I thought about homosexuality today and wondered about something.

As we know, according to the Bible, homosexuality (or homosexual acts) is a sin which leads to spending eternity in hell. So why do some people have to get cursed with this sin that is out of their control? I mean you don't choose who you're attracted to. If the Bible only covers homosexual acts, isn't it also a cause for great suffering to not be able to have a satisfactory sexual life? Is God punishing these people for something?

Typically those who believe it is a sin also believe it is the person's choice.

Remember kids, not only is homosexuality an abomination, but so is eating shellfish!

Ha HA! Hell, here I come!

the bible? I wouldn't bother trying to make sense of that.

Then damn me twice and spank me senseless.

In b4 Vin

The bible lists all sorts of things that are sins. According to the bible, sinning doesn't automatically condemn you to hell, either. Perhaps you should read it for yourself rather than listen to what a bunch of anti-gay whack-jobs think.

He didn't say sinning puts you in hell, he said leads to. Perhaps you should read his post for yourself.

Eh, I don't think sins necessarily lead you to hell. It goes something like this:


In simple words, the idea is if you believe in Jesus and ask for forgiveness, then you will be saved from your sins.

Unless you commit suicide, I guess. Cause at that point it's a wee bit too late to repent.

Krokodile I thought the same exact thing.

It's one of the many reasons I lack the faith of God.

Uh, no. It sounds more like a misconception on your part (or whoever told you this).

These crazies pick one phrase out of the bible, latch onto it like it's the most important thing ever, and base their hateful lives around it. Why not just delete the entire old testament, and anything that doesn't directly have Jesus' teachings in it, for that matter. Focus on what Jesus taught and you'll find it a lot more satisfying to be a Christian.

Agreed. The NT overrules a lot of what the OT said.

For example, the OT said that any food from the sea without fins or scales was unclean. In the NT, any food is good as long as you say a blessing over it.

Big difference and I can eat my shrimp.

God's a confusing guy. Makin' rules, breakin' rules, then makin' new ones again. Funny how a God is even subject to emotions like love, jealousy, anger, and forgiveness.

BTW, small stature is not forgiveable.




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Sithlord is right. Kroko, you're making several assumptions here that range from "not true at all" to "not actually known"

correct.

by default, yes. But you're missing the whole point. (see Sithlord's post above mine)

All sin is out of our control. That's the whole point. Regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not, I garuntee you, it's not any harder for a homosexual man to avoid having impure thoughts about another man as it is for a heterosexual man to avoid having impure thoughts about a woman. Both are equally sinful, and we're both equally condemned to hell. So it's not fair to say that God's singling out homosexuals unfairly.

Why shouldn't he be, Kirbs? We have those emotions and we were created **in his image**.

The Bible was written by people with some obvious bias on their part. Why people continue to take it as anything else baffles me.

I wouldn't say it was written with bias as much as it was interpreted with bias.

Because there are some people who don't disagree with the bias. I agree - if anyone thinks that the Bible is without bias is an idiot.

Isn't this just kind of an extension of the problem of pain?

He's supposed to be perfect. Jealousy and anger are negative and contradictory to perfection.

We just don't understand him Emon.

Oh jolly good let us just get right on with the pretension then!

I wish people would stop thinking its good to respect peoples views just because they hold those views. Sure, you can believe in whatever. That doesn't make it any less stupid.

I agree with that, its all a bunch of crap. No i have not read the WHOLE thing all the way through. But hay im admitting it and telling you up fromt, so none of you little christian girls yell at me for saying that i have read it all the way through. ITs still a load of crap. I dont believe in religion at all, so im totally not for Gay people bein evil. Gay ppl may be alot of things but they are not evil, far from it. I believe that you do not have a choice and that gay people cant help it if there gay. As someone said you cant help who your attracted to so why bother to try and fight it.

As far as religion gose, really, out of all the stars and all the plantes and how big the universe is, do you really think there is just ONE god that JUST made this ONE earth. And even if thats true, do you really tihnk its YOUR god, out of all the others out there. Your god who hasent even been around that long compared to most. Really, its a total waste of time scam, just like scientology, only not as direct.

I kind of have to agree with Greenboy.

And it's only pretentious because it sounds absurd when I say it. Christians feel they have a personal connection with a being that I can't understand, and claim to know more about something that we simply cannot know about, and even claim that the thing we can't know about acts like us.

It just doesn't have any groundings in logic or reality. Play it up to faith, sure. Argue it's not unrealistic or hard to stomach, and you're just denying your logical brain completely. And yes, I do have a problem with people piling barrels of energy into something that defies logic and reality. Yes, that's a big big problem with me.

Only a HUMAN could dreame up a religion so naive. thats not even the word, but think, you can do whatever you want to do, as long as you go to confession and are really sorry about it. Thats stupid. I mean reincarnation is more believeable than that......

This isn't really a debate for people who can't properly convey what they're thinking.

Also one of my biggest beefs with Christianity is that followers tend to be against separation of church and state. They usually want separation of all religions except Christianity and state.

A Quote: [quote=François-Marie 'Voltaire' Arouet]“If there were no God, it would have been necessary to invent him.”[/quote]

Isaac Asimov has some of my favorite religious quotes.

"I prefer rationalism to atheism. The question of God and other objects-of-faith are outside reason and play no part in rationalism, thus you don't have to waste your time in either attacking or defending."

"There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death."

"One would suppose that the battle for religious liberty was won in the United States two hundred years ago. However, in the time since, and right now, powerful voices are always raised in favor of bigotry and thought control."

I'll one up you!

[quote=Mark Twain]
"I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment--until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors."[/quote]

Ha!

[quote=Ralph Waldo Emerson]Quotation confesses inferiority.[/quote]

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Meh. Most people want the government to play favorites with the group of people they identify with. It's not limited to religion.

Personally, I'm Christian but also Libertarian. I'm 100% against government intervention in matters such as marriage.

Wait, wouldn't that same logic apply to quoting that statement?

Yes.

Maybe I should go derail the social groups for president thread.

What's with people and derailing threads today? :<

I hope your post carried the same sarcasm that his did.

Please?

That's a threat.

Everything we've posted pertains to the topic. If religious ideals that abolish an entire group of people weren't taken so literally, then the original question wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

Besides, the original question is quickly solved: The people who believe homosexuals are going to hell already believe that they have a choice.