I dislike Vegitarians and Vegans because they expect entire resturants, supermarkets etc to cater to them, a minority group. A steackhouse shouldn't ahve vegitarian quisine. IT'S A GOD DAMN STEAKHOUSE.

I also find both of them whiney and annoying. I have yet to just jump on someone for being a vege head, yet I ahve been bombarded in public by these *******s insisting that I end my carnivorous ways. How about a big "No, **** you, go away I'm trying to eat."

Humans are omnivorous, get over it.

Freelancer, PETA president Newkirk has publically stated that their stance is they are against any cures that come from animal testing, period. Which is hilarious considering one of their VP's uses insulin, which is either an animal product, or an artificial product developed using animal research. Her stance is something alongs the lines of she realizes it's hypocritical, but she can make an exception for herself because animals need her to be alive to help save them.

MentatMM, you honestly believe that some day terror tactics will be needed for the movement? That destroying property and endangering/killing people/animals will somehow make people agree with them?

Rob, I agree. My sister is a vegan, and as I was trying to enjoy a steak at Gorat's, she was complaining about the blood on my plate, and the lack of good vegan meals at the establishment. Boohoo, go eat in a garden.

I know like, one vegetarian, who luckily doesn't cram her beliefs down everyone's throat. In fact she likes to have fun with it sort of, like ordering a "chicken quesadilla without chicken" at Taco Bell and confusing the pimpleface that works there.

Rob and Roach realize that not all vegetarians and vegans are so pushy. However, most they have experienced, are. I'm saying this before someone says "durr they're not all like that!"

I also find it funny that veggies demand vegan meals at places like steakhouses. It is reasonable in some places, though, like a college cafeteria, where the students in the dorms have very little choice to eat elsewhere.

I was a vegetarian for Lent this year. I actually liked it; I felt a lot healthier.

However, PETA can still shove it.

I've lived with quite a few vegetarians and a few vegans over the years that I was in college. I don't recall any that were crazy about it, which was pretty cool. A dated a girl who decided to go vegetarian on a whim for no real moral reasons or anything too. It wasn't really a big deal. I'm of the opinion that if you respect my eating habits, I'm more than happy to do the same for you.

First Roach, it isn't President Newkirk, but VP Mary Beth Sweetland who is tied to Insulin. But same difference :p

To quote Penn and Teller: Bull**** (the episode regarding PETA)..."PETA loves animals, not humans".

On their site they equated the freakin Holocaust, the mass genocide of actual humans, to killing chickens.

Watch these, they are entertaining, and you might learn a thing or two..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ElyZBTN1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lop4SdDyDIQ&mode=related&search=

That's what he said.

Great Vids too.

I figure that it's natural to eat meat, but there's definitely something to be said for raising and killing it in a reasonably humane way.

Ive been vegetarian for two years. I don't push it on people or anything, and my girlfriend eats meat. However, I still get bashed constantly by idiots who think being vegetarian isn't "manly". Stupid people need to realize that vegetarians are not a threat to their very existance.

Also, its not more natural to eat meat then to not. Its just food.

Real men eat meat! Bloody, bloody meat!!!

I like my meat marinated in blood.

And, really, I don't really care if the animal suffers, as long as it tastes good.

That's what I said. I've argued this plenty of times before.

(But, thanks for providing the exact name, I didn't want to go look that up...)

I could go for a steak right about now.

I had one tonight!

How was it?

I like mine between medium rare.


GOD I WANT A ****ING STEAK.

medium rare is good. nice big steak and some potato wedges.

Mine was about medium well. I usually like it about medium. It was pretty good.

So ****ing hungry.

First, if I sprayed you with paint, you'd probably piss your panties. Second, there's no need to indirectly threaten people just because you can't prove your case. Third, many "hippies" do lobby, but according to your future post, you admit that they do lobby and that you hate that as well. The only people that I run in to on the street corner are Christians telling me that I'm going to hell, or Democrats and Republicans pretending to be opposites. Oh, and PETA and their ineffective publicity stunts are almost single-handedly raising awareness of the issues. Disagree with their tactics all day long, but they get results, and that's what matters in the end.


They do in The United States Of America.


There are safe ways to destroy property. Unfortunately, some organizations often do what's convenient. I think they're wrong in doing so.


My mother eats meat but is disgusted by bloody meat. I actually know quite a few meat-eaters that are disgusted by bloody food.

So, to destroy property that holds medical research records that could save someone's loved-one from a virus is good, because a rat or a bunny was pricked with a needle?

That's nice. I know plenty of meat-eaters that lick their lips at blood. What's your point?

Why did you have to go all SF_Gold with the "Wet your panties" remark?
It's not smart, It's not cool, And it sure as hell doesn't help your cause.

