Worth noting, they're not zombies, they're vampires.

I thought it was pretty obvious that the vampires made the trap and put Fred there to lure Robert to it. I also just thought the head-turning thing was showing how Robert was starting to lose a marble or two.

Vampires definitely made the trap.

The one thing I wish they went into more was the effects of not seeing another human for 3 years. I think the fred-head-turn was part of that, and they did a really great job subtly putting things in about it, but I was hoping for more. I'm glad to hear they went into more detail in the book, which I will be picking up shortly.

I saw the head turn. None of my friends noticed, or could tell me one way or the other.

Also, how did Anna get off the island? She showed up in Vermont in an SUV almost exactly like the one Neville had, but the bridges were destroyed. How'd that happen? Or did my friend and I just find a plot hole (I think this is more likely)?

by being resourceful? having a boat? tunnels? Fail on the part of the military's quarantine?

That's why I wonder if it's possible that it was due to Robert going crazy that he created another trap and misplace Fred. Still I'll go with the fact that the vampires set the trap.

I've gotten in lots of arguments about the head thing, but I saw it turn, I so saw it.

I thought I saw it, too. Also, I thought that the pose slightly changed with each shot. The girl that I went with to see it thought that I was going crazy... which I probably am, but that's besides the point.

Robert made the trap, it was made in the exact same way as he makes them and even showed the pile of blood that he placed there (his head wasn't bleeding enough to make it) and on top of that you could hear him breaking his vile of blood as he stepped onto it.

I'm hoping to see it again soon, I'll pay more attention

It was the exact same way because the smart one copied him. That large puddle looked like water, not blood, and what I heard as he stepped in it was water splashing.

Same, and the water obscured the lasso for his foot.

I just saw it and loved it. But you guys thought that the zombie that kept coming after Neville was a "alpha male?" I thought that he was the zombie he captured's "boyfriend," for lack of a better word. He didn't get pissed when a couple of zombies followed Neville through the window. He got pissed when he captured the female, and he popped his head out to get a long, good look at Neville. From then on I thought that he was stalking Neville to get back at him for trapping the female.

As far as the snare goes, I agree with dud.

I noticed the head turn too... but i didnt want to say anything because I thought my mind was playing tricks on me >_>

That's what I think too, Joseph.

I'm bumping this because I just saw the movie.

I had REALLY low expectations for this film, and my expectations were shot out of the water. The decline of Will Smith's character was amazing, but I kind of wish they would've got more into his psych and into the minute little pieces of crazy that might crop up in a person.

The dog dying moved me way too much, especially having to kill it himself in that way. It really moved me.

Bob Marley was a wonderful person for the film to take note of. That made me really happy.

A question: What was going on with the plastic wrap on the bed, and the baby crib room? I have several explanations, but I would think it'd be a lot more obvious and I just didn't get it.

Yes, the second half felt rushed, and I am guessing the entire God part was in the book, and then sprinkled on in the film. It felt rushed and poorly edited.

I didn't think anything bad of the vampires. They seemed realistic enough, and their animation was well done. The animals bugged me more than anything.

ATTENTION: The head DOES turn. And I'm almost certain that the trap was set by himself. It used the bolted fulcrum and vehicle trick, and I have a very very very hard time believing that the film maker was trying to imply that the vampires made the trap. They would have alluded to it in some other way. Combined with the head turning, the breaking of the glass, and the very particular placement of Frank (Is the vampire going to keep all of his clothes positioned properly? Stand him up perfectly?) leads me to believe our main character was just going crazy and forgot about his trap.

Last but not least, I was hoping the end would have a giant statue of will smith's character in the future civilization of mankind.

Just watched the film last night, and I have to say I thought it was amazing. Really, really good. Anyway, some thoughts:

I don't think it was glass breaking that you hear when Robert stepped into the puddle. I think it was just an audio clue to let the audience know something was about to go wrong. I mean, why would he have left an intact vial of blood in the puddle? Those things are sealed, and wouldn't have lured in any vampires. Particularly since it was obscured by the puddle, too. Remember, Robert was hanging there from before midday to just before sunset. That's a good few hours for blood to drip out of his head (particularly since he's hanging upside down) and spread out in the water. It would probably appear darker due to the fading light, as well.

I thought I saw Fred's head move, too. Although I don't know if that's because I read it hear first and was expecting it

Seriously, Sam dying was way too sad.

I thought that one vampire was the "alpha male", too. At the end, in the lab before Robert blows them all up, the other vampires stand off and let him tackle the screen by himself. Even if he was doing it just to get at his "girlfriend", they certainly afforded him the respect of a leader (albeit an animalistic one).

