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ban the water bottle (US)
2007-10-12, 10:25 AM #81
Originally posted by Freelancer:
And if you consider plastic "unnatural," then you have to consider glass unnatural too. Neither of the two do you find in nature.


actually sir...

you do find glass in nature!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_glass

and even more so!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian
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2007-10-12, 10:29 AM #82
Originally posted by Recusant:
Dude, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Actually pick up a book on soil chemistry and you'll read all about the silica and mica sheets that constitute most clays.


No one goes out and digs up a piece of mica to use as their window. :rolleyes:
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2007-10-12, 10:53 AM #83
on a completely different note... while i do care about the environment, i am sick and tired of of all the doom and gloom environmentalists calling for immediate legislation. calling for vast amount of legislation when truly there is so little that is really understood about climate change is irresponsible and to me seems somewhat dangerous. people have FAR too much certainty about a relatively uncertain issue.

again... if someone wants to come up with a feasible unobtrusive method of voluntarily replacing plastic bottles, then i will be excited to see it happen.
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2007-10-12, 11:56 AM #84
Might I point out to anyone reading this, Darth_Alran's sig goes well with his post.
2007-10-12, 12:06 PM #85
werd up to Darth Alran.
2007-10-12, 12:15 PM #86
Yeah, alran and saberopus have their heads screwed on straight. Always have.
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2007-10-13, 10:58 PM #87
I can understand not wanting to drink tap water, but it really is better to get a Pur or Brita or other name-brand filter. Water bottling companies lately have tended to buy up and monopolize water sources in third-world countries (not to mention the amount of plastics wasted by the bottles themselves).

The only bottled water I let myself buy is the stuff they sell at Starbucks that goes to bring clean water to children in developing nations or whatever.
2007-10-13, 11:15 PM #88
Let's not forget that a lot of bottled water is just tap water anyway. :eng101:
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2007-10-13, 11:43 PM #89
i still don't get whats so hard about carrying a water bottle. I bet most of you carry around a cell phone, mp3 player, and other random things you consider essential. Waterbottles are just one more thing to add. I just throw a carribeaner on my and clip it to my pants if I'm too lazy to carry it. If you carry a backpack there really is no good excuse to not get a nalgene or equivalent.

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2007-10-14, 7:10 AM #90
Nothing is hard about it, its paying for a bottle of tap water that we can't digest. I'd rather have the water from my tap. Tastes good.
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2007-10-14, 7:41 AM #91
(I know I'm coming in way late.. sorry)

But, I agree it's a stupid thing to spend money on, but isn't it their money and their choice to do so?
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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2007-10-14, 7:46 AM #92
Yeah, but it's a stupid choice is the point lots of people are trying to make.
2007-10-14, 8:59 AM #93
Yeah, nothing good comes of it. They're hurting themselves by buying bottled water. They're ruining our economy, causing excessive waste, and lowering the quality of their own tap water with every bottle they consume.

And if you care, you're probably taking water out of the mouths of people in third world countries.
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2007-10-14, 10:14 AM #94
Originally posted by JediKirby:
They're ruining our economy


:psyduck:

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lowering the quality of their own tap water with every bottle they consume.


No?

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And if you care, you're probably taking water out of the mouths of people in third world countries.


Dude, the water comes out of our own reservoirs, it's not like we're going over there stealing it with a giant hose and coming back with it.
2007-10-14, 10:36 AM #95
Originally posted by JediKirby:
And if you care, you're probably taking water out of the mouths of people in third world countries.


What.

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lowering the quality of their own tap water with every bottle they consume.


On the contrary, the tax from the sale of bottle water can be used for public service programs, such as improving water treatment.

And bottle water plants give people jobs and more spending power, which can help the economy. I never heard bottle water is hurting our economy. Proof?


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2007-10-14, 11:44 AM #96
#1: Bottled Water has questionable health issues.

#2: Some bottled water is actually tap water that has already been paid for by taxes.

#3: Other bottled water is bought from reservoirs in other countries.

