Right, I understand that. All I'm trying to do is explain.

Let us consider the fact that my post wasn't serious in any way. Half of my post (the inner-earth dwelling reptillians that apparently rule us) is a conspiracy theory I had heard of. The rest I made up. I wasn't really making any kind of point, but conspiracy theories are widely known to be full of crap because they rarely ever present any real evidence. I haven't actually checked any of the links you've posted, but I'm going to guess it's probably just other people saying "this is how it is" without providing any of their own evidence. That is the most common way these things are presented, and that's what I did. I presented a retarded theory with no supporting evidence aside from my assurance I'd been taken aboard a spacecraft and done years of research. The corrolation between my fiction and your warped perception of reality is that you're presenting an illogical and extremely complicated reasoning of a well understood event. I might say Kennedy wasn't assassinated, and that what actually happened is that in the future someone else was being assassinated but the bullet entered a time-rift and ended up in 1963 Dallas.

However, from your response I am thinking you're either on some kind of mad trolling binge or are even more stupid than I took you for initially. Regardless of which, arguing this topic with you is clearly a pointless endeavour and I'm not going to bother.

tl;dr kennedy was assassinated by time-travellers

This is why the internet is bad. It fuels fools like you who have nothing better to do than read crackpot theories. I'd suggest trying to make some friends in the real world, or pick up some hobbies. Ever consider knitting? You could make some badass hats and sell them on the internet (on second thought, somewhere along the way you'd find some OMG YARN IS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY SENT TO CONTROL OUR LIVES theory).

Hahahahaha, well, of course that's where alien reptiles would come from.


Only if you were joking.


Which one is it that the Bush family listens to again? I always get this part confused.

I thought you didn't like that album?

He'd just line them with tinfoil

Oh well, so he's banned.

For further reading see these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory_%28film%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_files

Oh, and possibly my signature.

This thread is funny. I can't help but think there is more at work here than greed as a primary motivator in forcing the population into a hedonistic, consumer driven society where we are bombarded by advertisements for products everywhere we go to the point where material gain and wealth become the main goal in life, which is simply the Illuminati plan to drive us into a submissive state

fo serial

Really funny thread, though. Poor poor Zoso.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man, BEST ban ever.

I do, I just like other ones better.

Did anyone else notice that this is basically the exact plot of the Lone Gunmen pilot?

Well, from a certain point of view I agree with that.

i think conspiracy theories are interesting, but i have never heard one that was so convincing that i believed it.

So... this thread was basically just one big troll?


Also, didn't one of the towers kind of part way fall on building 7? I remember during the event that one of the announcers was saying that one of them collapsed on it self, and the other fell a bit more sideways, and that they were worried about the damaged sustain by building 7.

Probably.

Or he's one crazy ****ing hippy.

Clearly that one post about the reptilians from the Draco constellation was a joke. Even people that are bat-**** crazy know what sarcasm is.

It was fairly extraneous for a joke.

This pervading line of thought is the result of all the really absurd moon landing/alien/reptilian/tinfoil hat style conspiracies. Their complete absurdity conditions even intelligent people into associating them with the very concept of conspiracy theories. As a result, people are automatically inclined to disbelieve even plausible conspiracy theories. This is in fact the purpose of the moon landing/reptilianfnord/etc conspiracy theories. They are invented and spread by the Illuminati to establish belief in conspiracy theories as a taboo, so that truthful conspiracy theories will never be taken seriously.

No. I'm not that typical narrow minded skeptic you probably think I am. I read a lot of conspiracy theories because I read a lot of alternate history theories. Most of them are based on archaeological evidence. I'm not a new age fruitcake, I just find ancient history fascinating.

I have yet to see one conspiracy theory, supposed cover-up, or military secret that presents any factual, sourced information that is consistent. This is my personal experience because it is the norm, not just for the moon landing or aliens, but for all of them. The fact that you're trying to justify what I said with another conspiracy theory is completely ridiculous.

There are plenty of confirmed well-known conspiracies. Of course, they don't quite qualify as "conspiracy theories" since they are proven historical facts.

