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Oh, those crazy Minnesotans
2007-03-19, 6:06 PM #1
Discuss.

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Two weeks ago, a gift-wrapped box was left at the house Crystal shares with her grandmother. The box had batteries on top, and a note that said "Congratulations Crystal. This side up. Batteries included."

Crystal opened the box and found her dog's head inside. The box also contained Valentine's Day candy.
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2007-03-19, 6:23 PM #2
Wow. That is ****ing sick.
2007-03-19, 6:35 PM #3
Wow... I hadn't heard anything about this, and I live in Minnesota.
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2007-03-19, 6:41 PM #4
Me too. I think this person makes a bad name for us!
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2007-03-19, 6:42 PM #5
I like how the first three replies are Minnesotans :hist101:
2007-03-19, 6:45 PM #6
It's not that sick. It seems like there's three stories every day about how some psycho hacks up a human corpse and leaves it somewhere.

This... this is slightly different, in that it is obviously fueled by some intence malice toward this "Crystal" girl. But what the article refuses to investigate is what Crystal did to invoke such wrath.
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2007-03-19, 6:59 PM #7
Egh... WTF. Things like this are exactly why I don't go into St. Paul very often. Freaking sick people.
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2007-03-19, 7:05 PM #8
Originally posted by Freelancer:
It's not that sick. It seems like there's three stories every day about how some psycho hacks up a human corpse and leaves it somewhere.

...

I'll have to disagree with you there. Decapitating a young girl's pet and giving it to her in a box is "not that sick"?

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This... this is slightly different, in that it is obviously fueled by some intence malice toward this "Crystal" girl. But what the article refuses to investigate is what Crystal did to invoke such wrath.

Whatever Crystal did or did not do is entirely irrelevant.
woot!
2007-03-19, 7:15 PM #9
Is there any part of America that isn't infested with deranged sociopaths?
2007-03-19, 7:18 PM #10
...please forgive me...
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Professional comedians were looking into the case because of the “implied” humor, Stand up Jim Carrey said. The Comedy Society of the United States said Wednesday it was offering a reward of up to $2,500 for ideas leading to a joke routine.

“This was extraordinarily hallarious,” said Dale Bartlett, the Comedy Society’s deputy manager for animal jokes. “I deal with hundreds and hundreds of comedy cases each year. When I read about this case, it took my breath away. It’s hallarous.”
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2007-03-19, 7:18 PM #11
Originally posted by JLee:
Whatever Crystal did or did not do is entirely irrelevant.

I disagree. Crystal may have done any number of things to legitimately invoke the wrath she received. Of course they paint Crystal in a perfect light in the article, because that aids in the article's sensationalism which in turn improves its ratings and thus ad revenue. You have to look at the comprehensive picture; not just the one the article paints for you.

If you really think about it, it's absurd to suggest this was just a random event perpetrated by a psychotic individual. The girl did something to invite this, but it's in the medias' best interest to have you believe Crystal is perfectly innocent.
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2007-03-19, 7:21 PM #12
Originally posted by CavEmaN:
Is there any part of America that isn't infested with deranged sociopaths?


Just the uninhabited parts.
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2007-03-19, 7:22 PM #13
No, Free. You're trying to rationalize the actions of a sociopath in a way that shouldn't be possible. No action deserves to find the head of your beloved pet in a box on your porch.
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2007-03-19, 7:25 PM #14
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I disagree. Crystal may have done any number of things to legitimately invoke the wrath she received. Of course they paint Crystal in a perfect light in the article, because that aids in the article's sensationalism which in turn improves its ratings and thus ad revenue. You have to look at the comprehensive picture; not just the one the article paints for you.

If you really think about it, it's absurd to suggest this was just a random event perpetrated by a psychotic individual. The girl did something to invite this, but it's in the medias' best interest to have you believe Crystal is perfectly innocent.


If I catch someone doing that, regardless of why, they're going for a ride. End of story. They can explain it to the judge. Again, what she did is irrelevant. This is not the proper way to handle any situation.