#4: I don't, and will never buy the concept that jobs created by a broken and corrupt industry means good economy. A 100 year lightbulb is good economy. Cheaper lightbulbs means less expenses which means less money which means more spending power which means more economy which means more jobs. It's more complex to explain, but the exact same is true if we paid what we pay for bottled water into our public water resources. If your water bill could eventually be little to nothing, you'd have more spending power, and so on, and so on. Same with legacy fuel.
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2007-10-14, 11:47 AM #97
...Couldn't just about every single argument in this thread be applied to every single drink that comes in a plastic bottle?

LETS ELIMINATE SODA. :D
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2007-10-14, 11:49 AM #98
No, because Soda isn't a natural resource that is necessary for life, and isn't already provided by tax payed public services.
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2007-10-14, 11:55 AM #99
Then don't buy the water that supposedly just comes from taps?

There was a brand of bottled water here that had really high sales for a bit right after it was released, then people discovered it was actually just London tap water and the company were ordered to take it off the shelves by the good ol' British Government. :D
nope.
2007-10-14, 1:24 PM #100
Originally posted by JediKirby:
I don't, and will never buy the concept that jobs created by a broken and corrupt industry means good economy.


Exactly. Basically taking tapwater and doing a 5000% markup on it is not good for the economy. When will you guys get it through your heads that bottled water is MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GASOLINE? That's completely f'ed up.
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2007-10-14, 4:01 PM #101
Originally posted by JediKirby:
#1: Bottled Water has questionable health issues.


Unrelated issue to what I said.

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#2: Some bottled water is actually tap water that has already been paid for by taxes.


Any other companies use resources that are tax-funded too. Roads being one.

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#3: Other bottled water is bought from reservoirs in other countries.


Where would be one place where people are dying of thirst because a water company is taking water from clean water source?

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#4: I don't, and will never buy the concept that jobs created by a broken and corrupt industry means good economy. A 100 year lightbulb is good economy. Cheaper lightbulbs means less expenses which means less money which means more spending power which means more economy which means more jobs. It's more complex to explain, but the exact same is true if we paid what we pay for bottled water into our public water resources. If your water bill could eventually be little to nothing, you'd have more spending power, and so on, and so on. Same with legacy fuel.


You have yet to provide evidence of it being noticibly "bad" for the economy, other than morals.


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Exactly. Basically taking tapwater and doing a 5000% markup on it is not good for the economy. When will you guys get it through your heads that bottled water is MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GASOLINE? That's completely f'ed up.


That's because most people who buy this stuff are naive in the first place. If you can make such a strong profit off of the ignorant population, then prehaps it is society who are "f'd" up in the head. Personally, I think it's brilliant, selling such a common thing to people.
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2007-10-14, 4:53 PM #102
Originally posted by JediKirby:
#3: Other bottled water is bought from reservoirs in other countries.


Yeah, from fiji. It's for art fags and sportos.

Most of it comes from our reservoirs. DEE DEE DEE, because it's a **** of alot cheaper than taking it from anywhere else.


Tap water tastes different because of where it comes from THE TAP. There are a bajillion miles between you and the reservoir and wherever they clean it.

Bottled water comes straight from the place they clean it from, and does not contain the additives that MOST good tap water has. (Fluoride, etc)



But most of all.


IT'S INCREDIBLY ****ING CONVENIENT.

IF IT WERE MORE CONVENIENT TO WIPE OUT ASSES WITH RABBITS INSTEAD OF TOILET PAPER WE'D HAVE RABBIT CAGES IN THE BATHROOM.
2007-10-14, 4:54 PM #103
PS, printer ink is the most expensive liquid available to the average consumer.

Quit buying printer ink, newspapers, and books. You're ruining the ****ing economy!
2007-10-14, 5:17 PM #104
Originally posted by Rob:
PS, printer ink is the most expensive liquid available to the average consumer.

Quit buying printer ink, newspapers, and books. You're ruining the ****ing economy!

