Not that the iPhone supports it anyway...

They do have some cool stuff, I'm just saying that they can't charge as much when at the moment they have the slowest network.

And CM, you hate Apple, yeah, we get it already.

I really wanna see MS make the WinPhone or something.

Zune Phone?

"Hey babe, how was your day?"

"Well, I had to..."

*click* BOO BEE DOO! "We're sorry, your phone has BSoD'd. Please power cycle your phone and try your call again."

Sorry, had to be said. But don't they already have like, Windows CE running on some phones? What would a WinPhone contain? WMP? *shudders*

Windows Mobile.

And to be honest, it's the best Operating System for mobile phones out there, imo.

More people that modify firmware should get products broken.

You made an agreement when you bought the phone.

Learn how to read.

The point is that the agreement shouldn't exist, not that the people are stupid for breaking their phones.

Buy a different phone if you don't like it.

Seriously. Not that hard.

Hey, that's what I'm saying. But apparently that makes me an Apple hater :p

The point is that part of the cost of the phone is tied into the two-year contract.

I personally think it's hilarious.


If only they could make the phone melt. Thats how they ought to do it.


OOPS SORRY, YOU'RE A DICK FOR TAMPERING WITH THE PRODUCT, HOW ABOUT AN I-MELT FOR YOU. HAHAHA.

Hehe, So MS did it first, better, and didn't lower themselves to back room deals to make more money?

Uh, what MS did and what Apple did are different things.

MS made an OS for mobile phones. k.

Apple made a phone. And it's pretty much the coolest, full-featured phone out there.

Well ok, Then my previous point stands. If MS makes a phone (in the future) i bet Eleven Billion Dollars on it being better then the current iPhone.

check out the Kaiser, for example. (Made by HTC, not MS, but it uses the Windows Mobile platform.)

And Vin...
Most of the phone is tied into the contract.. That's why most people underestimate the price of a cell phone.. they're like, "Oh, I can get a RAZR for $50. In fact the RAZR costs about $200. But they're getting a discount *BECAUSE* they're agreeing to a contract.

I don't really consider the iPhone "Full-Featured" untill it works with more then one provider default. To me that seems like calling an OS that only works with one kind of hard drive "Full-Featured"

But meh, i think i've said enough. I'll stay out now.

I can't say that I feel sorry for anyone who bought an iPhone to be used on T-Mobile. You damn well knew that the next firmware update was going to brick your iPhone. *****ing about it isn't going to do any good.

That said, I absolutely do not agree with cell-phone locking for this particular reason. The fact that the iPhone is being cracked like this shows that there is demand for the product but people don't want to wait until their 2-year is up with current provider or outright break the contract. The next hip, shiny new phone that comes out, is it going to be for all? Probably not, probably locked to Sprint or Verizon. Cell phone locking is lose-lose. If AT&T sales are lackluster, Apple is going to regret that five year exclusiveness deal.

*browses the forums using iPod touch :ninja:*

the iphone's price is not subsidized.

apple couldn't get any carriers to support the iphone's extra features unless apple signed an exclusivity agreement. when you buy an iphone/contract you are paying the full price of the phone.

I stand corrected.

I have an iPhone with no contract agreement (at least not a two-year contract.) I just put my social in as 999-99-9999 and I got to pick a pre-paid GoPhone plan that still includes unlimited data like those who sign up for the two-year contracts.

nah, I'm pretty sure that's bs... I can't prove it cause the iPhone is only available in stores (go figure, another means to restrict the consumer), but 99% of phones are offered at a discount *BECAUSE* the provider is giving it to them since they'll be signing a contract. Look at any other phones on AT&T's website (Or T-Mobile's for that matter), and you'll see a retail cost (usually around $200 - $400) and then some instant discounts and mail-in rebates making the phone around $50 or so... or sometimes free.. The reason you get it free is *BECAUSE YOU'RE SIGNING A CONTRACT*. The phone isn't cheap or free, otherwise. This means that the average consumer doesn't realize how expensive wireless phones actually are.. Most wireless phones retail for around $200 to $300, and some are well over $500. They're offered for a much lower cost *because the provider has the customer's service garunteed for 1 or 2 years.*

Well in the UK the iPhone will be on O[sub]2[/sub] which seems to be the provider most people use anyway.

It seems to me this whole thing is possible only because of the mindless hordes who think anything i from Apple is holier than Bible and Quran combined, and thus would even sell their mothers to get one.

Well, it has nothing to do with me. I never even wanted an iPod, after all...

*YES* most *PHONES* are *subsidized* but *the* iPhone is not.

It's rumored to be in the works.

I think your wrong since they just dropped the price on it. More than likely the retail on the phone didn't go down, AT&T just began offering a discount.

I don't know. You may be right though. Like I said, I haven't been able to find anything that gives the price breakdown of the iPhone.

But anyway, if that's the case, then why the hell is the consumer putting up with it? They're paying full price for a phone, AND signing a 2 year contract? That's just not how things are done in the wireless industry, and this pisses me off even more than the fact that the phone is locked. (All phones are locked to their respective provider, but most of them you can unlock and then use them with other providers. Buy a phone from T-Mobile, for example, and it will be locked to T-Mobile. They will, however, unlock any of their phones 90 days after purchase. AT&T I believe requires that you fulfill the term of the contract, (which is a bit ridiculous, imo. If any of you have phones with AT&T that you want to get unlocked, *Do not tell them that you're thinking about using the phone with another provider here in the US.* Instead, tell them that you'll be doing international travel and would like to get the phone unlocked so that you can use it with a European SIM card.)

But anyway, that brings up the question. Do any of you know what AT&T's policy will be on unlocking the iPhone after the contract commitment is fulfilled?

Ha ha!

What ever happened to doing what you want with a product you buy? Consumers should be the ones telling business what to do, this sort of corporate authoritarianism needs to be slapped down immediately. If people had any sense they would boycott products like the iPhone to show that they are not gonna put up with this ****. Thats why I don't have/want a cell phone. The companies give you "choices" to make you feel free, when in fact you are signing up to be an obedient little consumer. No thank you.

That is why I drink bottles and bottles of cough syrup at a time.

By the way, you can buy an iPhone without a contract, I just walked into the apple store and bought one without answering any questions about ATT.

You can do whatever you want to it. It's just that Apple isn't going to cater to the people who break the user agreement.

no your wrong.

iphone is sold through the apple store. apple, themselves, dropped the price, and apple, themselves, are offering a $100 credit to customers' phone bills to early iphone adopters.

at&t has nothing to do with iphone pricing; at&t merely provides the infrastructure.

i keep telling everyone apple is the seed of evil... no one listens

That's because nobody cares, they make products that people want.

It's a very devious marketing strategy, how dare they?!

It is devious, but it mostly plays on a lack of customer awareness. People don't look past the cool new product at all of the baggage that comes with it.

K, I'll take your word on it... Which then makes valid the next point I made...

It could be because you're an idiot.

I listened KOP.

For crying out loud Tiberium_Empire, SHUT UP.

Seriously, have you talked about anything else except how much you love Microsoft and hate Apple for the last month?.