Of course there will be inconsistent information with conspiracy theories. By the very nature of conspiracies, information will be difficult to uncover consistently, especially when there's someone trying to cover it up with misinformation. The fact that you would dismiss conspiracy theories for such a weak reason as this affirms what I said in my previous post. You will use any reason you can find to dismiss a conspiracy theory so that you don't violate the taboo, and so you will not be associated with the tinfoil hat people.

It appears that ZoSo is a pawn of the Illuminati conspiracy I have described above. His purpose posting here, whether he realises it or not, was not to convince anyone of his conspiracies, but to affect how we instinctually respond to the idea of a conspiracy theory. And it works. If reading his posts didn't make you feel a little more adverse to conspiracy theories, it's because you've already been exposed to enough of that kind of thing to establish that taboo in your mind.

As was your joke, which he was responding/adding on to.

Apparently you're not getting this so I'll word it a different way.

I dismiss the theories that don't have any factual evidence. Most of them don't. Therefor I dismiss most of them. Having some guy say they saw a spacecraft or a grey alien or a ****ing yeti isn't factual evidence. It's anecdotal and it doesn't mean anything unless it can be backed up with something real.

On consistent evidence, I mean their own evidence. Quite obviously there would be inconsistencies between the truth and the "truth", but that isn't what I'm saying. Looking at something like the Magestic 12 theories or Serpo or something like that, their own "uncovered" evidence that supposedly supports their claims contains lots of inconsistences of names, dates, and places. I'm saying their own information doesn't add up. How can I be expected to trust someones story if it isn't consistent?

Providing links to known and proven conspiracies doesn't give any credence to other theories. The difference between the real ones and the theories is that the real ones were uncovered with real evidence from people that aren't fruitcakes.

Don't try and tell me I'm dismissing all of them because of weak reasoning. It is not a weak reason. I'm drawing the line as close to the edge as I can, which is a lot more generous than most people would do.
And don't try and tell me I'm doing it so I don't look like a nut. Most people think I am a goddamn nut. I don't buy into every crackpot theory becaus I have the capacity to reason the evidence on both sides of the fence. However it's rarely in the theory's favour. If you want to justify that with your Illuminati misinformation theory, then I encourage you to. But I also ask for some evidence for this theory. Of course, how am I supposed to trust that evidence when there's all this misinformation floating around??? Yes, I am mocking you.

The fact that you've jumped to the outlandish conclusion that ZoSo is some kind of Illuminati conspiritor is immensly worrying. Primarily because you've apparently reached this conclusion with no evidence what-so-ever. Which was my point exactly.

edit for Chaz:
I suppose so, but I was illustrating what I thought of this thread. Make an outlandish claim, back it up with assurances that what I was saying was real. The fact that ZoSo seemed to elaborate on the part of my post that I didn't invent myself makes me think he wasn't joking. But he's banned so I'll never know.

Aliens and yetis fall into the category of those crackpot theories that I'm talking about. You're citing them because they are the established stereotype for conspiracy theories in your mind, again affirming the fact that such conspiracy theories have affected the way you look at and judge conspiracy theories in general.


Again, such inconsistencies don't mean much. There's no reason such inconsistencies can't exist in a genuine document. Also, again, you're stereotyping conspiracy theories.



What if "Nurse Nayirah" were to happen today, and someone were to give you a conspiracy theory about it before the whole thing is completely exposed? You wouldn't believe it. You would dismiss them as a "fruitcake", and find any reason you can to dismiss the evidence.




You are overestimating your own ability to judge the evidence. This is not an attack on your intelligence. Intelligent people are human beings too, and are subject to cognitive bias. Being intelligent does not mean you are conscious of what's going on in your head, in terms of cognitive bias.



The evidence is right in front of you. I've been presenting it to you in this thread. You just won't let yourself accept it as evidence, because doing so would violate a taboo.
It would be prudent for anyone engaging in a wide-scale, long-term conspiracy to do exactly what I have described. Think about it.




I'm not asserting that he's a conspirator, but rather that he's a pawn - because the crackpot conspiracy theories spread virally among people like him.

Zoso's claims aren't absolutely aliens or yetis. At the same time, he's not citing any proofs or factual information. He's posting concerns about our knowledge of 9/11 and extorting that concern to unfounded claims of conspiracy. There's a big leap, and it's unappreciated.

