Indicative that you have no idea what reality is. If you were on a PR tour and suddenly you were dropped with a bomb like OMG PLANES ARE HITTING THE WTC, you'd undoubtedly come to the conclusion that your life has just changed in a way that can never be undone. I'm pretty sure the first thing he thought was, "oh ****." He couldn't freak out in a classroom with children and news crews in front of him, so I can only imagine that he was trying to play it cool while he tried to figure out what the **** was going to happen next.

I know someone like you who used to be a pretty good friend of mine. His difference was that he hated Bush so much that he truly believed that he would inflict all this carnage on his own people just so that he could invade the Middle East. He also said that the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan should kill as many of our armed forces as possible, because we had no right to be there. This same friend served in the Army, but went AWOL because he wanted to go to a punk concert. Now he's in a local anarchy movement where he tries to conduct missions against the fur trade industry and will vandalize vehicles that have pro-Bush or military bumper stickers on them. He's a god damned idiot.

ZoSo, "What it looks to [you] like he knew" is completely invalid. You believe that he knew before, so you are interpreting body language with a vast number of possible meanings to suit the one you want to be true.

Believe what you want.

But this government has been running and imprisoning our lives for centuries and have been exploiting us politically, socially, religiously, and economically. There will soon be a MASSIVE eruption in Washington in which all of the Illuminatti secrets, tactics and origins will be revealed. The truth is going to be so calamitous and nauseating that the revelation of 9/11 being an inside job will seem like an unavailing divulgence.

"Well I'm sorry Steven, I am going to have to fail you. You didn't show up for the final."

"THE GOVERNMENT MADE ME DO IT!"

ZoSo? ZoSo, you there?

Holy crap! They got him!

Once more: what in the NIST FAQ supports anything you've said?

Oh, this is pretty much why I don't believe UFO stories. It's obviously a blimp, and SLATC doesn't use active radar, commercial aircraft broadcast their position to the tower.

You pretty much summed up your claims right here.

The link I originally had was an entirely separate article that must've been changed since I last read it. It was describing how some scientists believed a freefall with that sort of impact wouldnt be possible. The claims made on there against the questions asked are ridiculous anyways. They still dont even give an affirmitive answer as to why no-one was allowed near the wreckage and noone was able to examine it because it was cleaned up so damn fast.

o rly?

Well, why don't you refute them for us, since we're all complete dupes who believe them because, oh, they happen to make sense?



Do these things even require explanation? What compelling reason could they have for letting people muck about with the wreckage?

Not MUCK, but scientifically investigate and examine? Perhaps?

I dont know why your so quick to defend Bush and the government on this. If you believe the official story on 9/11, thats fine. My only intention is to warn people about the days ahead and the collapse of our government as we know it.

Um, could it be because of the various chemical health risks in the area? How about the loose ruble risks? How about the biological health risks from the thousands of bits and pieces of dead people in the wreckage? Oh, that's right, you have a source that said Bush planned it, silly me.


Fixed.

Care to demonstrate that any necessary or useful investigation wasn't done due to the speed of removal of the wreckage? No one can tell you why something wasn't done unless they know what you expected to be done. But as Roach said, I'd wager the reasons had something to do with the obvious health risks involved.



I don't give a damn about Bush and I'm counting the days until he leaves office, so you can skip the part of the conspiracy theorist litany where you try to smear me as a government stooge or a blinded Bush supporter. And we've been over the reasons I'm so quick to point out the obvious flaws in your arguments. I've been over them before with other people, I've investigated them, and there's no doubt in my mind that they're wrong. I'm doing this because I'd prefer you didn't believe things that are based on misrepresentations and outright fallacies.

Do you see what's happened in this thread? You've presented your claims. People have refuted them with evidence from independent sources. You've ignored that evidence in favor of clearly biased sources that lend no additional weight to your argument, and when pressed, you've reverted to the same old mantra of "I'm just trying to help, maybe one day you'll open your eyes."

You're not a prophet of society's impending collapse. You're not somehow more perceptive than the rest of us. You're certainly not more skeptical than the rest of us. You're just misinformed.

When did you last read it?

Hey I thought Deus Ex was a great game too, but it's not reality.

****ing ****, man, get a grip. You have absolutely no hard evidence for anything you've said. When we refute it, you just dodge the issue and say "believe what you want!! *oohweeooo* the truth is out there! :tinfoil:"

Thats really funny.

