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Churches in Japan or Literacy in Honduras?
2007-09-24, 12:44 PM #1
Some friends of mine are trying to win a grant($500) to plant churches in Japan, and they're competing against a group thats trying to promote literacy in Honduras. Discuss.
2007-09-24, 12:46 PM #2
Originally posted by Axis:
Discuss.


I wonder when that's ever gonna happen here.
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2007-09-24, 12:54 PM #3
Why on Earth would you choose churches over literacy?
2007-09-24, 12:54 PM #4
Don't throw away that newspaper, lest the serfs learn to read!
2007-09-24, 1:04 PM #5
Japanese know about Christianity. If they wanted to be Christian en masse, they would have done so already. Too bad most of the uneducated third worlders are already Christian, or were converted to Islam before the Christians could get to them.
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2007-09-24, 1:10 PM #6
I think the god botherer team should probably concede. Literacy > God Bothering

Just because you like anime and god doesn't mean Japan likes anime and god.
2007-09-24, 1:22 PM #7
Yeah, no offense to your friend, but the cause pales in comparison to literacy.
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2007-09-24, 1:28 PM #8
I think it's just silly to even consider a Church in the face of something that will actually help people.
2007-09-24, 1:29 PM #9
$500???

2007-09-24, 1:34 PM #10
I'm really failing to see how building a church in one of the strongest developed countries in the world is somehow a "legit" option against helping literacy in one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere. I mean, seriously?
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2007-09-24, 1:39 PM #11
Originally posted by BombayZeus:
$500???


This.
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2007-09-24, 2:01 PM #12
$500 is almost enough to buy a 2x6 stud in japan
2007-09-24, 2:03 PM #13
Originally posted by Roach:
I'm really failing to see how building a church in one of the strongest developed countries in the world is somehow a "legit" option against helping literacy in one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere. I mean, seriously?

Agreed. It would be disgraceful if they didn't concede.
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2007-09-24, 2:48 PM #14
Originally posted by Jon`C:
$500 is almost enough to buy a 2x6 stud in japan


Maybe if you buy it from the scratch and dent pile from out behind the lumber yard.

And even then, what are you going to do with it? Theres nowhere to set the thing down without putting it on someone's toes.

Honestly, churches? Japan? Gimme a break. In fact, thats irresponsible and I want them hanged.

:hist101:
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2007-09-24, 3:50 PM #15
Bigots.
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2007-09-24, 3:51 PM #16
Wait, it says "plant churches"


Maybe they're churces that grow on beanstalks!
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2007-09-24, 4:11 PM #17
I'm just really surprised that you came to Massassi with this. I mean, its obvious from the start what the pick of everyone here is gonna be.
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2007-09-24, 4:13 PM #18
Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
I'm just really surprised that you came to Massassi with this. I mean, its obvious from the start what the pick of everyone here is gonna be.


...the morally correct choice regardless of what religion you follow?
2007-09-24, 4:14 PM #19
It saddens me to even think that other places would have people who would actually think a church in Japan is a more worthy cause.
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2007-09-24, 4:20 PM #20
Why don't they start a church/school in honduras instead?>__>

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2007-09-24, 4:32 PM #21
What a bunch of asses. The question was who should win not which cause would you support. I would submit that the question as asked cannot be answered here because I presume that the participants in the contest must submit a proposal or plan for how the money would go on to benefit their cause. It could easily be that the plan for the church could be a more effective one.

Now, having said that, I would probably choose literacy in Honduras based on the extremely limited information given but I don't find that cause particularly more noble than the other. It's bigoted to exclude the positive effects of spreading Christianity.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 5:39 PM #22
Who is giving the grant?

And I don't think it's bigoted. Helping people learn to read is more important than building churches for people who already have access to Christianity.
2007-09-24, 5:50 PM #23
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
Who is giving the grant?

And I don't think it's bigoted. Helping people learn to read is more important than building churches for people who already have access to Christianity.


You are making my point that we are forced to make assumptions based upon the limited information provided. For all we know the money is for an impoverished community that has no church. I did say that I'm inclined to support the literacy cause in this instance but I am forced to do so making my own assumptions and guesses about the respective plans.

And when I refer to bigots I am referring to the usual, religion is bad, crowd that surfaces here whenever Christianity comes up.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 5:56 PM #24
Its not necessarily bad, but reading is way better than religion.

o.0
2007-09-24, 6:02 PM #25
Why? Spreading Christian values could benefit some people more than reading. And, more than likely, spreading Christianity could inspire people to become literate. I'm not actually choosing one over the other here myself. I'm just saying it's ignorant to just dismiss Christianity.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 6:05 PM #26
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Now, having said that, I would probably choose literacy in Honduras based on the extremely limited information given but I don't find that cause particularly more noble than the other. It's bigoted to exclude the positive effects of spreading Christianity.


CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN SPREAD THERE.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2007-09-24, 6:06 PM #27
...because the Japanese already have access to Christianity. They are well aware of it. Your argument about inspiring people to become literate is silly in this case because of the ridiculously high literacy rates in Japan.

Hondurans learning to read is a more pressing issue.
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2007-09-24, 6:07 PM #28
Spreading Christianity to Japan will not inspire people from Honduras to learn to read. And honestly, the world doesn't need more people following 2000 year old rules that don't make any sense.

Whoa, instaposted. Emon makes a good point about Japans literacy rate. Hard to play pokemon if you can't read. >___>

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2007-09-24, 6:13 PM #29
HEY DOUCHE BAGS, CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL POST

Wow.
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2007-09-24, 6:16 PM #30
"Churches" typically imply Christian churches. Axis is Christian, and isn't a stretch to assume his friends are, too. Especially because Christianity is so widespread in the United States, it's highly unlikely that he was referring to any other kind of church.

So calm the **** down. Douchebag.
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2007-09-24, 6:16 PM #31
In response to Spook, it is a reasonable assumption. Besides, douche bag, as I already pointed out, there was a lot that was not present in the original post. sheesh.

Originally posted by fishstickz:
CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN SPREAD THERE.


I have been speaking in general terms in response to the generalizations made in this thread. sheesh.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 6:33 PM #32
Yeah but now everyone knows that. (reasonable assumption does not = massassi?)

And for the sake of continuing a fad...

douche bags.

Anyway, let us continue.

I am still confused by what plant means?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-09-24, 6:42 PM #33
They should promote literacy in Honduras so that they can give them Bibles.

Two birds, one stone.
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2007-09-24, 6:48 PM #34
Originally posted by Spook:
Yeah but now everyone knows that. (reasonable assumption does not = massassi?)


We're still assuming. And you should represent your service better than to provoke people with insults. You do hold yourself to a higher standard, don't you?
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 6:54 PM #35
Originally posted by Wookie06:
...spreading Christianity could inspire people to become literate...

Despite the fact that Japan boasts a 99%+ literacy rate. No, this isn't about "oh, those bigots are automatically against religion!" it's about "there are better things to spend money on than bringing a religion to a nation that's already exposed to said religion."

[Edit - In fact, you brought up this whole "religious vs. non-religious" thing by yourself, you claim others have shown ignorance for what the church could offer, but you mean in general, while practically everyone in here is mentioning specifically Japan. I suggest you stop this.]
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2007-09-24, 7:01 PM #36
Also, for sake of argument, $500 will go a lot farther in Honduras.
2007-09-24, 7:12 PM #37
In response to Roach, I was irritated most specifically by these statements:

Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
Why on Earth would you choose churches over literacy?


Originally posted by Rob:
I think the god botherer team should probably concede. Literacy > God Bothering


Originally posted by fishstickz:
Yeah, no offense to your friend, but the cause pales in comparison to literacy.


Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
I think it's just silly to even consider a Church in the face of something that will actually help people.


And I find this obnoxious if only because people should most certainly be encouraged to champion causes important to them.

Originally posted by Emon:
Agreed. It would be disgraceful if they didn't concede.


I have been open minded. Enough so to say that with the limited information given I would say Honduran literacy.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-24, 7:32 PM #38
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Why? Spreading Christian values could benefit some people more than reading. And, more than likely, spreading Christianity could inspire people to become literate.

...Yes, because allowing people to interpret the Bible for themselves has traditionally been one of the priesthood's top priorities.
2007-09-24, 7:32 PM #39
Originally posted by Wookie06:
We're still assuming. And you should represent your service better than to provoke people with insults. You do hold yourself to a higher standard, don't you?


Yep, we are still assuming. Not like it's going to change unless we get information.

As for suggesting that I am a poor Marine because I called someone a douche bag on the internet...

WADR, I don't know which is more confusing, that you think it odd that a Marine would call someone a douche bag (:confused:), or that you tried to provoke me about me supposedly provoking people. Which I wasn't trying to do, though I guess it's kind of par for the course for people on Massassi to get offended by friendly insults. My bad.

And yes, I do hold myself to a higher standard (of women).
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-09-24, 7:37 PM #40
I don't think you're a poor marine. I don't have a problem with you calling somebody a douchebag after they piss you off. It's just that many here might form their opinions of servicemembers by our conduct.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

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