You are certainly free to disagree -- this is just my perspective.
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2007-03-19, 7:30 PM #15
My point is, it irks me how the articles always paint the victims as perfectly innocent and the perpetrators as unspeakably evil -- they do this to sway the viewers' perceptions of events to favor the news agency -- when what they're supposed to be doing is providing an unbiased account. I'm not endorsing the actions of the dog-beheader. I'm saying the article is ****.
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2007-03-19, 7:34 PM #16
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Crystal may have done any number of things to legitimately invoke the wrath she received.


Are your seriously attempting to legitimize decapitating some innocent dog? You are one sick twisted ****.
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2007-03-19, 7:34 PM #17
Originally posted by CavEmaN:
Is there any part of America that isn't infested with deranged sociopaths?
Is there any part of Earth or history that isn't infested with deranged sociopaths?

As far as the actual story is concerned, it may be terrible, but it's not really surprising, and if you valuate human life over animal life, there could be a case for worse things being done on a regular basis.

It would be surprising if it was entirely unprovoked, since I've really only heard of this sort of thing as retribution.
2007-03-19, 7:34 PM #18
That's terrible... If I found that one of my cat's have been killed and butchered and then given the head as a gift, I'd probably go hunting for some freaks.

Of course, where I come from the people probably aren't smart enough to behead a cat.

Example:

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2007-03-19, 7:39 PM #19
Originally posted by Isuwen:
Are your seriously attempting to legitimize decapitating some innocent dog? You are one sick twisted ****.

I shall devise a new law for people like you:

The sickness of the beheader is directly proportional to the cuteness of the beheadee.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 7:40 PM #20
Originally posted by money•bie:
It would be surprising if it was entirely unprovoked, since I've really only heard of this sort of thing as retribution.
Thank you.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 7:42 PM #21
Originally posted by Freelancer:
My point is, it irks me how the articles always paint the victims as perfectly innocent and the perpetrators as unspeakably evil -- they do this to sway the viewers' perceptions of events to favor the news agency -- when what they're supposed to be doing is providing an unbiased account. I'm not endorsing the actions of the dog-beheader.

Originally posted by Freelancer:
I disagree. Crystal may have done any number of things to legitimately invoke the wrath she received.


...

Again: It doesn't matter.

Whether she is innocent or guilty of anything has absolutely no bearing on this situation. N. o. n. e.

Originally posted by Freelancer:
I'm saying the article is ****.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no. Again, it has no bearing on what actually happened.

Originally posted by money•:
It would be surprising if it was entirely unprovoked, since I've really only heard of this sort of thing as retribution.


You have a point -- however, (again), in no way would any previous action of her prove this to be legitimate.

I think I've made my point...as for whether anybody agrees with me or not, I really don't care. *chuckle* I'm going to bed. :)
woot!
2007-03-19, 7:43 PM #22
It has every bearing on what happened. Since what happened as you intepret it is what you read in the article, the article must be as accurate as possible.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 7:46 PM #23
Originally posted by Freelancer:
It has every bearing on what happened. Since what happened as you intepret it is what you read in the article, the article must be as accurate as possible.


My point, Free...is that is cannot be justified to be "okay". In the most lenient scenario I could think of, we'd at least be recommending a restraining order...assuming we found who did it.

Out of curiosity, under what circumstance do you believe this action to be legally and morally acceptable?
woot!
2007-03-19, 7:49 PM #24
Only if the dog is known not to have an affectionate bond with its owner or owners and if it was being used to feed human beings would I condone killing a domesticated dog.

I would certainly not condone mailing its head in a box to anybody.

Now again, since you missed my point; I'm not arguing the morality of the ACT. I'm saying the article should not push the reader to infer the victim is innocent.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 7:49 PM #25
Apparently, when the dog is really really ugly.
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2007-03-19, 7:54 PM #26
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Only if the dog is known not to have an affectionate bond with its owner or owners and if it was being used to feed human beings would I condone killing a domesticated dog.

I would certainly not condone mailing its head in a box to anybody.

Now again, since you missed my point; I'm not arguing the morality of the ACT. I'm saying the article should not push the reader to infer the victim is innocent.


