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ban the water bottle (US)
2007-10-10, 6:04 PM #1
"When I see people at the airport go over to a vending machine and waste their money buying bottled water at the vending when it's standing right next to a water faucet, you really have to wonder at the utter stupidity and the responsibility sometimes of American consumers,"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/2007/10/us_activists_call_for_consumer.html
2007-10-10, 6:18 PM #2
Here here!
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2007-10-10, 6:24 PM #3
Aye!
2007-10-10, 6:28 PM #4
Funny that Rocky Anderson said that. It's well known here that he loves the bottle. :colbert:
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2007-10-10, 6:38 PM #5
Yea but sometimes tap water sucks a lot. Plus, it can be more convenient to carry a bottle of water around.
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2007-10-10, 6:47 PM #6
The problem is people are too stuffy to reuse waterbottles.
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2007-10-10, 6:48 PM #7
Originally posted by mb:
Yea but sometimes tap water sucks a lot. Plus, it can be more convenient to carry a bottle of water around.


Exactly. I've gone to more than a few water fountains where the water just tasted nasty. Paying a buck for a bottle of water wouldn't be my FIRST choice, but it's better than drinking nasty water.
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2007-10-10, 6:54 PM #8
Damn treehuggers.
2007-10-10, 7:07 PM #9
Just buy a nalgene. It'll last you forever if you don't lose it, and the water tastes fine. If you have supertastebuds get a kleankanteene or similar type stainless steel bottle. They leave absolutely no flavor in the water. They dent pretty easily though, unlike nalgenes.

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2007-10-10, 7:14 PM #10
Originally posted by Spook:
The problem is people are too stuffy to reuse waterbottles.


Don't they start to build up bacteria if you reuse them too much? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going by a foggy memory of a Dateline NBC special and a couple conversations with friends that I had months ago.)
2007-10-10, 7:14 PM #11
Nalgenes are a good idea.

It's true that sometimes tap water really sucks, though. The fountains at school taste absolutely terrible, I can't bring myself to drink from them.
2007-10-10, 7:18 PM #12
Originally posted by SithGhost:
Don't they start to build up bacteria if you reuse them too much? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going by a foggy memory of a Dateline NBC special and a couple conversations with friends that I had months ago.)


You wash them if you're picky. Ive been using my nalgene for like 3 years, its been to jamaica and back, and its fine.

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2007-10-10, 7:22 PM #13
Originally posted by Greenboy:
You wash them if you're picky. Ive been using my nalgene for like 3 years, its been to jamaica and back, and its fine.

I think he meant disposable water bottles being re-used, not Nalgenes.
2007-10-10, 7:27 PM #14
I can't stand city water. I have water delivered to my house. It's purified through reverse-osmosis so it doesn't taste like something skimmed off of a sewage settling tank. :eng101:
2007-10-10, 7:31 PM #15
I thought they showed one study where the water in a toilet is 'cleaner' than the water in a public fountain
2007-10-10, 7:34 PM #16
Originally posted by Aglar:
I think he meant disposable water bottles being re-used, not Nalgenes.


Yeah, like washing out a gatorade bottle and then using it as a water bottle for the next five weeks or longer. Although I don't know why it wouldn't carry over for nalgene bottles.:confused:
2007-10-10, 7:53 PM #17
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I can't stand city water. I have water delivered to my house. It's purified through reverse-osmosis so it doesn't taste like something skimmed off of a sewage settling tank. :eng101:


same, at home at least.

the tap water in my college town of evanston is worse (think swimming pool water), so a brita filter is a must. though my roommate needs to stop using tap water to fill the ice machine.
2007-10-10, 8:00 PM #18
I have a nalgene, but I also dont carry it with me all the time. I don't think buying poland spring bottles to replace tap water is a good idea, but I dont think its "stupid" that I'll buy a bottle of water at the vending machine.
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2007-10-10, 8:32 PM #19
Originally posted by ragna:
the tap water in my college town of evanston is worse (think swimming pool water), so a brita filter is a must.


it's true. I lived in evanston for two summers, and it made me want to die.
2007-10-10, 8:34 PM #20
This thread is lame.

If you want bottled water you buy it.

You use more energy trying to recycle plastic than you do making new plastic.
2007-10-10, 8:55 PM #21
Originally posted by Rob:
This thread is lame.

If you want bottled water you buy it.

You use more energy trying to recycle plastic than you do making new plastic.

While that's true, plastic doesn't biodegrade like other materials. I think that's the big stink people have with plastic.
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2007-10-10, 9:02 PM #22
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I can't stand city water. I have water delivered to my house. It's purified through reverse-osmosis so it doesn't taste like something skimmed off of a sewage settling tank. :eng101:


That's an entire butt load cheaper than buying a bottle of water from a vending machine, which in most cases, it just purified tap water.

I carry a Nalgene bottle with me all the time, and the tap water here is really good, so I don't need to buy water. If the water was bad, I'd just get a Britta type filter and still drink from the tap. If the water was even worse than that, I'd be getting the big 5 gallon jugs.
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2007-10-10, 9:03 PM #23
Tap water in most of the first world is healthy. Period. If you don't think so, do some research.