Considering the country is only about 230 years old. (If we aren't counting the first establishment of the colonies.

You're retarded.

So... this collapse in the days ahead... When we're still here , debating and chatting and whatnot on Massassi in 2 years, say, and nothing has happened, will you concede that you were wrong? Because if you turn out to be right, we will of course concede that we were.

Ah hah! That's a perfect example of why people do what they do. It gives their otherwise dull lives some kind of meaning. It's not a conscious process, but people like Unknown User can't grip with how dull their lives are, so they inject conspiracy theories to make it more romantic.

Psychology explains everything.

I most certainly would, but I WISH it wasnt true. I wish I was wrong and I could become the laughing stock of Star Wars forums around the world.

Congratulations! Your wish came true!

<3

Seriously, ZoSo... you act like you have to believe this stuff, but I don't understand why. If you're giving me all the same evidence that you've been shown, then it's obvious to me that no one has ever proven any of this to you. So what gives?

They kidnapped his sister when he was young, and has secretly been looking for her every since.

Your right, the evidence I have provided isnt really HARD and can be stripped down by opposing facts. I guess you can only go so far with YouTube and the internet, and I guess my real sources are ones nobody would every believe. Its hard for me to explain all this and I guess the ridicule caused me to backfire even more. But I think theres a massive corruption and wickedness going on with the world leaders and governments and September 11th is just another example. Honestly Im suprised no one else here has been able to see it or ready to realize it. Maybe all of my conspiracy threads were a bad way to go about bringing people to the TRUTH! And maybe I was too vain about it. But fortunately, you will be able to see it for yourselves very soon. Just watch for the signs. You will see MANY presidential and other political candidates begin dropping like flies out of the running as their true nature is revealed, some of them being the most popular and most revered. Then you will see countless exposures of the small term corruption, bribery, extortion and immorality going on in Washington. This will follow with the support for many "out there" conceptions and conspiracy theories by many respected figures, until some of the most noted and distinguished are forced to admit to the truth of 9/11. After this, some of the most astounding and unimaginable truths will be revealed. This will be so great and over-whelming that much of the Earth's population will recoil in disbelief, I hope you guys are not as skeptical about this information when its coming from the mouths of our leaders themselves.

Laugh at me and mock me all all you want for now, but remember these threads for as long as you can and remember how you shoved them out of your forums.

Just dissapointment I guess and frustration. I have really enjoyed this forum and all the people on it. Seriously its always been a blast. I just thought more people were ready is all. No hard feelings.



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Look, I think there are a few suspicious things about 9/11... but I'm not gonna go this far. That pentagon footage always did make me think a little bit, but then again, of course it looks small; it's not as though the pentagon is a double wide, now is it?

I'm not gonna go on some psychotic tangent saying the US government was responsible for 9/11, but I honestly don't see how they did anything at all to try to stop it from happening. Then again I would have simply done something erratic like shooting down the planes as soon as communication was lost and they changed direction. So that would have probably been a mistake and all... I just don't know.

The one theory I still cling to is the fabrication of the Flight 93 story. I think that is a bull**** lie. I am simply convinced that the plane was shot down. I know there's no way the US goverment will ever admit to this, but I'm cool with that, because it simply wouldn't look good.

ZoSo, in reality, is trying to push too much evil on the Bush admin. Granted, Karl Rove is an evil ******* that should probably spend the rest of his life in prison, and the rest of them at least deserve a good kick in the nuts, but I don't know about all of this stuff he's spouting.

The Iraq war on the other hand... that's a different story all together.

But I thought building 7 wasn't hit by a plane? It collapsed just to fire spread by debris?

Also, all of you are/were demanding for ZoSo's proof. What definitive proof do you have that says 9/11 played out as the government told you?

ZoSo has it all wrong, man. It's the reptillians. They live inside the earth, right, and they've been controlling the world since, like, forever. Because they're the Illuminati! Trust me I know, I was taken up in the mothership once. Not by the reptillians, it was the greys, but they're trying to protect us from the reptillians. The goverment knows about it because they sent those guys to Serpo in the 60s.

It's true. I've done years of research.

Then the X file being, looking like some kinda blue green Jackie chan, with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla chig champa, did a slow-mo Matrix decent outta the butt-end of the banana vessel, and hovered above my bug eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was, "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my ****in' pants!"

