Well i talked about how my new PC is awesome.. Well i guess you'r right. I'll just leave the thread.

Yeah, OMG, Tiberium. Stop being like EVERYBODY ELSE IN MASSASSI.

This.

Love your signature, dalf.

That's one of my favorite poems.

I think Apple is kind of being a dick here. Disabling the non-AT&T hacks - acceptable. Apple has to do this as part of their contract with AT&T. Disabling 3rd party apps is a dick maneuver, but whatever. The big thing here is bricking phones.

NOTE: Bricking phones does NOT mean that it no longer works with T-Mobile. It means the phone is now a brick. Does not work. At all. With any service. Even if you voided your warrenty by modding your iPhone, that does NOT give Apple the right to destroy your property. It is yours. If you frak around with it, Apple doesn't have to support it anymore. I don't think anyone would argue with this. But if you frak around with it, it doesn't mean Apple should destroy it.

The even bigger problem here is what Bobbert brought up. What happened to the days when you bought something, and it was yours? Today, we're dealing with situations where we are essentially paying money and agreeing to the stupidest terms of service ever.

We're buying phones that are locked into one network, and if you dare to break the lock software? Bam. Might as well use your iPhone to help replace that brick in your wall that's crumbling a bit.

Want to hear some music? Great! As long as you only listen to it twice, on the proprietary software that the company makes you purchase. Oh, by the way, it only works on certain operating systems. Between 8:00AM and 5:00PM, because recent studies show that you, as a user, are more likely to pirate music at night than during the day.

This is absolutely ridiculous. People need to quit bickering and calling each other names (Rob. :p), and start complaining and boycotting and yelling at the companies that tell US what to do with what WE bought.

Enough is enough.

For ****'s sake, I swear to god when are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

I don't know how many times I need to keep explaining this. Apple's update is designed to work with the iPhone as it was originally produced. AKA, an iPhone whose warranty and contract has not been voided. They in no way need to release "hacked-iphone-compatible" patches. Any smart person would realize that modifying with the internal software, changing it's architecture, pretty much denies you any sort of update that is guaranteed.

Apple is not destroying anything here. They have released a software update for the iPhone 1.0. You are the one who is stupid enough to not understand the risk in updating a phone with software that is now not entirely compatible with your product. If it bricks it well, that's your own damn fault for modifying with the product.

If you have a game, and install a NoCD crack, and then the company releases a patch and then the NoCD patch doesn't work anymore, whose fault is that? They released an update. Sure it got rid of your NoCD crack, but that's your own damn choice and fault for installing it.

The point dud was trying to make is that Apple intentionally is bricking iPhones that are hacked in some way.

THIS I think is horrible of a company to do.

HOWEVER, even with as much as I despise Apple, there's no evidence that they purposefully wrote the update to brick hacked iPhones.

This exact same thing happened with the PSP.

Why is it a horrible thing to do? Why should Apple have to worry about your hacks? Yes, the law gives owners the right to hack their devices, but that doesn't mean that the manufacturer needs to account for those hacks. The manufacturer doesn't have the desire nor the time to account for every user made hack out there. So if you hack up your iPhone, know full well that Apple is going to brick your phone. If it's a constant strain on Apple to get around the hacks, then they might release and unlocked version.

If you don't agree with the EULA buy a different phone.

This is all kind of moot since you can now unbrick your iPhone. That software service people used (the one that costs $99 to unlock it) works with the latest firmware.

You need to re-read what I wrote.

1. Making an update and saying "hey, we're not supporting this if it happens to brick your hacked iphone" is fine.
2. Making an update with the sole intention of breaking any hacked iphone is NOT okay.

That was the distinction I was making.

I haven't paid too much attention to this matter because I really don't care, but wasn't what Apple did more like #1 than #2? Pretty sure only a few people got bricked, it's not like Apple intentionally set out to destroy rogue iPhones.

Unless they did and I'm wrong.

I never said they did, and there's no solid proof either way. I'm only saying that's what dud is suggesting >.>

I can't imagine it BREAKING the phone itself considering all the hacks do is access the phone's API. If the update changes the API, then the hacks would just not work. If the update bricks the phone, you've kind of got to wonder what's going on.

I can't imagine how the update would brick your phone anyway. All it does is remove the hack to where you have to use an AT&T SIM card only. Either sell the phone or get AT&T.

Again, this is why I'm never going to get an iPhone until 2012. To get the phone, I have to break with my current provider and go with another. Some choice this is. Cell phones and providers should be a many-to-many relationship not a 1 - 1.

I hear it does something with the modem as well, but I don't know off the top of my head.

They are saying now that it's pretty rare for it to brick your phone. Also that it has bricked just as many non-modded phones as it has modded. The update wasn't made to specifically brick modded or unlocked iPhones, AND they even said the update might mess modded phones up, so people shouldn't load the update..

No 3G, no decent camera, 02 shafted me not long ago == no iphone for me.

No grief either though

My feelings in summary are that:

1. You shouldn't dick around with something this high tech when you're at the mercy of regular updates.
2. Being tied to one network put me right off getting one in the first place.