* She sighs. "If you are trying to say, that Indie is applied to bands, who are striking it out on their own... Used to be, but now, it`s pretty commercialised, as well."
Me: You abuse commas
Me: :-D
Me: I may not be able to spell, but I'm a grammar nazi.
Me: I'm just saying, I sometimes have difficulty understanding you.
Her: That`s because you don`t know grammar. ^_^
Me: You’d be hard pressed to say that.
Her: Me.
Her: Well, you do miss obviously important comas, after all. Sentences do not even sound right without them.
Me: That's how we speak, not how grammar works.
Me: Commas break up ideas. They're not natural pauses.
Her: Comas are the written sign, which is used to delineate pauses, when you pronounce sentence.
Me: .... Not at all.
Her: On the contrary, quite so.
Her: Separate ideas are expressed in different sentences, or, at the urgent need, separated with semicolons.
Me: No... not at all.
Me: Where do you study English?
Her: Then, what would you use semicolon for?
Me: A semicolon is for conjunctions.
Her: Conjunction of what?
Me: It's also a secondary comma when you've already used commas to separate ideas in a sentence with several main points.
Me: You use commas as natural pauses, which isn't correct at all.
Me: Despite my learning disability with spelling, I have a great deal of education in English and grammar.
Me: I was a teacher of creative writing for a year.
Me: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm telling you it's incorrect.
Her: Conjunction of ideas, I assume. Which, would be exactly what I say - ideas are separated with semicolons, while comas delineate pauses.
Me: No, conjunction of sentences.
Her: Sentence is terminated with dot. Trying to put semicolon after a dot is senseless and obviously incorrect. This kind of conjunction is useless.
Me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_%28punctuation%29
Me: It specifically says that your interpretation is a misunderstanding.
Her: The comma is used in many contexts, principally for separating things. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word comma comes directly from the Greek komma (κόμμα), which means something cut off or a short clause.
Her: Cut off, or short clause. Aka, pause.
Me: No.
Me: Keep reading.
Her: Prove this one is wrong first. I gave you prime example out of YOUR resource, that my opinion is right.
Me: No, you're 100% right. It doesn't support your poor grammar, though.
Her: Correction. It does not supports your poor grammar. Which, is obviously wrong, basing off this clause.
Me: ... Read the page.
Me: It explains that commas separate the idea from the rest of the sentence, or it functions as a parenthetical phrase.
Her: Aka, do same function, as pauses in speech.
Me: It is in essence a pause, because we pause where there are commas. It does not mean that we insert commas where there are pauses in a sentence.
Me: You would've just said the previous sentence: "it is in essence, a pause, because we pause where there are commas."
Me: a pause isn't a parenthetical phrase.
Me: It is the topic.
Her: That line is mangled from my point of view.
Her: I would say - "In essence, it is a pause, therefore we pause at comas."
Me: .... Alice, we're talking about my first language, and the very language I teach, and have awards for my knowledge.
Her: I guess it just proves the general clause, that Americans can`t speak even their 'native' language well, no?
Me: I really don't know how to get this across to you. Commas are not used as pauses. They are pauses used for separating the topic from the sentence, as well as separating unfitting ideas into a sentence.
Me: You're arrogant if you can't see that in the wikipedia entry.
Her: You are repeating the very same thing I say to you, no?
Her: Yet, you persist in smushing several ideas together, when coma and pause are clearly warranted.
Me: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_comma.html
Me: This is for a grammar school student.
Her: The comma is a valuable, useful punctuation device because it separates the structural elements of sentences into manageable segments.
Her: You, meanwhile, attempt to smush several separate elements into single seque, which makes your sentences sound chattered, and generally makes them hard to read.
Her: If you need anymore proof, just read through the last text you linked. You will discover, that my punctuation is justified.
Me: Please show me the example in that text where "You will discover, that my punctuation is justified." is correct.
Her: Two separate clauses. Can you point me out any logical link between the fact, that my punctuation is correct, and the fact, that you will be discovering?
Me: Because I have an IRC channel full of people who are laughing at that very line
Her: Given, that average person on IRC is unable to use coma at all, I find this criterion to be potently useless in determining the correct usage of such.
Me: Given is applies to I find this criterion
Me: er
Me: IN the previous sentence, "Given," applies to "I find this criterion"
Her: Given is a container sentence, which is expanded in the following separate clause, delineated with comas.
Me: Which doesn't make sense.
Me: .... no....
Me: Hahaha
Me: Alice
Me: I put this into Microsoft word:
Me: "You will discover, that my punctuation is justified."
Her: I see, that you have much practice with common English. Which, consequentally, is used in low-level communications, where precise markup is not relevant, as messages are usually simple enough to be obvious from context.
However, you have to take in account, that attempting to use such communication model with entity, which needs high precision, is quite hazardous. Thus, to keep the matters from overcomplicating on low levels, consistent markup is used.
Me: It underlined "discover" and said that the comma should be removed.
Me: Stop using large words in an attempt to show your knowledge. Your grammar is incorrect. The multiple sources I've cited explain, in plain english, that you're not doing one of the two things that a comma is used for.
Me: Instead, you think that the comma is a means to pause.
Me: It isn't.
Me: Period.
Her: Good example. Same editor suggested that "analyser" should be separated, and be read as "anal laser". Sorry, but once again, veracity of your "proof" is below the needed level.
Me: Microsoft Word agrees with me, a program that is scrutinized by billions of people.
Me: Before it's ever released.
Her: Billions? I beg to differ. Millions would be stretching it.
Me: Regardless, you're incorrect.
Me: And it's rather silly that you'd try to argue any differently.
Me: You're stubborn as hell.
Her: Not really. And while I understand, that you can not overcome denial over being wrong in something as elemental as your own native language grammar, eventually you will.
Me: You just said that You understand eventually I will.
Me: That is exactly what the former sentence says.
Her: Heh. Well, to quote one Indian - "I said everything." If you do not even see the fallacy of your last statement, then I must conclude, that you already realized your mistakes, and are arguing out of principle, right now.
Me: .... No, no I'm not.
Me: Alice, you're hardly on the right side of the argument right now.
Me: I will prove it to you, too.
Her: Well... Go ahead, and try. I`m not sure, just how good are you in creating sofisms, but it would be amusing to witness.
Her: However, I feel it`s fair to warn you, that attempts for arguments like "I`m a teacher." and "My friends agree." will be discarded as irrelevant - simply because in the current situation, you are not able to provide any credentials for either of aforementioned arguments.

