[ THREAD MERGED - There's only 2 more episodes left and pretty much the same "omg, what will happen?!" comments will appear in the next few threads as the last few, so let's just dump that all in here. - Roach]

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First, what's with that scar on Peter? Is that the result of an injury so grievous not even Clair's power could heal it? Such as Hiro slicing the side of his head clean off, while attempting to stop the explosion, as shown in the comic?

Also, Sylar!

And the Hatian really didn't need to die like that.

Yeah, the Haitian's death was kinda lame, but I *really* wish we could've seen that Peter-Sylar fight play out a bit. Peter looks totally badass

Epic.

It needs to be next Monday already.

Omg, Sylar!

It's taking up precious time that could be used for Drive.

Which I just learned only has two more episodes left. Airing in the summer.

Yay Fox network.

I love Hiro.

"Don't worry, New York! I am going to save you!"

The preview for next week kind of bothered me. First they say that this new girl is the only one that can kill Sylar, then they show Hiro about to strike Sylar with his sword. If Hiro isn't the one to bring him down, he could be in for some big trouble. If Hiro dies, I am just gonna snap.

Do we still need spoiler tags this far into the thread?

So I loved this episode, a lot. But there's too much confusion. Sylar didnt die when Hiro stabbed him supposedly because he had killed Claire and taken her power. Sylar was RUMORED to be the exploding man (whoever the genius was around here who showed "proof" that it was Sylar from the last episode is WRONG!) but it is, in fact, Peter. Does future Hiro know that it was Peter, or does he believe it was Sylar? If he was just mistaken in how he thought he could save the world, it would make sense. He thought saving Claire would ultimately stop the bomb, but Claire is still alive 5 years later and the bomb went off anyway! And Sylar is still alive despite being stabbed by Hiro without a healing power. WTF! There's just so many loopholes that I hope will be cleared up in the next 3 episodes.

Oh btw, whoever thought the Hatian could only block mental powers (telepathy and Eden's power) was also WRONG since he also disables Hiro's and Peter's powers.

BTW I wonder where Peter and Sylar get those M. Bison glowing fist powers. Perhaps they are Ted's power kept under control? Then why were Sylar's fists blue? I wouldn't think EMP fists would be very damaging on a human...

i thought sylar's fists almost had an ice thing going...

It seems likely that Hiro did not, actually, stab Sylar at all. It's possible that he stabbed the shape changing girl, or Peter using her power. Peter could survive the stab, after all.

And also, in the preview, Hiro had time frozen and then Sylar looked at him anyway. Whoa!

Can we make a list of people Peter (not future) has met?

Hiro
Isaac
Nathan
Claire
Parkman
Sylar

Ones I'm not sure about:
Nikki
Eden
Linderman

Dont forget Claude, his mom (power to be revealed), and the Haitian on the rooftop, but the Haitian doesnt seem keen on using his powers on the Petrelli family.

Wow. Even though I love watching this show, I've criticized it before as not being of particularly high quality. No longer. That was easily the best hour of TV I've seen this year.



It's okay... now he won't!

Which one is Claude again?

The invisible man

The episode was awesome, but if Peter exploded... How come he's still alive in the future? Both him and Sylar are alive, and yet the bomb still went off. Also, Sylar is president. Haha.

this is how it goes down.

Orginal timeline.

Sylar kills Claire, gains her power. At some point Hiro meets and fights sylar, fatally stabbing him with his sword, but he regenerates and is able to absorb teds power and eventually blow up half of new york, Sylar is presumed dead in the explosion.

Nathan is voted into office (most likely because of Linderman and Niki's son altering the votes electronicly, Micha can manipulate technology afterall. I assume thats why linderman wants him.) shortly after he's elected Super-humans are revealed to the world and the linderman act is established to round up potential threats, HRG's organization becomes part of homeland security and Bennet has a change of heart, harboring innocent supers and turning over potentialy threatening ones to homeland security.

The heroes go underground as they are treated with hate and looked at as terrorists, the world fears another super human coming to power and nathan manipulates this to his favor and keeps office.

Altered timeline.

The heroes succed in saving claire, somehow Sylar avoids being killed by hiro and instead dissapears, there is a battle in newyork against sylar and peter somehow becomes the bomb in an attempt to destroy sylar for good.

