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Massassi and Swearing
2007-08-26, 8:42 AM #41
The only disadvantage to what we have right now is that it doesn't allow creative cussing, like ********piss. Oh, the travesty. :eng101:

[EDIT: Oh hey, piss isn't considered a swear?]
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2007-08-26, 8:46 AM #42
Originally posted by Stormtrooper:
As much as some people don't want to believe it, Massassi still has some very young members, young members that don't need to be around foul language. It's not just censorship or disrespect, it's keeping Massassi clean for those who don't need to be around things like that.


Oh dear, let's protect the children from the profanities! It might hurt their delicate minds!

**** that. I grew up with two parents who swore like sailors around me for as long as I can remember, and I turned out just ****ing fine. Who gives a **** about the children? Children ****ing shmildren.
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2007-08-26, 9:18 AM #43
please let me swear and post without closing my thread or banning me
2007-08-26, 9:46 AM #44
I want censored Massassi for my child :psyduck:
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2007-08-26, 10:12 AM #45
Leave it as is. Can you imagine a typical flame war here without the censoring?
It'd be like a novelization of an X-box Live Halo2 match. :psyduck:
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2007-08-26, 10:12 AM #46
I like how in here, and not other forums, I don't have to wade through curse words constantly. It makes it look more mature.
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2007-08-26, 10:17 AM #47
You guys are creating a chilling effect on my ****ing free speech. :v:
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2007-08-26, 10:55 AM #48
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Massassi isn't a group?


You could say it is but let's quote the defintion that Jon'C provided:

Originally posted by Jon`C:
The use of state or group power to control freedom of expression, such as passing laws to prevent media from being published or propagated.


His quote really is formatted improperly because his point was that groups can also conduct censorship but that is not what the definition says. He should have formatted it like this but it doesn't make his point:

Quote:
The use of state or group power to control freedom of expression, such as passing laws to prevent media from being published or propagated.


Massassi certainly isn't a group power. Your ability to express yourself is not impeaded by being censored or banned at an internet forum. You wouldn't say somebody was practicing censorship if they turn up the radio so they don't here you talk.

Originally posted by Tracer:
Just so you know, this is because of the software, not the person. If you say, uh, 'f-bombers', the forums will filter out the f bomb but not the 'ers' you tacked on to the end. Although I guess your point is probably more that people shoudn't be saying that stuff in the first place, but I'm just saying is all.


Interesting. I've seen so many words get filtered in whole and others slip through when they were part of another word. I assumed that the mods had the ability to add or remove words from the filter. Of course the site has changed much over the years so whatever. Thanks, though.
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2007-08-26, 11:09 AM #49
The concept of a G-rated Massassi is outdated, as the content allowed in posts is much more adult compared to what was allowed when the median age here was 12. The rule against personal attacks hasn't been enforced for the past 4 years, at least.
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2007-08-26, 11:18 AM #50
I reckon the forums should be left as is, for the same reasons as Martyn.

The chat however could probably do with a swear-allowance. We had it for a bit and it was fine.
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2007-08-26, 11:26 AM #51
Are you seriously retarded wookie? You're honestly misunderstanding the definition as "group power," and not "a group's power," as denoted by the word "use" as a predicate? Please stop posting.
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2007-08-26, 12:32 PM #52
Censorship and this topic are not the same. A guideline for behavior does not equal censorship. Everyone on this forum has the ability to freely express their opinion in a respectful manner, unlike your last post.
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2007-08-26, 12:40 PM #53
A guideline for behavior is very much censorship. You don't understand the topic at all. There's no way for anyone to convince you otherwise because you're very obviously choosing to read the definition in your own special gold-star way. Censorship is the control of ideas. Control does not mean removal, or squelching, it means any rules applied to the topic of ideas is censorship. We agree that certain censorship such as flaming and spamming is needed. We're debating the control over a group of words that have been starred out for the simple fact that they make whiny people's ears hurt. That is a debate about censorship. I'm done arguing basic English skills.
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2007-08-26, 12:43 PM #54
Meh, free speech doesn't apply here. You willingly became a member of this organization* among many available, and therefore willingly subject yourself to the rules. If you want to swear, there are plenty of forums that allow it. I'll not get into the whole soul issue and whether we can actually leave.

Swearing is usually either needless of just lazy. You can create extremely strong statements, see Starship Troopers (the book), without ever actually swearing. A profanity ban simply encourages creativity.

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2007-08-26, 12:48 PM #55
If you have to swear to express yourself, you seriously need to get a dictionary and expand your vocabulary.
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2007-08-26, 12:49 PM #56
I don't think it would hurt to leave it as is. However, when Massassi was first created, the crowd was a bit different. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we no longer have a mass group of 12 or 13 year olds. Considering most of us are now 17+, I don't think it would be such a bad thing to disable the swear filter.
2007-08-26, 12:50 PM #57
Quote:
we no longer have a mass group of 12 or 13 year olds.


Too bad most of the minds here didn't grow up along with their bodies.
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2007-08-26, 12:53 PM #58
I certainly think that the chat should be able to swear. The chatroom is HARDLY PG, and the lack of a filter makes avoiding it a little different.
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2007-08-26, 1:07 PM #59
I like to ****ing cuss.

So yes.

Edit: All in moot point anyway if Brian gets wind of this. He'll shut it down.
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2007-08-26, 1:22 PM #60
Originally posted by JediKirby:
I'm done arguing basic English skills.


I had to step away from the computer for a bit but when I came back I realized that I had misread the definition that was cited and that my formatting was, indeed, incorrect.