He wasn't posting concerns. He was posting BS because he's an impressionable moron.

Why bring this up when you could bring up the WMD story that served the same purpose?

You saying the Illuminati are doing whatever isn't the same as providing evidence.

To Flirb, I'll address your points in order so I don't have to quote everything.

I used UFOs and bigfoot as my example because those two subjects are largely made up of people telling other people what they think they saw as evidence and even proof of the fact. That is why they're an established stereotype. Most conspiracy theories are the same - people assuring other people that whatever they're saying is evidence for their theory. You're doing the exact same thing - you're telling me that saying that you believe ZoSo is a pawn in an Illuminati misinformation conspiracy is evidence. It is not.
Yes, UFOs and bigfoot have affected the way I look at conspiracy theories in general. Yes, this would be a bias. But my bias is wanting tangible evidence in support of their claims. Are you telling me I shouldn't do this? Are you saying I should just pay attention to any nutbar that's got an idea of how the world "really" works? How would I ever judge who's right or wrong - by how articulate they are? How many episodes of X-Files they've watched?

I am aware that errors can occur in genuine documents. This doesn't mean I should ignore any errors in a conspiracy theory. I wouldn't immediately ignore one for having even a few errors or inconsistencies, but my point was that most of them have many inconsistencies, and I would say more than could usually be expected of simple human or computer error. But again, I suppose that's my bias.

I can't make any call on "Nurse Nayirah." I have no idea what the exact evidence was that eventually proved it was a hoax.

I could say you're underestimating my ability to judge the evidence. We could go around in circles like that all week.

The only evidence in this thread is that ZoSo believes 9/11 was an inside job and that just about everyone disagrees with him. Give me something real, even if only for the possibility of an Illuminati misinformation conspiracy.

I didn't think this thread was going to get more retarded than it was.

"HEY IDIOT, quit believing in idiot theories!"

"No, you're the idiot. His conspiracies are an even bigger conspiracy to keep you from seeing conspiracies!"

"No they aren't..."

"YES THEY ARE, YOU'RE A BLIND SHEEPLE."

Anyone ever read "Focault's Pendulum"? Good book.

I've given you plenty of real evidence. You just can't comprehend it as such, because you've been culturally brainwashed.


This is reminiscent of creationists who seek out dozens of "errors" in the theory of evolution, thinking it will somehow disprove the entire theory.


According to the Dunning-Kruger effect, linked by Baconfish, incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill.



Now you're putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say that I actually believe any of the nonsense I've been spouting in this thread.

So you're trolling. Well done. Find a better hobby.

And thanks for calling me incompetent for not believing your Illuminati bull**** that you don't believe in. :downs:

I originally intended to just make a point about how being exposed to crackpot conspiracy theories can affect the way one interprets information, but I couldn't pass up the chance to present this in the form of an awesome conspiracy theory. I actually found the debate to be kind of thought-provoking (in a pretentious, subtextual way). I do apologise if you feel like you've been "tricked".

For the record, the Illuminati definitely didn't coerce me into admitting that my conspiracy theory was just a joke.

Flibble, i must say you are awesome.

jin, stop whining. it was funny.

Whatever point you were trying to make is about as thin as the air you breath. Interpret that how you will.

edit: If you'd presented that point without masking it behind a conspiracy theory it might've made more sense to me, considering the point I was making. It only went to reaffirm what I was saying. So I was tricked but you'd of made a better argument without it.

I can't think of a more colourful way to tell Ford to sod off, but I was actually trying to make a legitmate point that the arguments people make in support of their theories [usually] aren't substantiated with any real evidence. I'd hardly call that whining. Unless I'm whining about fact-checking or journalistic integrity or something but I dunno, man. I'm a molten space-woman from Jupiter but don't whine about me not being able to prove it.

Ooooh "sod off"

Those are big man words right there!

Looks like it's time for a show off.

Cod eye versus the laughing man GO!

Am I cod eye or the laughing man?

You're laughing man, cod eye is Ford.

PS, since this thread is going nowhere..

POST IMAGES.

OMFG spider orgy.