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Oh, those crazy Minnesotans
2007-03-21, 7:00 AM #121
If you horribly killed all my friends and family, I would not be morally entitled to any revenge.

If such a thing happened, I might think I was entitled, but I'd be wrong.

The act of decapitating a pet and then presenting it as a gift is an action deliberately designed to cause severe emotional trauma, it is not acceptable under any circumstances. If you disagree you need to seriously take a long hard look at yourself.
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2007-03-21, 7:52 AM #122
Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
Last time I checked, dogs aren't on the menu.


I thought some foreign countries served dog?
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2007-03-21, 7:56 AM #123
"To Serve Dog"

IT'S A COOOOOOOOOOOKBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!

And, yes, the most valid argument I've seen presented is that, regardless of what the girl did, I don't think the dog was a willing accomplice. Poor dog. :(
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2007-03-21, 10:46 AM #124
Originally posted by Detty:
If you horribly killed all my friends and family, I would not be morally entitled to any revenge.

If such a thing happened, I might think I was entitled, but I'd be wrong.

The act of decapitating a pet and then presenting it as a gift is an action deliberately designed to cause severe emotional trauma, it is not acceptable under any circumstances. If you disagree you need to seriously take a long hard look at yourself.

my thoughts exactly
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2007-03-21, 10:54 AM #125
Originally posted by Isuwen:
Justice good, revenge bad. Simple, really.

Of course, I wasn't saying otherwise. But since Freelancer doesn't seem to think so, I bumped it up to a level where it should contradict even his morals.
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2007-03-21, 11:50 AM #126
According to the internet, the person (notice the gender neutral, a lot of people assume it's a male) who killed the dog is the worst human being ever. Something of a mega-Pol Pot, with a solid dash of Hitler for good measure. You should see what people were saying on digg about this. Must have a 1000+ comments.

I mean, yeah, it's disgusting. It's singularly heinous. It never deserved it. But it's also just a dog, and worse things are done to human beings all the time. I'm certainly not condoning behavior like this, but I don't see why people are so emotionally reactionary about the death of an animal. Of the reactions I've seen, Crystal's feelings and experience are a secondary consideration to the death of the dog.
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2007-03-21, 11:57 AM #127
...because dogs are cute.
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2007-03-21, 12:12 PM #128
AHA! but what if the dog and the girl were in on some horrible crime together? say if the dog killed a baby and the girl cooked and ate it... then the enraged parent takes vengeance on the dog and leaves the head as a kind of "your next" thing... :psyduck:
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2007-03-21, 1:08 PM #129
Originally posted by stat:
but I don't see why people are so emotionally reactionary about the death of an animal.

If you want to open your own practice for psychotherapy someday, I'd think you'd already know the answer. ;)
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2007-03-21, 1:18 PM #130
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2007-03-21, 2:10 PM #131
Originally posted by stat:

but I don't see why people are so emotionally reactionary about the death of an animal.


Because people become very attached to pets. They are friends who will never let loose the secrets you tell them, hang on to your every word, enjoy your company, etc. They are there just to be your friend, where as a human friend wouldn't sit there waiting for you to come home, they would have other things to do.
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2007-03-21, 2:12 PM #132
Originally posted by Emon:
If you want to open your own practice for psychotherapy someday, I'd think you'd already know the answer. ;)


I understand the reasons for feeling that way, but I still find it irrational.

This is a great news story, it's got a mix of everything to make it perfectly sensational.
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2007-03-21, 2:17 PM #133
Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
Because people become very attached to pets. They are friends who will never let loose the secrets you tell them,


you have obviously never seen those "Bush's Baked Beans" commercials...
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2007-03-21, 3:38 PM #134
Let me say this. Although on some level I feel for the dog, every 2.43 seconds a human dies from starvation. Considering that we all don't give a **** about that, I think it is foolish for people to come at an issue such as this as if we have a solid unquestionable moral system in place.
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2007-03-21, 3:52 PM #135
Originally posted by Zojombize:
Let me say this. Although on some level I feel for the dog, every 2.43 seconds a human dies from starvation. Considering that we all don't give a **** about that, I think it is foolish for people to come at an issue such as this as if we have a solid unquestionable moral system in place.


We can't as easily relate to starvation because of where we live.
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2007-03-21, 4:13 PM #136
Originally posted by Glyde Bane:
We can't as easily relate to starvation because of where we live.


Did you intend this to be normative?

It is true but I think its more that we can't relate as easily because if we did, we would be to held responsible to change our way of life.
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2007-03-21, 4:17 PM #137
Originally posted by Zojombize:
Let me say this. Although on some level I feel for the dog, every 2.43 seconds a human dies from starvation. Considering that we all don't give a **** about that, I think it is foolish for people to come at an issue such as this as if we have a solid unquestionable moral system in place.


Unless I'm misunderstanding you -- by your logic, rather than acpturing and prosecuting serial killers, murderers, rapists and other violent felons, we should let them run rampant and utilize the resources saved to combat starvation -- because more lives would be saved?
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2007-03-21, 4:17 PM #138
Originally posted by Zojombize:
Let me say this. Although on some level I feel for the dog, every 2.43 seconds a human dies from starvation. Considering that we all don't give a **** about that, I think it is foolish for people to come at an issue such as this as if we have a solid unquestionable moral system in place.


