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Does 0.999 repeating equal 1?
2007-03-09, 11:52 PM #41
Because you're being a prick when it isn't warranted. It's not like he's spouting out bogus Friend14 math, he said himself that he doesn't know.

Alan, so we're in agreement that anyone referring to diamond as a metal is an idiot?
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2007-03-09, 11:53 PM #42
Oh god, yes.
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2007-03-10, 12:03 AM #43
Well, Emon, it's just Freelancer.

Nothing to really worry about :cool:
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2007-03-10, 12:04 AM #44
Well, at least I don't devote 70% of my posts to international trolling attempts. :rolleyes: I say attempts because you're not very good at it.
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2007-03-10, 12:06 AM #45
Wuh? :confused:
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2007-03-10, 12:06 AM #46
...how about we play a fun game called "let's bite our tongues unless something actually needs to be said"?
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2007-03-10, 12:57 AM #47
.999 repeating doesn't equal 1, because .333 repeating doesn't equal 1/3.

However, .999 repeating for almost all purposes is practically 1.

I guess you could say that it equals 1 minus 1/infinity.
2007-03-10, 1:24 AM #48
0.9(9) is infinitely approximating to 1, but is not 1.

Therefore, 0.9(9) could be considered 1 only, if calculations do not require pinpoint precision, and could be rounded several digits after coma.
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2007-03-10, 1:31 AM #49
I think I orgasmed back there.
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2007-03-10, 1:34 AM #50
To all the morons saying that .999~ != 1:

Please tell me what the quantity is that makes them uneven.

Is it .000000000001? No.

Is it .00000000000000000000000000000001? No.

Is it.... perhaps.... an infinite number of zeros followed by a 1? :v:

Please tell me what manner of godlike powers I must be imbued with in order to add a quantity to infinity? Any math professor will tell you infinity + 1 = infinity. Take a damn Calculus class before you spout off about Calculus topics. Please.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 1:44 AM #51
Free, chill. Just because someone doesn't agree with you that one number doesn't equal another doesn't give you the right to call them a moron.
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2007-03-10, 1:48 AM #52
Can't believe I'm actually posting here. It's been so long (and no, I'm not being dragged back in. I stopped by to see what was up while a game installed)

If you have a whole of something, it takes 3 (count them 1,2,3) - 1/3 parts to equal it.

One third of 3 is 1. One third of 9 is 3. So on and so forth.

One third of 1 is not, in my opinion, .33~ (.33 repeating) as we all know that .33~ +.33~ +.33~ is still going to leave us with a .00~1 to add to it to get 1. That is why I say that a third of one is actually .33 and 1/3 (Point three three and a third)

Three thirds, or three equal parts of something, alway will equal a whole.

THEREFORE! .99~ is NOT! 1.
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2007-03-10, 1:48 AM #53
Yes, they're equal. Last time we had this thread it was mathematically proven at least three different ways. There is no room for debate on this subject.
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2007-03-10, 1:50 AM #54
Originally posted by Roach:
Free, chill. Just because someone doesn't agree with you that one number doesn't equal another doesn't give you the right to call them a moron.


This isn't a matter of whether they "agree" with me. There is no agreeing and disagreeing here. There is right and wrong. They are WRONG and IGNORANT of a proven mathematical FACT.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 1:51 AM #55
That's funny, I'm pretty sure .9999~ * 9 != 1 * 9. Weird.

And that really doesn't excuse you for insulting people.
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2007-03-10, 1:52 AM #56
Originally posted by BrianTheSith:
.00~1
Wrong. You're trying to add a quantity to infinity. Nice try.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 1:53 AM #57
Originally posted by Roach:
That's funny, I'm pretty sure .9999~ * 9 != 1 * 9. Weird.


Ummmm... yes it does.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 1:53 AM #58
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Wrong. You're trying to add a quantity to infinity. Nice try.


I understand that, infinity of course is never ending. Still, if you add a never ending .33 to a never ending .33 to a never ending .33, you still will get a never ending .99, which still is NOT 1
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2007-03-10, 1:54 AM #59
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Ummmm... yes it does.

No, it is forever less than 1 * 9.
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2007-03-10, 1:56 AM #60
Originally posted by Roach:
No, it is forever less than 1 * 9.


No it isn't, precisely because you can't tell me what the quantity "1 - 0.999~" is. Don't you get it now?