Sylar manages to get away and peter survives the explosion due to his healing factor.

Changing timeline.

The orginal timeline is now tainted, what should have been is twisted and changed as the old timeline becomes the new timeline. Claire who was suppose to be dead is suddenly alive much to everyones supprise.

At some point Sylar kills nathan, takes over his power and his presidency by killing Candice and taking her shapeshifting ability. Because he's the president, he has direct access to "hostile" supers and takes their powers. etc etc.

things that were not suppose to happen in the orginal timeline are leaking in from the altered timeline, such as sylars death in the bomb now allowing him to be alive.

it's confusing, but what ever was changed in the past is leaking into the future.

Now *there's* an interesting mind**** to wrap your head around..

Peter wouldn't even need a healing power to survive the explosion if he's like Ted in that the explosions dont hurt him. The smaller explosions that Ted has had are not of the magnitude of the New York bomb, but you saw what he did to Claire right before she tranqulized him. She was burnt to a crisp, and Ted didnt have a scratch on him.

Burns don't scratch you.

I was the "genius" that said Sylar might be the bomb. And he may yet still be. Somehow Linderman is involved in the bombing as well, as he has said as much himself.

Sylar is Linderman's pawn?

I watched the episode again and it appears That Peter met Claire's mom rather than using Ted's nuclear fists in his fight with Sylar. Sylar could've been using ice fists... it would make sense, but from whom would he get this power?

Also, I should have forseen that Nathan was really Sylar in that episode when he's lecturing Suresh about how he got elected to make tough decisions 'cus he knows how things work.. Sylar's little motto.

Umm, I don't think so. Future Peter said himself that he was responsible.

And no, Linderman's not exactly involved in the bombing.. At least not directly. He just knows what's going to happen due to Isaac's paintings, and is basically just not trying to stop it, because he sees it as a good thing. He's more or less just following the script that Isaac laid out for him.

And Grant, I think you're probably spot on about Micah's role in manipulating the election. And if you're not then you should be.

In one of the first episodes with Parkman, they are investigating a murder with forks all stuck in the stairway bannister and ice on one of the chairs.
That's where I'm guessing he got it.

Okay, yeah, you're right about Linderman.

However, Future Peter's timeline is all gimped up - hence the nasty scar because Future Peter never met Claire. So just because he's the bomb in the gimped timeline, doesn't mean he's the bomb in the fixed timeline. But then again, I really don't care who the bomb is. I was just guessing anyway.

We're probably all wrong - Ted will just get pissed and blow the whole city up because he didn't have enough change to ride the bus.

Well, I think it's easier to assume he got it off of Ted. Unless Claire's mom comes back from Mexico. Not that it really matters, as we probably won't see the future heroes again. And as for Sylar's ice power, you get to see the aftermath of it in the...first episode? Maybe the second? Whenever we see Parkman for the first time at the murder scene.

It was pretty obvious that it was a fire and ice thing going on.

I don't think you're right about them being in a timeline where Peter never saved Claire, because, quite simply, Claire's ALIVE. The bomb went off anyway. Which means that Future Hiro is wrong. He think's Sylar's responsible because that's the lie that Nathan (or perhaps Sylar posing as Nathan) spread (as confirmed in this episode). He also knows that he had an oppurtunity to kill Sylar before, but he failed because Sylar had taken Claire's power and thus healed.

The thought process is:
1) Sylar is responsible for the explosion.
2) We can stop the explosion by killing Sylar before it occurs.
3) I would have been able to kill Sylar before the explosion, but failed because he had taken Claire's power.
4) If someone protects Claire from Sylar, he'll never get her power, I'll be able to kill him, and the explosion will never happen.

However, if item 1) is wrong, then the other assumptions are invalid, and thus Future Hiro whole plan for stopping the explosion is invalid which explains why the explosion still happened, even though Peter saved Claire.

Even so I see two problems with this theory.
1. Why doesn't Future Hiro just go back and kill Sylar before he ever takes his first power (or barring that, at least go back and save Claire himself? It would have been far easier for Future Hiro to do, than Original Peter)?
2. Since Claire's alive, and was therefore saved from Sylar, how did Sylar survive Hiro stabbing him?