Be that as it may, I still believe that it is impossible for the censoring of swear words to be considered real censorship. Maybe it is in the literal sense of the word, I don't know. Maybe somebody should call the ACLU to see if we can get this place shut down for infinging upon all of our rights.

edit - Massassi doesn't meet the definition of a group anyway. The "group" here is the board members. The members here are powerless, hence this topic. The board is controlled by an individual, personally, or by proxy a la moderators. Hence, the definition cited does not apply in this case. :P
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2007-08-26, 1:25 PM #61
I say uncensor on the forums but not on the chat. But I don't visit that chat much anymore so meh.

On the forums...look. Profanity is a stupid stupid stupid concept anyway. Why can we say screw but not ****? Hmm? They mean the EXACT same thing. And *-ing stuff out does nothing. You think that starring something out removes the meaning, or doesn't allow the person to put that word in their mind anyway? Either you remove the word completely or allow the word.

Oh, and Massassi having young members? Youngest we have is me. I'm 14. I go to highschool. In highschool at the lunch tables, **** is every other word. You think your doing any good by taking away something I'm going to hear elsewhere?

Unblock the words, that's the end of it. Massassi's not family friendly. If you people wanted it to be, everyone would be banned. So many of you are hypocrites.
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2007-08-26, 1:26 PM #62
Tru dat.
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2007-08-26, 1:27 PM #63
The swear filter's purpose has little to do with keeping the place G-rated. You can still use swear words and they will be understood by the context (which is why it isn't really censorship), but if you ****ing try to ****ing swear like those ****ing annoying ****ers from high school who think it's ****ing cool to punctuate everything they ****ing say with ****ing swear words and ****, it'll look silly rather than irritating. The filter just 'sublimates' the language to maintain an atmosphere that isn't grating. Likewise, if you try to be a ****ing inflammatory *******, it makes it sound less potent.

I propose modifying the swear filter to change swear words into alternate words instead of asterisks.
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2007-08-26, 1:33 PM #64
Oh. And by the way. Ban the hell out of anyone who abuses swearing. And those of you scared about it and flame wars, I can solve that.

Mods, crack down on flame wars and their participants. 2 week band, just like Rob and Obi for every war and participants, and you're good in my opinion.
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2007-08-26, 1:39 PM #65
yeah but then you'll get people insisting that the admins don't know the difference between a flame war and a debate and friendly banter or some stupid crap like that.

PS - it's not like I mind the occasional swear word, or even that I don't swear like a sailor myself, because I certainly do. But swear words have a tendency to get overused to the point of stupidity and after a while it grates on me. I kind of like the no swear words policy. It's not like the meaning is lost on anyone, but it's just nice that some people will occasionally have to think of more creative adjectives than **** and **** every other word/.

I agree with martyn, Izzy and Flirbnic in a nutshell
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2007-08-26, 1:42 PM #66
The chat is "eh" but don't remove it on the forums. Or if you want to change something, I like the alternative words idea, a la unregistered SA.
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2007-08-26, 1:45 PM #67
yeah the chat's fine for me.
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2007-08-26, 1:47 PM #68
If you want people to get creative with their language and adjectives, ban them for every word they have to asertisk out. Because *-ing a word out doesn't make them change one thing because they know their point will still get across because who doesn't know that the f-word is 4 letters and has an almost endless list of suffixes?
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2007-08-26, 1:52 PM #69
but people seem to realize how dumb it is to have an entire post made out of asterisks.

Mainly, it's helps me personally cut down on swearing.

I mean, I can't say I would be outraged or even overly annoyed if we did allow them but if you're asking for my preference, it would be a no. There's really nothing speacial about the f word, what's the point in fighting to keep it? I just don't see what could it would do, but I do see it becoming a problem, especially as flame wars escalate
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2007-08-26, 1:55 PM #70
Yknow we could see if someone could add an option in the UserCP for whether or not they want swearing censored. Then everyone would be happy.
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2007-08-26, 1:57 PM #71
Might as well ditch the M from Massassi in the process.
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2007-08-26, 2:02 PM #72
And you. :D
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2007-08-26, 2:03 PM #73
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2007-08-26, 2:27 PM #74
Originally posted by Baconfish:
Yknow we could see if someone could add an option in the UserCP for whether or not they want swearing censored. Then everyone would be happy.


best idea yet
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2007-08-26, 2:36 PM #75
i agree with "if its not broke, don't fix it" everyone know what you are saying when they see **** anyways. if you really feel the burning desire to see expletives just open up notepad and copy then paste and fill in the "****" then you can be all like 'AHHA! i see a curse word my day is now complete!' :hist101:
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2007-08-26, 2:44 PM #76
CM already killed it dead though. Apparently it would slow the forums down.

And that would be a bad thing.

But I also have to agree with Dalf: Brian's site, Brian's rule. No swearing. It just so happens that I like it this way, but that's the way it is.
2007-08-26, 2:45 PM #77
You people act like we'd all start swearing more. I don't think anyone here avoids saying **** because it's filtered. Honestly, besides my personal opinion that censorship is a poor solvency for the actual problem, it's also kind of hard to understand some posts with asterisks. Maybe I'm just bad at fill in the blanks, but the only reason I'd ever really really want it besides my personal morals is that it's confusing.
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2007-08-26, 3:38 PM #78
Massassi has spoken. Just look at the poll.

Time to lift the filters.
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2007-08-26, 3:45 PM #79
It's 71.67% in favour of allowing swearing in the chat, and only 45% in favour of allowing it on the forums.
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2007-08-26, 3:49 PM #80
****** still needs to be ******.

Edit: I said the "J" word.
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