I'm guessing the end outweights the means: the awareness to the issues.

If that is the case, there's probably plenty of reputable and respectable animal rights organizations out there. And I'm willing to bet that they actually do more for the cause than PETA has done. The means to solving animal-rights issues by PETA is what is the problem, and if awareness and results are what matters most, I don't see what PETA got, besides being a big, bloated crowd of lobbyists, over a more honest group.

Why, they recruited more brainwashed ****wits to carry one their bull****, of course.

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I'd probably take you to court and waste as much of your time as I possibly could getting a $100 ruling in my favor for destroying my property.



But destroying property is okay? If you had any credability for your position before, it is now completely gone.

We are smarter than animals.

We have utilized that intelligence to create devices and procedures which allow us to easily raise/kill animals for human consumption.

Meat tastes good.

This discussion is over, and unlike most of you, apparantly, I have steaks in my freezer, which I think I'm about to go defrost and eat.

After reading this thread and thinking about it, I'm seriously considering becoming a vegetarian again, or at least limiting my meat intake for a while.

Salads and fruit make me feel a lot better than eating fried meat. Hmm..

I said that there are safe ways to destroy property, not necessarily that I would condone the destruction of medical records. I would also expect a lab would have off-site records, especially considering the potential for it to be destroyed. I honestly think that it may be a bit early for such tactics and I suppose that I haven't really thought about the type of destruction that I would see fit, if those decisions were up to me. To me, some of these organizations are like Mike Tyson back in the day. He was an ******* and you'd probably never want to even meet the guy, but you just couldn't help the fact that you wanted him to win. I don't pretend to have all of the answers, and my methods would be very different, but even though they often use ridiculous methods to accomplish their goals, I think that if anything, the public see's how desperate these people are to end animal cruelty.


Congratulations on ignoring the fact that he indirectly threatened and insulted me before I made that remark. Oh, and this isn't really my cause. I just support the people whose cause it is and understand where they're coming from. My girlfriend takes care of the animal rescue side of things with my infrequent help. My goals are elsewhere.


That could easily be argued, but PETA is at the forefront and they're going to be there for quite some time. The last thing that needs to happen in such a movement is an open conflict between organizations with similar goals. That should come much later.


I think that at some point, I would see the destruction of property as being justifiable, yes. I fail to see how I lose credibility in stating this. By the definition that many of you give to terrorism, even the unions in this country would be terrorist organizations. Oh, and what about that whole civil rights movement? I guess the entire city of Los Angeles are terrorists due to the LA riots? The list goes on. Many groups broke the law as a strategic way to find mainstream acceptance. This isn't something new.


If you do decide to take a stab at vegetarianism, make sure that you do your research beforehand. It can be incredibly unhealthy if you don't know what you're doing. I would highly recommend GoVeg to get you on the right track. Oh, and contrary to popular belief, vegetarianism doesn't necessarily cause weight loss or muscle loss. I gained 20 pounds after becoming a vegetarian and there are actually vegetarian and vegan bodybuilders.

Well the entire city of LA didn't participate in the riots...

And saying destruction of any sort of property that exists for beneficial medical research is moronic.

Do I really need to spell out the fact that "the entire city of LA" was a generalization? Oh, and your second statement is an opinion.

"Because it's been done before" is a horrible basis for justying anything.

There's a difference in breaking laws and using organized violence to spread fear.

Anyway, I don't find any reason to not partake in dairy products or eggs every now and then, so I'll never be an actual vegan. But I'll definately look at that site for ideas/tips.

Like I said.

Peta doesn't help animals. They just annoy the **** out of everyone a hurt people.

• Are you trying to imply that a company is at fault, somehow, if they don't have proper back-up procedures for their data when a PETA footsoldier firebombs their labs?
• It's always too early for these tactics.
• These people are desperate, and that makes them dangerous, because they lose all perspective, sacrificing the lives of innocent people and sometimes innocent animals and the environment to achieve their misdirected ideals.

It was, and we're all glad that you admitted that you made a mistake.

Yes. Fire exists, therefore companies should properly backup their data. Oh, and I believe that you've confused between PETA and the ALF.



Agreed.

Anyways, it's been a lively debate, but I must retire, for the work week starts tomorrow and I can't be bothered to take up my little free time with this. Have fun.

Except that PETA provided him with thousands of dollars to fund it.

...you agree that organizations like PETA are run by people who will go to extreme measures to achieve misdirected ideals?

So you're sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and going "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN'T HEAR YOU," because everyone is making good arguments?

That's not what he asked. He asked if MSU should be held responsible for not ensuring against firebombing attacks by radicals.

Additionally, they do have protection against fire. They're called sprinklers. And they work great to put our fires before they spread, not against idiots throwing molotov cocktails around.