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Spider-Man 2
2004-07-02, 3:21 PM #41
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by THRAWN:

This is where it should of strayed from the comic a little bit. Ya see, in the comics, when Harry found out, he was doing alot of heavy drugs (Acid and popping pills), so it warped his brain and he couldn't tell right from wrong. In the movie, other than the vengence, he seemed pretty sane and rational. So when he found the gear, he should stop and go "Wait a minute, my dad was a killer...". It never hinted the guy was insane, but I guess he is just plain dumb.

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I thought the vision of his father in the mirror made it pretty clear he was diverging into insanity. Anyone else notice he had a green bowtie in the wedding scene.


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2004-07-02, 3:48 PM #42
Who the hell is Bruce Campbell, and who did he play in this one?
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2004-07-02, 4:00 PM #43
http://www.bruce-campbell.com

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2004-07-02, 4:08 PM #44
Are you guys...serious.
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2004-07-02, 4:18 PM #45
It had Ashy Larry!

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2004-07-02, 6:38 PM #46
Oka, thanks for the site, but I just can't remember him at all! And I saw the movie 4 hours ago... wtf. What scene did he supposedly pwn Spidey in?
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2004-07-02, 7:24 PM #47
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bounty Hunter 4 hire:
...And, was that guy on the train that said, "he doesn't look much older than my son," or something, Todd McFarlane?

He looked a bit diferent, older, and Todd kinda left marvel on bad terms, but I was looking for him since he had such an impact on the series.
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No, it wasn't Todd McFarlane. So speaks the IMDB.

Who here saw Stan Lee?

Zell, he was the usher guy in the theatre scene. When he was late to Mary Jane's play, the guy who Spidey got in the argument with outside, who kept telling him he couldn't get in. Yeah, the usher.

Plasma Man, no actually I didn't see the green tie. Good job pointing it out. And yeah, the vision of his father is proof he was slipping. I think it should of been played differently though...
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2004-07-02, 7:36 PM #48
i saw him pull the lady back in the street when a peice of the clock arm fell.

[edit]and the guy in the elevator.. he's a comedian.. im pretty sure[/edit]

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2004-07-02, 7:37 PM #49
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zell:
Oka, thanks for the site, but I just can't remember him at all! And I saw the movie 4 hours ago... wtf. What scene did he supposedly pwn Spidey in?</font>


Bruce Campbell did the voice of the tutorial guy in the first video game. He also did the tutorial voice in the second game.

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2004-07-02, 7:38 PM #50
...yeah he was, jin. he was the wrestling announcer in the first one, and the bouncer at the theater in the 2nd one.

[edit]hah... yeah edit your post! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif][/edit]

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2004-07-02, 7:40 PM #51
What the devil are you talking about Cazor? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Yeah, I hadn't read all the replies on the second page before I posted, and I didn't realize it was him when I saw the movie.

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2004-07-02, 8:27 PM #52
I finally saw Bubba Ho-Tep. Bruce Campbell is great. Still havent seen Spiderman 2 BUT it's NOT pumpkin goblin foo!

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2004-07-02, 8:31 PM #53
And is it just me or is X-Men 1 better than X-Men 2? Why even compare X2 to S-M2? Totally different.

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2004-07-02, 9:17 PM #54
X-Men 1 is no where close to as cool as X2. Gotta love the entrances "This is Scott Summers, aka Cyclops who has less lines than fingers on my hands, and Oro Monroe, aka Storm. She'll have an oscar by the time the sequel comes out, despite the fact that her acting for both movies could be done better by a cardboard cut out. The only people who can pull off a performance here is myself, Magneto, and...well that's about it."

Or when Rouge meets Logan.

Rouge
"What's your name?"

Wolverine
"Logan, and you?"

Rouge
"Rouge."

Wolverine
"Wow, despite the fact you are a teenage girl who probably dropped out of high school cause she sucked the life out of your boyfriend, you already have a code name for yourself so if you join a mutant team of super heroes, you got the name ready."

Rouge
"Yeah, cool huh? And I got an oscar too, something you'll never acquire fighting vampires and wolves."

Wolverine
"Go play a pinao."

Rouge
"Go play with a Kangaroo."

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2004-07-03, 4:41 AM #55
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:


[edit]and the guy in the elevator.. he's a comedian.. im pretty sure[/edit]

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Yeah, Hal Sparks. I only saw one Stan Lee cameo, which me and my friends thought was awesome. The bruce Campbell scene was funny.
But the funiest scene was when he was in the elevator with Hal Sparks, I was laughing so hard.

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2004-07-03, 6:37 AM #56
***potential spoiler***

The concept of Spidey riding an elevator down becaue his powers deserted him amused me more than anything else.

Very entertaining film, much better than most of the large-budget crap which is released these days. Yet I prefered the first one more. This one diddnt seem to know where it was going a lot of the time. There were a lot of characters just floating around not really doing much. Tighter writing and a better explination of what Doc Oc was up to (fusion? arms? what??!) would have gone a long way.

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2004-07-03, 6:41 AM #57
Every charactar can't be a major character. You need extras and secondary characters. Thats why I liked this movie more, in the first film there weren't any secondary characters it felt. Spiderman 2 just went everywhere and blah I suck at explaining things...

