yeah, go re-read my post. That's what I said. I'm arguing *against* it being Sylar and suggestiong that Hiro is operating on false information.

And there's no way that Claire was dead and then *suddenly became* alive. Because if that were the case, then Bennent wouldn't have known where to find her. Their meeting makes it apparent that he's been in contact with her on a fairly regular basis.

Then explain this, because I'm :downswords::

iirc, Future Hiro didn't know about going back to tell Peter to "save the cheerleader, save the world." And now, Future Hiro is dead, and therefore can't tell Peter anything.

At the start of the last episode Future Hiro had literally just come back from telling Peter to save Claire, he was suprised that nothing had changed. But maybe it had changed, maybe it changed from Sylar actually being the bomb to everyone just thinking it was Sylar.

Yeah, I think you recall incorrectly. Future Hiro seems confused because he was expecting things to have changed when he got back. But they didn't. (Which is further evidence to my theory that Future Hiro's just wrong and saving Claire didn't do squat to stop the explosion. More likely, Future Hiro traveling back in time to tell Peter to Save the Cheerleader was what set up the chain of events to cause the explosion.)

From what I've gathered, Future Hiro isn't experiencing any of the changes (shown because he still remembers Sylar regenerating with claire's power after being stabbed) but everything/everyone else does experience the changes (Claire's still alive and Sylar's still trying to get her)
The whole "Sylar was the bomb" thing was just propaganda/stories being spread to give the nation someone to blame besides Peter. Peter was the bomb the whole time, just no one survived to mention it to the news.
Thus, Future Hiro would believe that Sylar was the bomb, so he'd try to prevent Sylar from nuking. As we saw last week, this didn't work since Claire survived, but the nuke went off. Now Hiro knows something went wrong, so he's gonna go back, change something else (whether on purpose or by accident) which eventually saves the day.

Now some people are guessing that the bomb will go off since all of Isacc's paintings have come true, but if you think about it, Isacc painted The Haitian being killed by Suresh in the future timeline, but that shouldn't happen anymore... so Isacc's paintings happen... in certain timelines... so Future Hiro's Peter went nuclear, fulfilling the painting. Thus ours doesn't HAVE to, though some people believe that he will, though not necessarily in the city this time.

The painting clearly shows the City exploding.

Where did you get that Hiro doesn't know about Claire? He knows damn well that Peter saved her, that's why he gave the message to Peter in the first place. The only piece of information he's missing is that it was actually Peter who exploded.

They can't stop the bomb without invalidating Isac's powers. There is NO evidence that the future is some sort of alternate timeline. However, it might be that the timeline follows Hiro exclusively - and thus, anything he will have done after he went to the future hasn't actually happened because he hasn't gone back to the past and done them yet, and therefore, whatever he could have done to stop the bomb he hasn't done yet, from his perspective, so when he goes to the future, it didn't happen.

I still expect to see an explosion.

So Isuwen is about 40 different kinds of wrong, as per usual.

I'm thinking the whole "future leaking through" bit is the most plausible idea.

It's not necessarily the most plausible idea. It's just the one that's easiest to defend.

"How is Claire alive?"
-The future's leaking in slowly.

"How is Sylar not dead?"
-The future's leaking in slowly.

"Why is the grass green?"
-The future's leaking in slowly.

To me it's a cop-out. And I'll be fairly disappointed if the writer's use that as a "catch-all" explanation.

I don't really see how the changes are 'leaking' in. Future Hiro just miscalculated, and didn't get the results he was hoping for. He tell Peter to save Claire, who dies in his own timeline. He travels back to the future, and suddenly Claire's alive. All it means is that Claire isn't the key to stopping the explosion. Which likely means that Peter was the bomb in his timeline as well.

It's the most easily defended because it's the most plausible. Your attack on it was stupid, and without basis. Try again.

What Hiro really needs to do is go back and make Suresh kill Sylar when he had the chance >.>

It won't matter in another 36 hours. New episode.

Oh, rimshot! hurr.

Yes, and in the alternate time line the city exploded. Thus the painting's been fulfilled.


If he knew that Peter saved her then why did he ask Hiro "Did he do it? Did Peter save her?" This shows that he doesn't know the changes that have happened, even though they are now present in the future timeline.

Righto.

Well, they could knock him out... Claire stopped Ted with a tranquilizer.