Uh, I'm not really going to take sides here, but that argument is really, really stupid. Printer ink is not readily available on tap throughout your house.
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2007-10-14, 5:55 PM #105
Originally posted by Rob:
PS, printer ink is the most expensive liquid available to the average consumer.

Quit buying printer ink, newspapers, and books. You're ruining the ****ing economy!


Printer ink isn't the most common liquid on earth.
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2007-10-14, 6:01 PM #106
I love bottled water, Jesus if you recycle the bottle why is it such a ****ing crime to want some nice cold water?
2007-10-14, 6:44 PM #107
Originally posted by Emon:
Uh, I'm not really going to take sides here, but that argument is really, really stupid. Printer ink is not readily available on tap throughout your house.


Why? It's just water and pigment.

You know, pigment is available all around you. And for the most part, it's freely available. Like water.
2007-10-14, 6:49 PM #108
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
I love bottled water, Jesus if you recycle the bottle why is it such a ****ing crime to want some nice cold water?


because it makes santa clause cry every time a baby penguin dies.:colbert:
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2007-10-14, 7:04 PM #109
Originally posted by Rob:
Why? It's just water and pigment.

You know, pigment is available all around you. And for the most part, it's freely available. Like water.

Uh, printer ink is a lot more than "freely available" pigment. The only "freely available" pigments anyone would have are from a handful of flowers from their back yard, which is absolutely nothing like what is used in printer ink.

Printer ink is also not bought in anywhere near the volume of bottled water, so it won't have the same kind of impact regardless.
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2007-10-14, 7:14 PM #110
Printer ink is expensive.
Plus without water bottles how will that hobo down the street make his living?
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2007-10-14, 7:23 PM #111
That was hardly a moral justification, Echoman. I just explained the economics of it. Cheaper natural resource being available to all means more spending power for the nation. More spending power means more buying which means more jobs.

And I'll look up some stuff about the water companies stealing from 3rd world countries tomorrow. I've got Ep2 to finish.
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2007-10-14, 7:59 PM #112
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
because it makes santa clause cry every time a baby penguin dies.:colbert:


So do I.

*sniffle*
nope.
2007-10-14, 8:23 PM #113
Originally posted by Echoman:


On the contrary, the tax from the sale of bottle water can be used for public service programs, such as improving water treatment.


sales tax doesnt apply to bottled water because it is a food good.
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2007-10-14, 8:33 PM #114
Originally posted by Ford:
sales tax doesnt apply to bottled water because it is a food good.


Depends on which state you live in. Kansas taxes food goods.
2007-10-14, 8:35 PM #115
point taken. so if someone were on federal welfare and using whatever the modern equivalent of food stamps is (here its like a debit card) they would still have to pay the sales tax? or would they be covered under the plan?
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2007-10-14, 8:38 PM #116
Mmm... Bulk water bottles...
(Tap water round here is iffy at best, So bite me)
2007-10-14, 8:55 PM #117
Originally posted by Emon:
Uh, printer ink is a lot more than "freely available" pigment. The only "freely available" pigments anyone would have are from a handful of flowers from their back yard, which is absolutely nothing like what is used in printer ink.

Printer ink is also not bought in anywhere near the volume of bottled water, so it won't have the same kind of impact regardless.


You aren't seeing the point. :/


You pay more for bottled water because you are paying for the package. And that is basically it. :/
2007-10-14, 9:02 PM #118
The packaging does not cost that much. There's a huge markup on bottled water.
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2007-10-14, 9:34 PM #119
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
Mmm... Bulk water bottles...
(Tap water round here is iffy at best, So bite me)


Then get a water purifier. The reason your tap water sucks is because no one's paying for a better filtration system. Instead everyone's buying bottled water.
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2007-10-14, 9:40 PM #120
Originally posted by Ford:
point taken. so if someone were on federal welfare and using whatever the modern equivalent of food stamps is (here its like a debit card) they would still have to pay the sales tax? or would they be covered under the plan?


In Idaho, there is sales tax on food but no sales tax on food stamps. I can't speak for other states but I imagine they don't tax food stamps either.
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