Perhaps, then, we are more in agreement than I realized.

Maybe I misinterpreted your earlier posts, with comments such as "it's not that sick", and that she may have "legitimately invoke(d) the wrath she received".
woot!
2007-03-19, 7:55 PM #27
There is absolutely no case in which it is alright to decapitate a pet, and then give someone the head in a box. I don't care if the girl dumped the guy, stole all his stuff, and then started having sex with the guys best friend. Chopping off a dogs head and putting it in a box is still seriously messed up. Freelancer is just trying to be an internet intellectual :downswords:

o.0
2007-03-19, 7:57 PM #28
Is it not a possibility that she legitimately invoked the wrath she received? I can think of things far worse than cutting off a dog's head and mailing it to its owner. It is not an impossibility for her to have done one of those things to the dog-beheader.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 8:01 PM #29
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Is it not a possibility that she legitimately invoked the wrath she received? I can think of things far worse than cutting off a dog's head and mailing it to its owner. It is not an impossibility for her to have done one of those things to the dog-beheader.


In short, no.

Sure, there are things that are worse. However, in no way would it justify this. If she did something that you believe would warrant such a reaction, that still does not justify said reaction. Guys like me are paid to handle things like this...and we don't do it by putting a dog's head on someone's doorstep. Granted, this kid might need some additional therapy..

Originally posted by Greenboy:
There is absolutely no case in which it is alright to decapitate a pet, and then give someone the head in a box. I don't care if the girl dumped the guy, stole all his stuff, and then started having sex with the guys best friend. Chopping off a dogs head and putting it in a box is still seriously messed up. Freelancer is just trying to be an internet intellectual :downswords:


Well, if he internet-intellectual's like that in a courtroom, he's not going to impress anyone. :P
woot!
2007-03-19, 8:02 PM #30
If you killed my family, your pets and their heads are fair game. IMO
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 8:04 PM #31
Originally posted by Freelancer:
If you killed my family, your pets and their heads are fair game. IMO


Your opinion != how the law works.

You are taking this to an extreme, yet you're still wrong. I can see where you're coming from, but you cannot legally 'repay' criminal acts with criminal acts.
woot!
2007-03-19, 8:06 PM #32
Morally I don't agree with revenge. Two wrongs don't make a right and whatnot.

o.0
2007-03-19, 8:10 PM #33
seriously guys... what if this guy was just bringing this crystal girl some nice candy and a "battery operated device" :ninja: and upon reaching her house finds the dog decapitated in the front yard and not being able to break the bad news in person he has a nervous break down takes the "battery operated device" out of the package and places the dog head in it for safe keeping and leaves it on the porch for crystal and then flees in a state of hysteria? i think you guys are judging this guy way too harshly. and no i am not serious.

this is some sick ****
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2007-03-19, 8:11 PM #34
Originally posted by JLee:
Your opinion != how the law works.
.........

Which is precisely why I said "IMO" and made no claim as to how the law works..........
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 8:13 PM #35
Originally posted by Freelancer:
.........

Which is precisely why I said "IMO" and made no claim as to how the law works..........


I see. Well, I would not recommend pursuing actions according to your opinion. :)
woot!
2007-03-19, 8:16 PM #36
Well, not at least until society is molded to my every whim. :hist101:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-19, 8:17 PM #37
I've been to Minnesota several times. My favorite city is Duluth.

As for the dog head, I wonder if it tastes good.
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2007-03-19, 8:27 PM #38
Two wrongs don't make a right if this was provoked, Free. I thought this was pretty basic knowledge.
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2007-03-19, 8:52 PM #39
yep, Minnesota's metro area has some strraaaaaange persons
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2007-03-19, 8:57 PM #40
I am very confused about the debate going on in this thread. From what I can tell, Freelancer's thought process must have gone something like this:

"Someone stole this girl's dog, cut it's head off, and then delivered it to her in a box? Wow, she must be a huge ***** to deserve that!"

Is it possible that the person who gave her the candy and severed head might just be crazy?
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