I think there's plenty of evidence for an alternate timeline... for one, Hiro described a timeline he experienced in which Sylar killed Claire at her highschool, and as we saw, that's been changed. My theory is that when Hiro moves through time, he is separate from the timeline itself, thus any changes he makes will change everything around him, but he wont recall those changes happening. (and I think what you're saying is that the future we saw was before any changes that present Hiro is about to make, and I agree with that)

And that's why I mentioned the theory that the bomb will go off, though not necessarily in the city. Some people think Nathan will fly him out of the city just before he nukes. But as I said, it's just a theory

God I love this show.

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Molly said 'He looks into your soul and then eats your brains'. Now, I don't think this girl is the same one the cop found in the first episode, despite that being my first thought. If she actually witnessed Sylar doing his thing, maybe he DOES eat their brains. Creepy!

Also, did I miss something, or has Jessica/Nikki actually split into two separate people? When did this happen? Did I miss it because they happen to look exactly alike? If that's the case, it seems odd that Nikki would be the one with Micah. That's something I would expect of Jessica. It also leaves Nikki at a disadvantage. As far as we know, only the Jessica personality has super strength, and she doesn't seem capable of using it at will.

Nevermind, Nikki was Candice. It's still strange that DL kept referring to Nikki in third person - he obviously knows that's Jessica standing next to him, not Nikki.

Not as epic, but still cool. Sylar kills his first "innocent", and then goes off the deep end to believe that going nuclear is okay? So I take it he's thinking "The first one's the hardest", and so all bets are off?

Also, still tying to figure out what Micah's roll is, especially since he's just standing on a building wit his hands out. My best guess is trying to disable cell phones, but Wireless would be a better pick for that.

Think Ted fixes Hiro's sword? Radioactive sword maker?

So I watched the show for the first time tonight, and it's nothing but a glorified soap opera with superpowers. Sorry to say.

I've never seen the show so I might be [probably am] wrong, but judging by the ads I see on NBC, I'd have to agree.

You hate everything that is popular. Therefore, your opinion is invalid.

Your not entierly wrong. But I still enjoy it.

Actually, I thought of the Haitian too. Although the Haitian doesn't actually eat brains, he does look into people's souls, and he does steal their memories. Also, he has been in a lot of "evil" places giving him a reason to be called the boogeyman. Just a thought.

Watching the third to last episode of the season is not the best way to be introduced to it

It's a super hero drama, yes. We knew that.

With it so close to the end of the season, why did you even waste your time? It's way too late to try and get into it.

Jedikirby doesn't know what he's talking about.

When he watches TV, he thinks anyone who can walk has super powers.

Then he cries.

I'm having trouble seeing how Jessica/Nikki's "power" is nothing more than psychosis.

Can someone help me out here?

Jessica has super strength?

Do we really need a thread every week about this ****ing show?

yeah we do

Haha! That was actually really funny.

But seriously, if the 3rd to last episode of a show about superheroes doesn't have fight scenes and awesome, it's stupid.

It's an ensemble drama, not an action movie.

I mean, I don't watch it, but still.

I think you were looking for last weeks episode.

Every tv show could be said to be a soap opera, so why dont you try coming up with a better criticism...

It's like jumping into Lost at 2x17.

You're in the middle of the freaking show, you have no idea what's going on, and you don't care about the characters. If you watched from 1x01, however, you'd care about the character development that goes on, and so things that happen would have meaning.

I'll bet I wouldn't. I don't tend to care for dramas. Very few shows have the ability to give actual worth to their characters. Dramas are situational worth.

But I don't mean to bash the show. If you like that sort of thing, ok. but it's still a drama, and hardly a superhero show.

There is seriously no need for this thread when the previous thread is still on the first page.

Yes, this is a drama, and it is about superheroes... Kind of.

The characters aren't quite heroes yet, but they do have super powers. As a group they're still not very organized, and they're still learning the full range of their abilities. They don't have cool costumes, super hero names, etc. Imagine if a small amount of people in the real world, not some fantasy comic book world, suddenly developed powers. That is basically what this show is about. I'm sorry if you were expecting Justice League quality supers, but they're just not that advanced yet. Maybe someday.

This week's episode was very tame. I honestly was expecting a little more action. I was specifically looking forward to a bigger showdown between Hiro and Sylar. Oh well, next week's episode looks like it will be much more exciting.

Lost and Battlestar Galactica are two shows that give actual worth to their characters.

I can't speak for Heroes though, I don't watch. Just don't be quite so quick to judge.

I wonder if Claire will shoot Peter next week or what.

Also, Candice isn't a shape shifter, she's an illusionist. Neat.