The correct answer would be 0, of course, but by your logic, it would be an infinite number of zeros followed by a 1, which of course is impossible. (and is thus ZERO)
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 1:58 AM #61
There's no .00~1. That's a number with an infinite number of zeros after the decimal point. We have a name for a number like that; it's zero. Incidentally, that's the difference between .99~ and 1.

Edit: Yeah, Free kind of beat me to it.
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2007-03-10, 1:59 AM #62
Just as something that isn't quite whole to equal a whole is impossible. Isn't math fun?
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2007-03-10, 1:59 AM #63
Originally posted by Roach:
Just as something that isn't quite whole to equal a whole is impossible. Isn't math fun?


Check mate!

(Gives Roach a high five)
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

Thou shalt not weigh more than thy refrigerator.

Eat well, stay fit, die anyway.
2007-03-10, 2:01 AM #64
Again, I invite the naysayers to give me the exact value of 1 - 0.999~.

If 1 != 0.999~ as you falsely claim, then you should be able to give me the value of 1 - 0.999~. Now what the hell is it? I'm waiting.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:03 AM #65
I'd like you to show me a nanometer on a meter long stick. Just because our math system isn't accurate enough to factor in an infinitely small sum doesn't mean a value that small (or on the flip side, infinitely large) doesn't exist.
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2007-03-10, 2:03 AM #66
Calculus, eh?

Well, perhaps Freelancer here would explain to everyone, that infinity is one for everyone?

And here I was hoping my uni professors were not gonking me about comparing the infinite values, in a completely mind-boggling manners, I must add.

But, to get serious... Let`s get back to our muttons. No, infinitesmall value does NOT equals zero. Therefore, 0.9(9) lacks that infinitesmall bit to be 1.
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2007-03-10, 2:05 AM #67
Originally posted by Roach:
I'd like you to show me a nanometer on a meter long stick. Just because our math system isn't accurate enough to factor in an infinitely small sum doesn't mean a value that small (or on the flip side, infinitely large) doesn't exist.


There's a name for "infinitely small sums" - it's 0. :v:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:07 AM #68
No, that's just the closest value we're willing to use.

0 is nothing. .00~ + 1 is something.
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2007-03-10, 2:08 AM #69
Expanding the analogy, that infinitesmall values equal zero.

On the universe scale, one human is infinitely-small value. Therefore, each and every human equals zero - and therefore, does not exists.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 2:09 AM #70
Okay, seriously, dude, don't even say another word until you understand derivatives. Derivatives are not possible unless .999~ = 1. And there's a hell of a lot of mathematics based on derivatives.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:09 AM #71
Oh, ok. Well, that settles that.
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2007-03-10, 2:10 AM #72
Originally posted by Roach:
No, that's just the closest value we're willing to use.

0 is nothing. .00~ + 1 is something.


Wrong again.

THIS IS THE EXACT SAME THING as saying that infinity + 1 > infinity. That is a false statement, since infinity + ANYTHING = infinity.

Infinity minus the largest quantity you could possibly think of is infinity. It's not less AT ALL. It's not MORE AT ALL. You can't change infinity. Infinity is infinity. These are fundamental, basic, no-brainer concepts you learn when you learn calculus. Seriously.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:12 AM #73
Bull. "Infinity A" + 1 > "Infinity A", despite them both being infinities.

Refer to integral calculus, and especially, infinite limits, for clarification.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 2:15 AM #74
You have absolutely no clue.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:15 AM #75
Well, same back at you, Mac.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 2:16 AM #76
Except I have mountains of evidence to back me up and you have none.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:18 AM #77
Ex...cuse me?

All you have, is a "common sense" argument, that "If it`s smaller then anything, it should be zero."

For crying out loud, enroll in any university, which reads high mathematics, they`ll set you right.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 2:19 AM #78
Your "university" doesn't deserve to be accredited if it pumps out people as misinformed as you.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-10, 2:22 AM #79
....Look, bud. Slandering is not an argument.

If you have "mountains of evidence", link me here to one credible resource, which says it`s OK to assume infinitesmall value is zero.

Until then... Sorry, but GONK! Study some math, then come back.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 2:29 AM #80
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA... you do NOT want to **** with me on this.

http://polymathematics.typepad.com/polymath/2006/06/no_im_sorry_it_.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/64296.html
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57081.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurring_decimal

This proves you wrong. I don't understand why you cannot comprehend that. I am right. You are wrong.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
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