That's nice and all, but that wouldn't stop anyone from debating the morality subjects behind this case. Plus, this could be a microcosm of bigger issues.
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2007-03-21, 9:59 PM #139
Originally posted by Zojombize:
Let me say this. Although on some level I feel for the dog, every 2.43 seconds a human dies from starvation. Considering that we all don't give a **** about that, I think it is foolish for people to come at an issue such as this as if we have a solid unquestionable moral system in place.


Let's also remember that dogs are smart enough to go find their own food and not wait for some corrupt humanitarian organization or warlord to come feed them.
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2007-03-21, 10:34 PM #140
Originally posted by JLee:
Unless I'm misunderstanding you -- by your logic, rather than acpturing and prosecuting serial killers, murderers, rapists and other violent felons, we should let them run rampant and utilize the resources saved to combat starvation -- because more lives would be saved?


Well the point was mostly to illustrate the complexity and relativity of morality. To answer the question though there are definitely better places to take resources from than the funds used to fight violent crime. Also I think It would be very hard to predict how much violence would increase without punishment as a deterrent. If it actually would save more lives I would be for it though (again impossible to know).

Originally posted by Echoman:
That's nice and all, but that wouldn't stop anyone from debating the morality subjects behind this case. Plus, this could be a microcosm of bigger issues.


I didn't intend to try to stop the debate surrounding the subject, just to show that morality is quite complex and that our moral systems often contradict themselves.

Originally posted by Wookie06:
Let's also remember that dogs are smart enough to go find their own food and not wait for some corrupt humanitarian organization or warlord to come feed them.


Not really sure what you're saying here, but 85% of those who starve to death are children, and I don't think you can dismiss all humanitarian organizations as corrupt.
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2007-03-21, 10:35 PM #141
Originally posted by JLee:
Unless I'm misunderstanding you -- by your logic, rather than acpturing and prosecuting serial killers, murderers, rapists and other violent felons, we should let them run rampant and utilize the resources saved to combat starvation -- because more lives would be saved?


exactly

well actually, I think that's a great idea...
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2007-03-26, 7:10 PM #142
Updates from another forum:

Quote:
Courtesy of CNN.com

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (AP) -- A 24-year-old man has been arrested, suspected of cutting the head off of a 17-year-old girl's pet dog and leaving it at her front door in a gift-wrapped box.

The man, who is expected to be arraigned Friday, was being held on suspicion of terrorist threats. Police said he may be charged with animal cruelty.

"I think I can sleep a lot better now," said Crystal Brown. "It will make me feel way safer. Now we can walk around the whole block."

Crystal was devastated last month when Chevy, her 4-year-old Australian shepherd mix, went missing.

Two weeks after the dog disappeared, a gift box addressed to Crystal was found at the front door of a house she shares with her grandmother.

Inside, Crystal found Valentine's Day candy and a garbage bag containing her pet's head.

Police said the man they arrested lived a few blocks from Crystal and may have had a romantic interest in the girl.

The case drew widespread media attention. The television show "America's Most Wanted" posted the case on its Web site, and donations pushed a $2,500 reward offered by the Humane Society of the United States to $20,000.


Quote:
MN Man Charged In Dog Beheading
A St. Paul man has been charged with animal cruelty and torture for allegedly beheading a dog.

Anthony Gomez is accused of leaving the dog's head in a gift-wrapped box on the doorstep of the dog's 17-year-old owner, Crystal Brown.

The girl's grandmother says Gomez and Brown once dated, and that he became jealous when she began dating someone else.

The dog disappeared last month. The package arrived two weeks later, containing Valentine's Day candy and the dog's head.

The complaint says Gomez's cell phone contained video clips of a dog having its head cut off by a chain saw. The complaint alleges Gomez admitted it happened in his basement, but claimed others decapitated the dog and sent the head to Brown.

His bail is set at 25-thousand dollars.
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2007-03-26, 7:30 PM #143
You mean he really was just a jealous, insane *******? She isn't an evil, murdering *****? Amazing!
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2007-03-26, 7:51 PM #144
Originally posted by Chaz Ghostle:
You mean he really was just a jealous, insane *******? She isn't an evil, murdering *****? Amazing!


Now why didn't we think of that?!

:psyduck:
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2007-03-26, 7:59 PM #145
It's kind of obvious that it was an ex boyfriend.

I want to know if the dog was alive when he chainsawed it. I hate crappy news reporting.
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2007-03-26, 8:05 PM #146
This simply reinforces my point that this isn't some random whacko.
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2007-03-26, 8:08 PM #147
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This simply reinforces my point that this isn't some random whacko.


However, it does not reinforce that she might have murdered someone's family. :neckbeard:



:P
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2007-03-26, 8:10 PM #148
I never said she did. I said there was a very small chance she might have. :v:
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2007-03-26, 8:11 PM #149
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I never said she did. I said there was a very small chance she might have. :v:


I never said you said she did! So there! :hist101:

:P

lol...I'm going to bed. G'night all. :)
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2007-03-27, 4:29 PM #150
Why is this thread still on the main page
2007-03-27, 7:01 PM #151
Originally posted by money•bie:
Why is this thread still on the main page


Because you didn't leave it alone long enough for it to disappear, of course... :colbert:
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2007-03-27, 8:34 PM #152
Originally posted by JediKirby:
It's kind of obvious that it was an ex boyfriend.

I want to know if the dog was alive when he chainsawed it. I hate crappy news reporting.


supposedly from what i've read in the Star Tribune, someone recorded the chainsawing and it was dead at the time.
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2007-03-28, 3:22 AM #153
I'm glad to see those terrorist laws are being put to good use...
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