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Bill Cosby
2004-07-04, 6:03 AM #81
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I saw nothing on that site approving nor disproving the scaling of standardized tests to fit race. I'd like to see hard evidence that it doesn't, because I've heard from professors and teachers alike that this is a common practice.</font>


The notable lack of any mention of race as a scoring criterion should have clued you in.

Read carefully: There is a standardized, widely publicized method for determing one's raw score. A conversion table which maps that raw score to a scaled score can be purchased for each test session.

A raw score is based solely on test performance. A scaled score is based solely on the raw score. Consequently, a scaled score is based solely on test performance. This is not a difficult concept.
2004-07-04, 6:25 AM #82
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Argath:
The notable lack of any mention of race as a scoring criterion should have clued you in.

Read carefully: There is a standardized, widely publicized method for determing one's raw score. A conversion table which maps that raw score to a scaled score can be purchased for each test session.

A raw score is based solely on test performance. A scaled score is based solely on the raw score. Consequently, a scaled score is based solely on test performance. This is not a difficult concept.
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Now you're just reaching. I said nothing proves, nor disproves, the fact(or theory) that standardized tests are edited somewhat by race

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2004-07-04, 7:48 AM #83
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Now you're just reaching. I said nothing proves, nor disproves, the fact(or theory) that standardized tests are edited somewhat by race</font>


...what? The 'theory' is plainly disproven by the fact that you can compute your own score.
2004-07-04, 9:27 AM #84
There were several recentish studies we discussed in my soc101/2 courses about that actually.

They basically consisted of a goodly group of university students applying to various universities, they would do so several times with changing their name/nationality listed, leaving all the other information and statistics exactly the same, and found that it /significantly/ affected their likelihood to get into the various universities, usually notedly more likely when they applied as non-caucasian.

I wish i could remember the actual names of those studies, perhaps i will try to see if i can look them up in my soc texts today.

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2004-07-04, 9:41 AM #85
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
I seriously think it's past time for us to have a black (or asian/hispanic/etc) president.</font>


Technically, we already have:
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African-American Presidents
Note: Several presidents were allegedly of mixed European and African ancestry, which by U.S. reckoning would designate them as African-American. See The Five Negro Presidents by J.A. Rogers and Six Black Presidents: Black Blood, White Masks by Auset Bakhufu. [*]Thomas Jefferson[*]Andrew Jackson[*]Abraham Lincoln[*]Warren Harding[*]Dwight Eisenhower </font>


http://www.heptune.com/preslist.html

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2004-07-04, 9:44 AM #86
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gandalf1120:
I think the idealogues such as Sharpton and Jackson don't help out matters either. They go around screaming and demanding for "better tolerance" and more and more and more and more and more and more and more money from the federal government yet not a word is said about the 60% of 4th grade black children who cannot read!

Someone on my track team flat out called me a racist in front of other teammates just because I support President Bush. It made no logical sense whatsoever because my track coach (Wes Williams) is someone whom for I have GREAT respect. We all love the guy. Oh yeah, he's black. I wasn't too happy that track practice.

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Is your track coach about 21/22 years old?


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2004-07-04, 9:44 AM #87
Thank you Dormouse, I just didn't have the time to rebuttal. But why am I not surprised by the list of presidents that are quasi-african american. Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson...heh.

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2004-07-04, 9:57 AM #88
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by st_thomas:
there are the west indies where the speech on practically each island is more or less a modern form of english used by the slaves

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It's all about consensus. I went out with a girl whose cousin was from Jamaica. In Jamaica, the cousin was perfectly understood, since her patois is commonly spoken. Here, in the US, however, a lot of people found her impossible to understand, myself included. It works both ways, too. She had trouble determining my supposedly "proper" English with my Mid-Atlantic drone.

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2004-07-04, 10:05 AM #89
Martin Luther's dream... the Reformation?

or did you mean MLK's dream? Oh, ok. I guess it's kind of like the English v. Ebonics argument where I kind of understood what you were saying, but I could still be easily confused.

I really dont know what to think about Bill Cosby's statements. Where I live there is a small minority of affluent Blacks while there is still a large 'ghetto population' but mostly the kids grow up to be affluent like their parents because they know the difference between the real world and just being kids. It's like punk kids, they eventually grow up and realize that huge ****in spikes in their hair and piercings all over their eye lids just doesnt cut-it to get jobs. Now the ones that never surrender their style and are content in their jobs, I salute them.

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2004-07-04, 10:26 AM #90
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Thank you Dormouse, I just didn't have the time to rebuttal.</font>


Good Lord, you're dense. He discussed racial bias in college admissions, not in SAT scoring. SAT scores are not affected by race.
2004-07-04, 10:59 AM #91
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dormouse:

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African-American Presidents
Note: Several presidents were allegedly of mixed European and African ancestry, which by U.S. reckoning would designate them as African-American. See The Five Negro Presidents by J.A. Rogers and Six Black Presidents: Black Blood, White Masks by Auset Bakhufu.
Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
Warren Harding
Dwight Eisenhower

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Ha if everyone thought like that we wouldnt have to worry bout crap bout who's white and who's black and what ethnicity is he/she. Everyone would be as those presidents were. They have the blood of a different race and so at heart they are part of it (in other words we'd just be people). Oh well not too many will think like that though for some time.

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2004-07-04, 1:38 PM #92
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Argath:
Good Lord, you're dense. He discussed racial bias in college admissions, not in SAT scoring. SAT scores are not affected by race.</font>


What's the point in taking SATs if you're not going to college? The whole point of me saying anything was that colleges admit based on race and not on performance.

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2004-07-04, 1:55 PM #93
not always yoshi

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2004-07-04, 3:27 PM #94
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by YesSir:
not always yoshi

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Enough times for it to matter.

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