And after calming me down with some orange slices and some fetal spooning, E.T. revealed to me his singular purpose. He said. "You are the chosen one. The one who will deliver the message. A message of hope for those who choose to hear it, and a warning for those who do not." Me! The chosen one. They chose me! And I didn't even graduate from ****in' high school!

No one else is really saying they believe what the government has said about 9/11. Everyone is debunking what ZoSo is presenting as fact. There's a huge difference.

A) What are your real sources and why have you been using your fake ones until now?

B) Your explanation comes difficultly because it's nothing but intuition—you feel the American government destroyed the World Trade Center.



The Lynch Guide to Style and Grammar can explain this better than I:

[quote=Lynch Guide to Grammar and Style]

Generalizations.

Since the beginning of time, man has wrestled with the great questions of the universe. Humans have always sought to understand their place in creation. There is no society on earth that has not attempted to reckon with the human condition.

Balderdash. Generalizations like that are sure to sink your writing, because they almost always fall into one of two classes: the obvious and the wrong.

For starters, how do you know what has happened since the beginning of time? — is your knowledge of early Australopithecus robustus family structure extensive enough to let you compare it to Etruscan social organization? Have you read Incan religious texts alongside Baha'i tracts? Unless you've taken courses in omniscience, I'm guessing the answer's no. In that case, you're saying things you simply don't know, and certainly don't know any better than your audience. So it's either obvious to everyone, or a plain old lie.

Couching vacuous ideas in portentous prose impresses nobody. Simplicity, clarity, and precision will always win over ringing generalizations: don't think everything you write has to settle the mysteries of the ages in expressions worthy of Shakespeare.[/quote]

That's correct, yes.



Exhibit A: A big hole in the side of the Pentagon, with plane wreckage strewn all over the lawn.
Exhibit B: Clear footage of planes hitting the WTC towers.
Exhibit C: Records of phone conversations describing the hijackers.

I mean, what more do you want me to say? It's open-and-shut that an airliner hit the Pentagon. Photos show the debris. It's even more obvious that the WTC towers were hit by planes. The resulting fires weakened the steel supports and caused the collapse of the building -- no additional explanation for the collapse is required, despite intentional misleading claims about the melting point of steel being too high. And the majority of the phone conversations the 9/11 Commission relied on were conducted using airphones, making objections about whether cell phone calls could have been made from the planes almost entirely irrelevant.



I'm not sure whether this is true or not (I lean toward no), but unlike much of what's been discussed in this thread, it's at least a perfectly sane thing to believe. There's a clear motive for a shootdown and it's easy to understand why the government would deny it -- they'd rather have a story of heroism after a disaster like 9/11 than rub salt in the wound by admitting they shot down the plane.

That doesnt make me wrong. I was simply pointing out that it was an inside job. The fact that the US government is controlled by shape-shifting reptilians from the Draco constellation doesnt change that. You think Im going to gain any more popularity by adding something like that?

BTW - the Reptilians are considerably more advanced than the Zeta Reticuli Greys, and they could not protect us if they wanted to. Yet both have an alliance against us. The races trying to protect us are the Pleiadians, Andromadens, Lyrians and Sirians. But dont worry, all will come to fruition soon.

So... possibly the towers supports could have melted from the jet fuel. I'm not an engineer or chemist so I'm not sure but how can building 7 collapse just from catching fire?

(I'm not being argumentative, I just don't understand.)

So do pedophiles.

You might want to talk with Carp King, you're both deviants and would get along well.

Building 7 was struck with the molten debris of one of the collapsing towers

Well then DO SOME ****ING RESEARCH.

WIKIPEDIA SOLVES YOUR QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE BEFORE IT BEGINS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_7

You don't have to be mean.

And wiki even says it's iffy.

ZoSo's NIST link has the current working theory on the WTC 7 collapse at #14; they say it could have been "fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column." The supports wouldn't have melted entirely, but they could have lost strength due to heat or just been damaged by the impact of debris. Likely a combination of the two, since none of the other buildings hit by debris collapsed.

They're still investigating this because they had to study the two main towers first, but they haven't found any evidence of controlled demolition. Besides, I'm unable to think of a single explanation for why the government would want to demolish WTC 7. For most Americans, even if they heard that the building collapsed, it never even registered consciously. There'd just be no point.

I know. I'm not saying the government did it. I just think it's something that needs explaining before saying it is or isn't a conspiracy.