2 is easy, we can just assume that he's got some power we don't know about (after all he's taken bullets before and walked away so there's no reason to assume he couldn't do the same with a sword wound (though that will make you wonder why Hiro ever assumed that Claire had anything to do with it in the first place). 1 on the other hand, I can't come up with a logical explanation. I would think there might be a limitation on how far back Hiro could go, but he went farther back to give the message to Peter (not to mention the possibility of him going back to the Jurassic era).

Anyway, thoughts?

When we first see future Hiro he does mention something to Peter about disrupting the time-space continuum, so maybe that has something to do with it.

As someone said, maybe it's not really Sylar that Hiro stabs/cuts, but the shapeshifter chick (although doubtful, because presumably Sylar kills her) or maybe even Peter.

Also, why does Peter have the scar if he can regenerate? And why is Bennet so surprised when Ando says that they can save his daughter... When in fact she's alive? Because if he wouldn't help him, she'd be dead? Or what?

Bennet wasn't alive because Ando didn't say that they can save his daughter, but that he DID save his daughter. As far as he knew up to that point, Peter saved her on a hunch or something. He didn't know future Hiro came back and told him to do it. He never knew that she died originally.

And I totally forgot about the ice man thing in the first or second episode. That explains that.

BTW Claire is smokin hot with the brown hair... but I cant pick which color I like better.

Ah, yeah, that's right. Hmm. I still wonder how Peter got the scar if he can regenerate, though.

EDIT: and another thing - if Parker (Parkman? Portman?) was always around the President, couldn't he have read his thoughts and find out that he was actually Sylar? Why didn't Sylar just kill him and take his power in the first place?

Sarn, Peter said it was him.

Firstly, I'm sure the scar will be explained at some point but maybe it's just that Peter chose to let it remain as a reminder of something.

Secondly, the Hiro and T-Rex painting was already fulfilled in the museum with the fake sword so we don't actually know if Hiro can really go that far back.

I think this is going to be ****ing epic next week.

This week was easily, EASILY the best hour of TV I have ever ever seen. Just wow.

This show melts faces

Also, I think it was Sylar's fault, but not in the average way. I think Sylar unleashes every power he has on Peter because he figures out how he works, and Peter can't control it the first time around. Thereafter Peter CAN control it.

Honestly, I think this is getting so convoluted it's beyond explanation. Awesome though, pure awesome.

This was kinda explained with my theory, In the future heroes timeline, Claire was dead, But Suddenly she is alive because past peter saved her.

The past is leaking into the future, it's not an instant change things happen slowly because of the past being altered.

The writers of Heroes seem to be dealing with time in a different way to how most other writers have done in recent big films and series, in fact its quite refreshing, but also far harder to keep track of.

Changes in the past only seem to effect those that would either be dead or alive in the future, i.e. it was the Peter of the past that saved Claire, got exposed to her powers and so it is only him that has access to them, not the future Peter.

The other big change will be when Slyar got the power from Ted, with no past Claire alive in this "messed" up future timeline its very unlikely that anyone would have been able to stop Ted going crazy at Bennets house...but then again who's to say that an event still occurred...or maybe it did occur as it should...or did in the "new" past with Claire alive, its hard to fathom how the writers are dealing with this.

Anyways, all that aside, Heroes is turning out to be one of the best series yet, next week's episode should be amazing.

Ah! Now it makes sense. Future Peter never met up with Claire, hence no regenerative power. However, Original Peter DID, and now Claire is alive when everyone thought she was dead.

But, Sylar, when opening Claire's can-o-brains, said he had been waiting for this for a long time. Meh - brain melt...

No, you are absolutely wrong. The future people aren't from a parallel timeline, any changes to the past are immediately reflected in the future. Future Peter did save Claire and gain her power, and Sylar doesn't have it. Bennet nudges Claire out of hiding, and it's only natural that she would go to her father, as he's the president.

And lets not forget : All of Isacc's paintings have come true. They are, so far, infallible. Therefore, I don't think they are going to stop the bomb at all. Perhaps it will happen in a different way. But that painting on the floor has to happen, or Isacc's power is totally invalidated.

Heroes sucks lol

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