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2004-07-03, 7:06 AM #58
what they need to do is just screw the whole harry-peter crap for another movie or two and just go into the birth of venom...
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2004-07-03, 7:14 AM #59
According to the director, 3 will have Venom and Carnage in it. Now here is my theory about who is going to be in 3. The Lizardman (who you saw in 2. Peters one armed teacher), The Greengoblin (who you saw in 2. Harry), Venom and Carnage. Because MJ's ex goes into space (him being an astronaut) and that alien thing that makes up venom gets brought back.

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2004-07-03, 7:16 AM #60
Lizardman?

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2004-07-03, 7:20 AM #61
Yeah, the teacher that says Peter is always late, has one arm, he tries to grow it back using Lizard DNA, and like every freaking badguy in Spiderman OMG SCIENTIFIC MISHAP!

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2004-07-03, 7:28 AM #62
Dr. Connors, I believe..

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Tighter writing and a better explination of what Doc Oc was up to (fusion? arms? what??!) would have gone a long way.</font>
Fusion... and his arms were "fused" to his back... Kinda a play on words if you ask me. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] But fusion is the process the sun uses to make energy. It's incredibly productive, but incredibly unstable, hence we aren't really touching it. Anyway, as far as the unmasking, I thought it was awesome... Yes, there probably *will* be people trying to describe him, but it wasn't about his identity being revealed, it was about him being willing to let others get close to him. The mask was keeping him from MJ, Harry, and his mother, and probably others as well. The mask being removed was symbolic of him starting to recognize that it's ok for him to let others get close. I thought it was awesome how his body was sort of giving him a choice of whether or not to be Spiderman, because it wouldn't work if he didn't want it.

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2004-07-03, 7:56 AM #63
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2004-07-03, 8:12 AM #64
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Dr. Connors, I believe..
Fusion... and his arms were "fused" to his back... Kinda a play on words if you ask me. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] But fusion is the process the sun uses to make energy. It's incredibly productive, but incredibly unstable, hence we aren't really touching it.
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Fine... But why did he need the giant mechanical arms exactly? And why did they have to be implanted into his spine? And isnt there some sort of magnetic shielding that he could have used to control the giant magnetic field? Why the hell did water kill it? If it really was as hot as the sun, wouldnt it have vapourised a large section of the Hudson River inside of a few seconds?

I just didnt 'get' that whole thing. Doc Oc was a cool character, it's just a shame they didnt explain how everything worked a little better.

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2004-07-03, 8:43 AM #65
Spork, it's a super villian. Why did a single bite from a mutated spider alter Peter Parker's DNA throughout his entire body, not killing him, but instead causing him to grow tiny hairs enabling him to climb walls and web shooter thingies in his wrists? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-07-03, 8:49 AM #66
Hey, my problem is not that it's not realistic, it's that they didnt explain it well enough.

Parker's DNA changed because he was bitten by a genetically enhanced spider - Explained.

Doc Oc was doing something with fusion which for no apparent reason required 4 mechanical arms to be implanted into his spine - Not explained.

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2004-07-03, 8:55 AM #67
It's pretty obvious they are used to help him. They were built to help him make his sun experiment thing. Heat and magnetic resistant, which are the two things his experiment were full of, heat and magnitism. He used them to set up the experiment and stuff so yeah, I thought it was explained as much as it needed to be.

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2004-07-03, 9:40 AM #68
I think we're all forgeting one of the best parts of the movie.

"Rain drops keep fallin' on my head..."

That was hilarious, especially with the still frame at the end.

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2004-07-03, 10:47 AM #69
Great movie! I thought the movie did a good job of making you sympathize for Peter. Despite being a super hero, he doesn't live a glamarous life like some of the other heroes. The whole "power of the sun in your hand" makes me think Doc. Oct is about to drink Sunny Delight at any moment in the movie.

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I thought he looked familar.....although it's quite a coincidence that he was involved with a burning building.
2004-07-03, 10:53 AM #70
Doc Oc needed the arms to 'safely' use the fusion power thing. Notice he used his mechanical arms to push the little flares back in, until they got too big?
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2004-07-03, 11:59 AM #71
I'm not understanding why people are saying there was no explanation for his arms. Doc Ock expained before his experiment started that "These are my assistants, they allow me to work in an environment no human hands could ever go." Simple enough. They were implanted into his nervous system so he could control them with his mind like four extra arms. If you're asking for a deeper explanation in the movie, you're asking for too much, because there is no reason to go deeper than that.

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2004-07-03, 12:04 PM #72
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cloud:
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It had Ashy Larry!</font>

I thought he looked familar.....although it's quite a coincidence that he was involved with a burning building.[/b]


nah, he was at the beginning and said something about the pizzas being stolen. the guy at the bulding was someone else.



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2004-07-03, 2:48 PM #73
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Hey, my problem is not that it's not realistic, it's that they didnt explain it well enough.

Parker's DNA changed because he was bitten by a genetically enhanced spider - Explained.

Doc Oc was doing something with fusion which for no apparent reason required 4 mechanical arms to be implanted into his spine - Not explained.