[Dear John]

Me: A semicolon is for conjunctions.
Her: Conjunction of what?

It is obvious, by fact, that you do not use commas without the indication of prepositional phrase , or otherwise!

Since this had spurned on so much of a reply, I can add my five cents as well.

Obviously, I`ve been "Her" in the transcript posted.

Now, to address the issues, as they are...

` vs ' - ` is apostrophe, pure and simple. ' is single quote. Thus, ` is what I use. Helps to evade misreadings.

My resume - while I`m very grateful for concern, there is no need to worry. My resumes are quite up to snuff, and I`ve had no complaints about them being "atrocious", yet. Of course, you`d probably say, that you can`t read it at all, much less dictate a good grammar, seeing as my resumes are written in Russian.

Comas - I assure you, that I do not put comas on random, as some of you here tried to portray. My usage may be alien for you, but it`s entirely logical, and does not contradicts rules directly. Question here is not in the coma, per ce, as much as in sentence construction.

Plz stop.

Firefox 2 has alerted me to several spelling errors withing this quote.

There are more, but I just picked the most blatant spelling... abrasions.

As for coma going inside the quotes, that`s entirely illogical, and contradicts the purpose of quoting. Expanding this, one might conclude, that quoting someone is impossible without altering the message they convey. And even in case like this, where quotes are used to emphase word, including coma in is absolutely unwarranted for.

As for coma going inside the quotes, that`s entirely illogical, and contradicts the purpose of quoting. Expanding this, one might conclude, that quoting someone is impossible without altering the message they convey.

This thread is too damn weird.