nation of strong black men. (Which I gratuitiously stole from Slugworth's quit message which is probably from some source I've not come across.)

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I agree with everything he's said thus far and salute him for saying it. He's taking flak from the black community, but that's the typical reaction these days.

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He's pretty much spot on with everything he said.

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I bet you think that's funny, don't you.

Ebonics does have seperate, written rules from regular english. Some people in South Carolina were trying to get it taught seperately in schools.

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Cosby's a wise man. He's also probably one of the few people who can actually say something like this and not end up in court. He's not sugar-coating anything, he really let some people have it. Does the NAACP have a comment on Cosby yet?

Ironically, if anyone else said that, they'd be mauled by the media for being racist.

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More acurately: if a white person said that, they'd be called racist.

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I bet you think that's funny, don't you.

It's doesn't matter if ebonics is "technically a dialect of english". That doesn't make it legitimate in the slightest.

Why do you think actors typically learn to speak with a midwest accent, even if they hail from other parts of the country?

There are different dialects of english and accents too, but certain ones will take you farther in life than others, regardless of whether or not you think they are legitimate. Personally, I do not think it's a shame at all.

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You see, the kids these days listen to the rap music, with their hippin and hopping, and their bippin and a boppin, and they don't know what the JAZZ, is all ABOUT!

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Well...as an actual African American, I love Bill Cosby to death. Everything he said is correct, and yea it needed to be said.

Brian: I would be one of those black kids that got it in high school from the other black kids cause I can speak proper english.

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black president when the right man comes along.

And to the people defending ebonics, you need to realize how ridiculous you sound. Ebonics is not some kind of alternative english that people choose to speak. It comes from being completely uneducated, and not knowing proper grammar. Alternatively, they speak like that because they think it's cool.

As for Cosby's comments, I agree 100% and it's nice to see a black man saying this because a white man could never get away with such scathing (yet dead right) comments. Maybe people will actually listen and realize that crime is not the black people's culture like they seem to think it is.

Bill Cosby's right, alot of kids need to stop saying "the darndest things" and start speaking correct English.

All we need now is for someone to speak out against "1337" speak. That would make the world a much better place

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