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Yes, it was explained. The mechanicals arms were needed because he was performing about 6 things at ONE TIME, and each arm had a specific duty to do. He even says that they respond to his thoughts as he thinks them, that way he can use them like his own 2 hands, without needing others to help. And the reason is because they were not magnatized like most metal, hence why they didn't get sucked like the other metal stuff did.

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2004-07-03, 2:53 PM #74
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by THRAWN:
And the reason is because they were not magnatized like most metal, hence why they didn't get sucked like the other metal stuff did.

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Only iron is magnetic. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-07-03, 3:57 PM #75
I really doubt they're gonna have Harry appear as Gobby in 3. That's just too obvious, and it makes no sense. Plus, when he was talking to his 'dad', he refused to avenge him, and now that he sees what his dad really was, I doubt he's going to be as vengeful.

Plus, <3 Venom and Carnage!
2004-07-03, 4:23 PM #76
No, Harry WILL be the next green goblin whenever they decide to bring it in. it's not just something to make you think... hmm, in the next movie this guy could be the bad guy...

Peter and harry were once best friends, once harry found out about peters web-slinging alter ego, he does slip into inanity and takes his fathers place as the green goblin. I'm not sure who it is, but the hob-goblin is someone else, so thats for a diffrent time...

anywho, if they stay true to the comics, MJ's Fiance will not be venom if he is in the next movie, Venom was a reporter at the daily bugle who managed to get pissed off by spiderman, in the comics/shows spidey goes into space for some reason and finds the alien costume, finding that it makes it's own webbing, he used it so he didn't have to make his own (in the comics, it's not biological, he mixes the webbing at home and puts it into cartridtges that he carries on a utility belt under his costume and slids them into wrist mounted shooters)

he eventualy finds out that the suit it a sentiant life form and it flees spiderman, not wanting to be a slave of a suit to him, it finds Eddy Brock, a reporter with equal hate for spidey and they "bond" to each other, one can't live without the other and they vow to destory spiderman for their mutual interest.

anywho, I'd like to see the next movie focus more on peter and harry's deterioating relationship and harry's slip into his destiny, while venom starts wreaking havoc on the city...

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2004-07-03, 5:28 PM #77
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2004-07-03, 6:09 PM #78
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
Only iron is magnetic. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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Sorry, I wrote it wrong. I meant the arms were designed so the magnetic field does not pull/control them.

Grant, the original Hobgoblin was "Rodrick Kingsley", of Kingsley Modeling or something like that. MJ use to model for his clothes or something. The thing was, for the longest time everyone thought it was Ned Leeds (Betty Brant's husband, J.Jonah Jameson's secretary's husband) cause when they originally unmasked him, it was Leeds under the mask. But, being that writers can't leave anything the hell alone, they decided to go back and make it Kingsley. Ned Leeds was also a reporter for the Daily Bugle.

However, there was an error in there writing, `cause in one issue, Kingsley and the Hobgoblin were in the same room together, however, it wasn't until after Spider-Man fought the Hobgoblin in the East River that Ned Leeds took over.

What happened was Jason Macendale, aka The Jack O'Lantern (a cheap Hobgoblin rip off) wanted to be the Hobgoblin so he had him assassinated in the Spider-Man/Wolverine special and ASM 289, then took the gear and went on to become the next Hobgoblin.

There was a small side story in issue 245 of ASM where some criminal was mind warped and took over as the Hobgoblin, Lefty Donovan if I remember, and was killed the same issue to throw people off thinking he was the Hobgoblin.

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2004-07-03, 8:25 PM #79
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by THRAWN:
Sorry, I wrote it wrong. I meant the arms were designed so the magnetic field does not pull/control them.

Grant, the original Hobgoblin was "Rodrick Kingsley", of Kingsley Modeling or something like that. MJ use to model for his clothes or something. The thing was, for the longest time everyone thought it was Ned Leeds (Betty Brant's husband, J.Jonah Jameson's secretary's husband) cause when they originally unmasked him, it was Leeds under the mask. But, being that writers can't leave anything the hell alone, they decided to go back and make it Kingsley. Ned Leeds was also a reporter for the Daily Bugle.

However, there was an error in there writing, `cause in one issue, Kingsley and the Hobgoblin were in the same room together, however, it wasn't until after Spider-Man fought the Hobgoblin in the East River that Ned Leeds took over.

What happened was Jason Macendale, aka The Jack O'Lantern (a cheap Hobgoblin rip off) wanted to be the Hobgoblin so he had him assassinated in the Spider-Man/Wolverine special and ASM 289, then took the gear and went on to become the next Hobgoblin.

There was a small side story in issue 245 of ASM where some criminal was mind warped and took over as the Hobgoblin, Lefty Donovan if I remember, and was killed the same issue to throw people off thinking he was the Hobgoblin.

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So... basically comics are like soap-operas with superpowers?



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2004-07-03, 9:41 PM #80
There will be so many things that they would have to do to make Spiderman 3 work that it would be a hella long movie. I say they need to do the Maximum Carnage storyline sometime in the near future if they bring in Venom and Carnage.

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