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Yeah, you just can really draw so many accurate conclusions be reading some short posts on internet. You're so witty.

Christians don't justify horrible things by correctly citing the bible? That was my entire point that you kind of skimmed over.

it started bitter and it's your fault.

What's your point? That wild primates can be violent? Everyone knows that. But my point was that they have also developed genuine morality without an absolute moral standard.

Please refer to the last sentence in my quote you used.

You might want to get to a doctor if your heart physically hurts. It's a good thing you were talking out of your *** and it's not really physically hurting..

I saw it, but why would you post it if you weren't implying something? I assumed you were.

To me the difference is the scale. You are going to have whackos in any religion that do horrible things they cite as justified by their scriptures. I'm just not aware of countries that practice Christian Law committing attrocities like those that practice Islamic Law.

Just seemed interesting. Maybe to ponder the moral implications of it. Not really trying to point out anything major. I don't think an animal can be evil but it was shocking to see the savageness, lack of empathy, etc. The chimp ended up disappearing for quite awhile (the big one). He turned up many months later emaciated and timid. I wonder what he went through.

You should probably stop making threads like this on purpose for attention if they upset you so much. What are you now? Jesusadist?


Either way.


Internet.

MUSLIM

Use the right word. :/

Do you consider yourself a bigot, Wookie?

I am so glad you asked that. I was wondering if anyone would call me on that. I think islam is bad because of the acts condoned by it and the barbarism practiced in islamic countries. Having said that, I don't denegrate muslims as a group because I believe that most people are good and just because they are followers of a violent religion, I know that most muslims do not so literally hold to those ideals.

Wait, you do realize that the Quran doesn't promote violence right?

Extremists twist the words into a violent form and then act on them if thats what you're referring to.

He knows that very well. He just gets his jollies from this. Same as I get my jollies by saying cops should die. It makes fun conversation.

I understand your point and that is why I have conflicting and evolving opinions. Being that I am not an Islamic scholar, I personally don't know how to resolve many of the conflictions. I have routinely heard that Islam is a religion of peace and is non-violent so I try to figure out horrendous acts of violence are permitted under islamic law.

Short version: Islam condones self-defense and defense of faith, radicals say the West wants to destroy Islam, bombings ensue.

Long version: Read Scheuer.

Are you just unaware of what we did to the native americans because they didn't believe in god?

I just disregard the current discussion as I'm sure its just the same old usual Christian bashing that's common on this forum.

It would be nice to be the noble Christian and vote for aiding the building of Churches in Japan but considering that only 1% of the population is Christian there and the Japanese are (from the impression I get at least) not too receptive to Christian ethics, I would have to go with helping increase literacy in Honduras. As I see it, it's kinda hard to spread Christianity there if the locals can't even read the Bible, hence it's still a good cause for the Kingdom of Heaven.

So if you can excuse Christianity from the actions of the holocaust because the Nazis weren't "acting with good, wholesome, Christian values as their motivation" then why not excuse Islam from the actions of insurgents kidnapping, torturing and executing people? After all they don't have good, wholesome Islamic values as their motivation? Frankly I believe both religions play their part respectively and deserve some of the blame.

To point out some of the other things Christianity has helped with in the past century, a rather obvious one is apartheid in S Africa. The treatment of blacks was frequently justified in the Dutch Reformed Church by claiming they bore the curse of Ham/Canaan and that the story of Babel was part of God's will that the races be separate. The majority Afrikaner part of the white population felt that they were God's chosen people drawing comparisons between the voortrekker period (where the Boers trekked out into the interior to escape the British and fought off the various tribes en route) and the Biblical exodus. They had a national holiday based on the massacre/battle at Blood River which they held to be affirmation that God was protecting them. This meant that there were plenty of Afrikaners during the apartheid years who felt no moral harm in abusing any non-white. It allowed policemen to brutally torture people, it allowed soldiers to beat and shoot protesters, it allowed the average person to ignore the conditions in which black people were living, it allowed a system of oppression to appear righteous in their eyes.


Just now you've complained about an appeal to authority but you're making the same fallacy here: "Hurrr I won't address your argument or tell you why you're wrong, I'll just call you ignorant!"



Strewth! So if I found the appropriate religion that said something ridiculous and/or terrible, you would respect me making moral judgements based off of that!? You know you can make moral judgements without necessarily being emotional about it or taking old books to contain absolute truths, right?

wow you're a prick.

there is a huge difference between "Christian bashing" and what we do, which is bashing specific, stupid Christians who shoot their mouth off about other religions when they don't even understand their own.

But good job being a star poster and reading the thread before contributing to it.

I must have missed that. Then again, I do watch Fox News.

Soo... Flamewar away?
If anyone cares about my uneducated worthless opinion. I say the literacy.

I couldn't believe the poor coverage of Fox News on this subject. You would think that with millions and millions of native americans being slaughtered wholesale, they would have taken notice. But no, we can't be marring the image of the royal crown now can we? Gotta be sucking parliament's cock. I bet they wouldn't even support breaking away from England!

What I was going to say. I hate when you post that in every single religious thread, Shadow.

he has to.

wouldn't want people to forget that he has an opinion.

And now we're done here, children. Thanks for playing!