So that, then, narrows the issue down to two factors: taste and cost. Taste: well, to each his own. I've only come across one drinking fountain in my life whose water I thought tasted bad. Then there's cost. Bottled water costs five hundred times more than tap water. Yes, five-hundred.

When people claim they can taste the difference, they're usually full of themselves. See: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6769966377964903559&q=bull****+tap+water&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Personally, I think you'd have to be bat**** insane to buy bottled water.
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2007-10-10, 9:10 PM #24
Help me, I've lost my mind! I was thirsty and bought a bottle of water for class!
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2007-10-10, 9:12 PM #25
That could have easily been a dollar saved and you could've got free water.
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2007-10-10, 9:17 PM #26
There's nothing wrong that he values a bottle of water for one dollar. Anything lower is just some consumer surplus. Maybe he gets psychic benefits from having a cool looking bottle, or by thinking that he is drinking "better" water?

It's their choice. It might be irrational, but they do it anyway because people prefer to remain rationally ignorant.
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2007-10-10, 9:19 PM #27
I use a Brita filter for my tap water. Most municipal tap water is just fine, but not everybody gets it. My parents get water from a private well built for their subdivision, so they buy their drinking water. The water from the tap at their house isn't as healthy as municipal water, and tastes strongly of chlorine due to the sanitation process.
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2007-10-10, 9:20 PM #28
Not only can I taste the difference but sometimes it makes me dry heave.

Plastics lose some physical properties when made into bottles. The max you can have is 40% recycled material and bottling plants only ever use scrap from their own processes. Used drinking bottles are turned into stuff like cheap u-lay and trex. They do not use recycled bottles to make more recycled bottles.

Plastic is a lot more biodegadable than glass.
2007-10-10, 9:20 PM #29
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That could have easily been a dollar saved and you could've got free water.


Yea but the bottle meant I have water in class and I don't have to leave. Why is that bad?
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2007-10-10, 9:20 PM #30
<genk> am i the only person that see bottled water as a necessary evil?
<genk> honestly
<genk> if people want to be stupid and help the economy that way, fine, let them!
<genk> BUT, it can be DAMN convenient, and that c-word is what you pay for
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2007-10-10, 9:25 PM #31
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Plastic is a lot more biodegadable than glass.


True, but glass is infinitely recyclable into more glass. Glass bottles can always be made into more glass bottles, or if you want to do it the smart way, sterilized and re-used.
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2007-10-10, 9:36 PM #32
That's true, but it's not like recycled plastics have no use. Wood-plastic composites can go as high as 30/70 while still retaining most of the non-structural properties of ordinary wood, they require virtually no long-term maintenance and they don't contain harmful preservatives. 99% recycled material.

There are also extremely promising results using microwaves to depolymerize plastics.

Glass is a poor packaging material. More shrink, more mess. And it's not like they reuse beer bottles, either.
2007-10-10, 9:37 PM #33
Vending machine water doesnt bug me so much as the people who buy huge crates of bottled water at costco or whatever. especially when they get the little 4-8oz bottles.

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2007-10-10, 9:39 PM #34
Originally posted by mb:
Yea but the bottle meant I have water in class and I don't have to leave. Why is that bad?


It's bad because it exorbitantly expensive. As for "having it in class," it is quite possible to bring a container of your liking to class full of tap water.

This process is however quite complicated. First, you have to procure some kind of container to hold water. It's pretty much rocket science, so don't worry yourself about it too much. Then you have to find a faucet somewhere. This can be very difficult..
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2007-10-10, 9:59 PM #35
The expensive argument is kind of dumb because if someone is willing to pay the high price for a bottle of water then they're willing to pay the high price. It's their choice to do so. No one is putting a gun to their head.
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2007-10-10, 10:16 PM #36
Originally posted by Avenger:
The expensive argument is kind of dumb because if someone is willing to pay the high price for a bottle of water then they're willing to pay the high price.


So.. no need for marketing then, right?
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2007-10-10, 10:21 PM #37
Natural spring water. Straight from the new jersey tap. >__>

o.0
2007-10-10, 10:23 PM #38
Over here, I like water bottles. It means the water is fresh.
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2007-10-10, 10:32 PM #39
America's land of excess encourages people who think they need bottled water to have good tasting water.

The amount of money you've spent on bottled water in the last 2 years is probably more than enough to pay for a proper purification system for your city. Had we taxed people to improve city water, all of the conservative ninnys would have complained.

So instead you waste millions of dollars in recycling, production, consumption, and handling of an absolutely useless commodity that does nothing but take money out of the hands of the people because you don't want to pay taxes for a far cheaper service that will benefit absolutely everyone.

But taxes to support the FCC protect people, Kirby. What is clean tasty water going to do for people? It sure won't stop them from swearing!
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2007-10-10, 10:42 PM #40
Originally posted by Freelancer:
So.. no need for marketing then, right?


It's still their choice.
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