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Oh, those crazy Minnesotans
2007-03-19, 9:00 PM #41
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Is it possible that the person who gave her the candy and severed head might just be crazy?

Sure it's possible...almost anything is possible...
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2007-03-19, 9:18 PM #42
No matter what SHE did the DOG doesn't deserve it.
2007-03-19, 9:32 PM #43
Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
Two wrongs don't make a right if this was provoked, Free. I thought this was pretty basic knowledge.


Oh, please. Save me your moral-uppity one-liners. It's a whole different ball game when you're actually in the situation.
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2007-03-19, 10:04 PM #44
Wow, someone was either really crazy, or really pissed. Or both.
2007-03-19, 10:31 PM #45
Free, can we at least agree that she was probably not the haloed innocent the article painted her to be but it's very unlikely that she deserved the head of her dog being fit wrapped and given to her?
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2007-03-20, 4:40 AM #46
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Oh, please. Save me your moral-uppity one-liners. It's a whole different ball game when you're actually in the situation.


He's right, Free...whether you agree or not..
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2007-03-20, 4:44 AM #47
Damn you Americans are nuts.
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2007-03-20, 5:35 AM #48
Did alice highjack freelancer's account?
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2007-03-20, 6:16 AM #49
If so, then it must have happened a looooong time ago....
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2007-03-20, 1:49 PM #50
What if they found the dog dead already, and then decapitated it?
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2007-03-20, 2:16 PM #51
That might actually be worse. At least, as for the gross out factor.
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2007-03-20, 2:31 PM #52
i agree with freelancer in that she must have done something to piss off whoever did it. free never said the action was justified, and i'm not saying that either. its an overreaction on the part of the freak who did this.
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2007-03-20, 2:40 PM #53
Did Crystal give head to police?
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2007-03-20, 2:45 PM #54
Originally posted by Isuwen:
That might actually be worse. At least, as for the gross out factor.


Indeed... I mean it's one thing to actually kill the dog in a fit of revenge or something.

But to find a dead dog (owned by someone you know), then say "Hey guys, you know what'd be REALLY funny?" is something else. They're both pretty gross.
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2007-03-20, 3:15 PM #55
I think I should apologize for my previous post. I'm a bad, bad person.
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2007-03-20, 3:19 PM #56
Freelancer is simply trolling for a fight. He knows the act could in no way be justified. The only thing that might be close to justifying it is if the girl did the exact same act to the person who possibly retaliated. Even then, the only action that seems justified is a direct attack upon the perpetrator. Not a disgusting act upon an animal. The perpetrator is no better than muslim extremists that do similar things to people.
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2007-03-20, 3:22 PM #57
Originally posted by Wookie06:
the act could in no way be justified.

I said many times I disagree and I explained why.
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2007-03-20, 3:25 PM #58
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I said many times I disagree and I explained why.


So you're justifying a felony? Try explaining that to a judge.
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2007-03-20, 3:28 PM #59
Originally posted by JLee:
So you're justifying a felony?

That's right.
Originally posted by JLee:
Try explaining that to a judge.

I don't see what that would accomplish. I don't mean it's justified legally. I'm arguing it's justified morally or philosophically.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-20, 3:34 PM #60
Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
Indeed... I mean it's one thing to actually kill the dog in a fit of revenge or something.

But to find a dead dog (owned by someone you know), then say "Hey guys, you know what'd be REALLY funny?" is something else. They're both pretty gross.


That doesn't make any sense. Killing the dog and then decapitating it (or by decapitating it) is the same thing with the added level of dog murder.
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2007-03-20, 3:44 PM #61
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That's right.

I don't see what that would accomplish. I don't mean it's justified legally. I'm arguing it's justified morally or philosophically.


I do believe that statement could only come from one with a twisted moral standpoint.
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2007-03-20, 3:46 PM #62
Originally posted by JLee:
I do believe that statement could only come from one with a twisted moral standpoint.


I believe that this response could only come from one with a twisted moral standpoint.
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2007-03-20, 3:46 PM #63
How am I morally twisted just because I think legality doesn't always mesh with morality? That seems like common sense to me.
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2007-03-20, 3:48 PM #64
Originally posted by Freelancer:
How am I morally twisted just because I think legality doesn't always mesh with morality? That seems like common sense to me.


Because murdering someone's innocent pet could not, in my opinion, be justified by anything.
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2007-03-20, 3:49 PM #65
Originally posted by JLee:
Because murdering someone's innocent pet could not, in my opinion, be justified by anything.


What if it was to feed your starving family?
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2007-03-20, 3:55 PM #66
Who cares about feeding a starving family?

I'm saying the dog-beheader himself may be justified, given the proper circumstances.
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2007-03-20, 3:55 PM #67
Originally posted by Zojombize:
What if it was to feed your starving family?


