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We gonna hang 'em high!
2006-11-06, 3:12 PM #121
I'll gladly substitute death penalty for the really bad criminals for life if said scum endures a life time of constant hardship and suffering.

You hurt society, society hurts you back. Eye for an eye.
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2006-11-06, 5:17 PM #122
ORJ, if I were to plot murder, I'd think twice if I was in a state with the death penalty. I'm just going by how I react here.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 5:28 PM #123
Originally posted by Freelancer:
ORJ, if I were to plot murder, I'd think twice if I was in a state with the death penalty. I'm just going by how I react here.


That's okay. I was just contributing to the topic.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2006-11-06, 5:31 PM #124
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
I'll gladly substitute death penalty for the really bad criminals for life if said scum endures a life time of constant hardship and suffering.

You hurt society, society hurts you back. Eye for an eye.


It's kinda funny...I didn't realize this until now, but this philosophy is basically the first written law of ancient civilizations.

Lol premativ lawl!

Anyways, an eye for and eye will make the whole world blind.
2006-11-06, 5:36 PM #125
The system needs to give the good example. Allowing the death penalty is telling people that killing is righteous, that violence solves issues. It's uncivilized and counter-productive.

It's a bit like violating human rights while trying to 'defend freedom and democracy', if you catch my drift.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2006-11-06, 5:39 PM #126
Well then some examples need to be publicized that illustrate your superior method of rehabilitation. Do you have any?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 6:35 PM #127
good job everyone, you've solved the paradox of capital punishment.

It works, but it's unjust and brutal. And we're back at square one.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2006-11-06, 8:12 PM #128
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
The system needs to give the good example. Allowing the death penalty is telling people that killing is righteous, that violence solves issues. It's uncivilized and counter-productive.

It's a bit like violating human rights while trying to 'defend freedom and democracy', if you catch my drift.



Or they could, you know, lob peoples' heads off on TV and people would think twice about doing dumb ****.
2006-11-06, 8:26 PM #129
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Well then some examples need to be publicized that illustrate your superior method of rehabilitation. Do you have any?


Do the statistics that show lower murder rates in non-capital punishment states count?
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2006-11-06, 9:40 PM #130
I think what we need is to pull some guy off death row, rehabilitate him, and then he needs to find the cure for cancer. That'll show 'em. :v:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 9:57 PM #131
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Do the statistics that show lower murder rates in non-capital punishment states count?[/QUOTE]
If you can show these statistics, because I have a hard time believing that with New York on that list...
omnia mea mecum porto
2006-11-06, 10:00 PM #132
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I think what we need is to pull some guy off death row, rehabilitate him, and then he needs to find the cure for cancer. That'll show 'em. :v:
And then, his work finished, we can end his miserable life.
2006-11-06, 10:12 PM #133
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Do the statistics that show lower murder rates in non-capital punishment states count?[/QUOTE]


If I were to really look at such statistics, I'm far more inclined to believe correlation as opposed to causation.
Pissed Off?
2006-11-06, 10:16 PM #134
Originally posted by Roach:
If you can show these statistics, because I have a hard time believing that with New York on that list...


According to the FBI's crime statistics, the murder rate for New York was 4.5 (per 100,000). That was below the national average of 5.6. On the other hand, Texas had a murder rate of 6.2.

The Death Penalty Information Center has a useful page for comparing states' punishment policies and murder rates.
2006-11-06, 10:18 PM #135
Originally posted by Avenger:
If I were to really look at such statistics, I'm far more inclined to believe correlation as opposed to causation.


What better way, then, would you suggest to determine whether the death penalty effectively works as a deterrent?
2006-11-06, 10:18 PM #136
Idaho, on the other hand, has a murder rate of 2.4, and yet it kills criminals. WEIRD!
omnia mea mecum porto
2006-11-06, 10:19 PM #137
It also has a very low population density. I wonder if that has anything to do with it... :v:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 10:20 PM #138
Gee, so maybe capital punishment has little/nothing to do with murder rates, but rather the location and population density? WEIRD!
omnia mea mecum porto
2006-11-06, 10:22 PM #139
I had to, I just had to.

Edit: damn, I didn't realize I was a page behind. There goes the funny =[
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2006-11-06, 10:23 PM #140
Originally posted by Roach:
Gee, so maybe capital punishment has little/nothing to do with murder rates, but rather the location and population density? WEIRD!


Funny that.
Pissed Off?
2006-11-06, 10:25 PM #141
Originally posted by Anovis:
Anyways, an eye for and eye will make the whole world blind.


That is an awesome saying, is that yours or?
You can't judge a book by it's file size
2006-11-06, 10:27 PM #142
It's a really old saying.

That and "an eye for an eye, and an arm and a leg."
omnia mea mecum porto
2006-11-06, 10:28 PM #143
I think that's Ghandi's quote.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 10:32 PM #144
You're right Freelancer, I googled it (why didn't I just do that in the first place eh?) and it is indeed Ghandi.
You can't judge a book by it's file size
2006-11-06, 11:06 PM #145
Damn, I can't believe I misspelled his name. -_-
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-11-06, 11:45 PM #146
Originally posted by Deadman:
I had to, I just had to.
more like
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2006-11-07, 12:06 AM #147
Originally posted by Jon`C:

Enjoy the ride folks.


:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
2006-11-07, 2:48 AM #148
Why are you people assuming the criminal can be rehabilitated?

Rehabilitation is nice, but it can't replace prison time. Go ahead and try and rehabilitate the guy while he's in prison, but don't try and say he should get out any sooner. And when the crime is heinous enough, the death penalty is appropriate.
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-11-07, 3:12 AM #149
Yeah. I'd like to see the statistics that show how effective "rehabilitation" is.
Pissed Off?
2006-11-07, 3:22 AM #150
No one was actually talking in favour of rehabilitation. Sure, some murderers can be rehabilitated, but those usually aren't the cases that get the death sentence.

Life imprisonment is more humane because:

- It doesn't teach people killing is a righteous form of punishment
- It is at least partly revocable in case of error
- It gives criminals some time to think about their sins (for whatever that's worth)
- Society is protected

And don't start about the cost/effectiveness of the death penalty. To reduce such an important moral issue to a discussion about which is the cheaper method is appalling.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2006-11-07, 5:01 AM #151
Latest news:

Iraq's Baath threatens retaliation if Saddam executed

Quote:
"If president Saddam Hussein is executed ... the party will reinforce its siege against the Green Zone," which houses Iraqi government offices and the US embassy, said the party's command on its official site.

It vowed to "use all possible means to destroy embassies, as well as the headquarters of intelligence and treacherous organisations". (...)


So, to quote Jon`C: Enjoy the ride.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2006-11-07, 5:40 AM #152
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
^^ Americans don't give a **** about anything unless it concerns America ^^

Here's what the :tinfoil: people are thinking.

Saddam executed.
Terrorism increases.
America is attacked.
Bush calls for suspension of 22nd amendment.
Bush gets 2/3 of both houses and 3/5 of the Senate.
Bush calls for more "security" measures.
Bush claims dictators powers.
Profit!


The Empire of America is born.
Cheney becomes Darth Shooter.
??
Profit!
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2006-11-07, 12:58 PM #153
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
And don't start about the cost/effectiveness of the death penalty. To reduce such an important moral issue to a discussion about which is the cheaper method is appalling.



No it's not, what kind of a dumb hippy are you?

I don't want to pay for some child rapists' ****ing shoes, food, sheets, gym equipment, etc.

**** that.
2006-11-07, 2:15 PM #154
ORS_JoS, I think the problem is that you find the death penalty morally wrong, and I do not. I don't think either of us is going to change our minds about that. However, I will say that I would favor hard labor over the death penalty. Prison isn't a deterrent anymore because, except for a few places, it's too soft.
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-11-07, 2:17 PM #155
Yeah. Bubba has it easy.
2006-11-07, 2:26 PM #156
Unless its a RIAA related issue.
Soft it aint.
2006-11-07, 3:44 PM #157
Originally posted by KnobZ2:
"An appeal, mandated by the Iraqi judicial system, followed. There is speculation that the appeals could last years, postponing his actual execution."


Wow. How much time are they going to waste? Imagine if a large chunk of your career were dedicated to the Saddam trial. Really.

A Skit:

Mom: "Hey, do you want to get some lunch?"
Kids: "Sure!"
Mom: "How about Chinese food?"
Kid A: "Ok!"
Kid B: "No! I hate Chinese food!"
[a long argument over the costs and benefits of Chinese food follows.]
Kid B: "How about hamburgers?"
Kid A: "I hate hamburgers!"
[...]
Kid A: "In sum, Chinese food!"
Mom: "It's decided then. Chinese food."
Kid B: "Unfair! I demand an appeal!"
Mom: "Ok...."

And so on and so forth for years.
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
1473 for '1337' posts.
2006-11-07, 4:18 PM #158
I have to say, I'm against life in prison. If you don't execute them, at least think of something that doesn't waste so much money, and doesn't leave them rotting in prison for years on end. If you really want to show someone mercy, actually do it, don't pat yourself on the back for confining them to some hell-hole for the rest of their life and forgetting about them.

I say whipping, or much shorter sentences to labor camps would be great alternatives to prison.

Oh, and Hellequin, it turns out that executing someones costs so many millions in legal fees that it ends up being more expensive than putting someone in prison for life. That's not to say it should be, but it is. Quite ridicules, if you ask me.


Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
Latest news:

Iraq's Baath threatens retaliation if Saddam executed



So, to quote Jon`C: Enjoy the ride.


Those threats are so lame. They're already doing that, and they fully expect him to be executed. It'll just be business as usual.
2006-11-07, 4:49 PM #159
Originally posted by Isuwen:
...except for a few places, it's too soft.


While the people we plan to leave in charge of Iraq are supposed to be nicer than those in charge before, I would still fully expect Iraq to be one of those places where it isn't "soft." Especially if half the guards knew someone you were responsible for the death of.
Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse?
2006-11-07, 5:36 PM #160
Originally posted by Isuwen:
ORS_JoS, I think the problem is that you find the death penalty morally wrong, and I do not. I don't think either of us is going to change our minds about that. However, I will say that I would favor hard labor over the death penalty. Prison isn't a deterrent anymore because, except for a few places, it's too soft.


On the hard labor tangent, I wonder if there ever could be a system where inmates overall could make enough through labor of some sort for the government to cover their stay.
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