I've seen enough people living off of welfare to know that is not a reasonable scenario.

And you know exactly what I'm trying to say. But if you want to screw around with off-topic and unreasonable situations, I guess I shall have to rephrase my statement. Because murdering someone's innocent pet and giving the owner the head in a box could not, in my opinion, be justified by anything. Better? And I'd still arrest you..

Originally posted by Freelancer:
Who cares about feeding a starving family?

I'm saying the dog-beheader himself may be justified, given the proper circumstances.


Which circumstances do you believe would be justified, then?
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2007-03-20, 3:56 PM #68
Well, if it comes to that, it would be ...sorta justified. Depending on the emergency (like trapped in a car under a pile of snow?)

But gruesomely killing a person's innocent dog and taking it's head to send it as a morbid "gift" for it's owner is not even remotely justifiable as a sane idea. The motive would make sense, but the level of violence and insanity in such an act warrants nothing.
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2007-03-20, 3:57 PM #69
And as I said earlier, the cuter the beheaded, the more extreme the reaction.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-20, 3:58 PM #70
Originally posted by Freelancer:
And as I said earlier, the cuter the beheaded, the more extreme the reaction.


:confused:

What are these "proper circumstances" you speak of..? Keep it realistic, because if she beheaded someone's dog, I'd bet that it would've been in the news too...
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2007-03-20, 4:01 PM #71
As I said earlier, if you killed my family, your pets and their heads are fair game. No question at all.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-20, 4:03 PM #72
Originally posted by Freelancer:
As I said earlier, if you killed my family, your pets and their heads are fair game. No question at all.


And you believe it is reasonable to expect that this 17yo girl killed someone's family?
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2007-03-20, 4:06 PM #73
It's not probable, but it's possible. And that is exactly what I mean by saying "given the proper circumstances" -- there is a tiny chance Crystal did something astronomically heinous to the dog-beheader -- therefore, IMO -- morally justifying the dog-beheader's act of beheading Crystal's dog and sending its head to her in a box.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-20, 4:11 PM #74
Originally posted by Freelancer:
It's not probable, but it's possible. And that is exactly what I mean by saying "given the proper circumstances" -- there is a tiny chance Crystal did something astronomically heinous to the dog-beheader -- therefore, IMO -- morally justifying the dog-beheader's act of beheading Crystal's dog and sending its head to her in a box.


I still believe this would be an improper (as well as immoral, illegal, etc) course of action.

Regardless, it looks like neither of us are going to change our stance on the issue.
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2007-03-20, 4:13 PM #75
I think the point is not to say that killing a dog for the purposes of revenge isn't wrong. The point is to show that morality is relative. Moral facts do not exist.
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2007-03-20, 4:18 PM #76
Originally posted by Zojombize:
I think the point is not to say that killing a dog for the purposes of revenge isn't wrong. The point is to show that morality is relative. Moral facts do not exist.


Again, I do not believe that it can be morally justified to behead a pet and give the head to its owner in a box. Period.

Unless your definition of morality is like a set of scales -- e.g. someone does 'level 10 badness' to someone, so you are more than justified in doing say 'level 7 badness' back to them? Again, I believe that to be wrong.

Obviously I see things differently than some of you.
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2007-03-20, 4:20 PM #77
Originally posted by Zojombize:
I think the point is not to say that killing a dog for the purposes of revenge isn't wrong. The point is to show that morality is relative. Moral facts do not exist.


Screw that. I'm saying revenge is morally justifiable given the right circumstances.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-03-20, 4:21 PM #78
Originally posted by JLee:
Again, I do not believe that it can be morally justified to behead a pet and give the head to its owner in a box. Period.

Unless your definition of morality is like a set of scales -- e.g. someone does 'level 10 badness' to someone, so you are more than justified in doing say 'level 7 badness' back to them? Again, I believe that to be wrong.

Obviously I see things differently than some of you.


I don't know, while it is clearly not what happened in this case, if you were paid tens of thousands of dollars by some twisted person to do it, and then gave the money to some lifesaving charity you might be justified.
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2007-03-20, 4:23 PM #79
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Screw that. I'm saying revenge is morally justifiable given the right circumstances.


I am saying anything is morally justifiable given the right circumstances.
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2007-03-20, 4:24 PM #80
Originally posted by Zojombize:
I don't know, while it is clearly not what happened in this case, if you were paid tens of thousands of dollars by some twisted person to do it, and then gave the money to some lifesaving charity you might be justified.


I thought we were discussing this case...not 'how many outlandish scenarios could Zojombize come up with'.

And I still wouldn't do it. Call me a softie, but I couldn't do that to anyone.

Originally posted by Zojombize:
I am saying anything is morally justifiable given the right circumstances.


Anything? That's a dangerous word.
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