That may have been a little rambling. Just some thoughts I had on the film in general, as well as on some of the comments here.

In the book, he attempts to stave off infection of his daughter by putting a mosquito net over his daughter's bed.

You know what? If you've made it this far into the thread, you deserve a spoiler.

When Robert blows up all the cars and goes upstairs and we get a shot of bloody flesh impaled by something (wood?), we all thought that he had killed Anna and Ethan.

Yeah, so did I

How did he manage to put Frank on the trap without setting it off? Why would he use Frank as bait, when it's clear the vampires don't go after the mannequins? This is a trap that would catch no one but Neville, so it makes no sense that he would make it himself. Saying, "BUT HE'S CRAZY" isn't good enough.

Not to mention, it looked a lot like the alpha male vampire was waiting for dusk to let loose those 3 dogs.

The more I read around the internet, the more I think you guys are right. But that means I think it's really dumb that there's this cat and mouse game between the alpha male and Neville. That just seems childish and ruins the realism for me.

I didn't really see it as cat-and-mouse. It seemed more like the alpha male was a progressive step for the vampires - much like "Day of the Dead" or "Land of the Dead".

When the alpha male almost ran out into the sunlight to save his girlfriend, Robert attributes it to "them going completely mad, and losing the last of their human instincts." At once, I called bs, and I think deep down, he knew it too. He just couldn't let himself think that these Dark Seekers were still human. He couldn't bear to believe that they still had thoughts and feelings, they would just be overcome by an insatiable lust for blood. So I think that his denial that they were still even remotely human is really just him lying to himself. I think they still were completely human, just really really really angry and bloodlusty.

SO. I think this trap was set by the Dark Seekers, and it proves that they are still fully intelligent and sentient beings.

I'm curious as to where the idea that the girl and the alpha male were girlfriend/boyfriend. I simply thought that he was angry that Robert had kidnapped one of their own and sought revenge for it.

I think it's half lack of a better word, and perhaps half again, the indication that they are less "animalistic" than we were led to believe, and he stagged this massive assault to get her back.

It'd be a cool movie from the other point of view. Here are these people, diseased and tortured, and then one gets kidnapped, and they stage a giant rescue operation to get her back.

shrug.

Yeah, the film shows no reason or evidence to believe that they were "dating" or anything.

Also as for the trap, I think it is one that Nevell set up and forgot about due to going crazy (that's at least what I got out of watching it twice)

Read the book.

There's no reason for him to have set up that trap in advance, and I don't think he was "crazy" enough to have forgotten about something he'd done days beforehand. Clearly he was employing a whole lot of mental defense mechanisms, but he wasn't as confused as, for example, Doc from Back to the Future. I believe this wasn't a trap he'd left there for a while because, from what I gathered of his methods, he would keep the same subject in his lab for days at a time, which means that the chances of him having more than one trap active at a time are very slim.

Already on page 37.

Plus, he just saw Fred a couple days prior. He commented him on his nice sweatshirt outside the movie rental place.

I think he set the trap, and the vampires watched him and noticed his attachment to Fred (Frank? Can't remember) and having learned to notice the traps, put Fred on the trap. Neville probably forgot in the heat of the moment. He has a "oh ****" look on his face for sure.

I just saw the movie tonight and loved it.

And I think the vampire set the trap, simply because of where the trap was.
When we see him set the trap it is in the dark entrance of a building that he know has them in it. The trap neville gets cought in is in a place that only became dark enough late in the evening after his alarm went off. It would simply be a terrible place for a trap. therefore it makes the most sense that the vampire set it. it also used different rope. If I remember correctly, Neville's trap used a metal cable while the fred trap use a rope that could be cut with his knife.

That's what I thought anyway.

Are they really vampires in the movie?

In the book there's garlic, stabbing them through the heart, direct use of the word vampire, the crucifix factored in, references to legendary monsters (which = vampires and not zombies).

In the movie, they share the characteristic of not being able to go out into the Sun. I don't know much about zombies, but do zombies have a problem with light or is that only vampires?

I don't think the movie adaptation makes the dark seekers "vampires" in any meaningful sense.

The reason I bring it up is that I think the movie would have been better with vampires instead of just crazy diseased people.

No, zombies do not have a problem with sunlight.

[LEFT]They're "Dark Seekers." People are calling them vampires because of how they react to sunlight and they are really really attracted to blood, and it's a generally understood term. And for some reason, they don't like Vinegar.... anyone have any explanation for that?
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oh god

Not another fu**ing zombie movie.

DO something about Cyborgs, or Aliens! Or Breasts! Jesus, for crying out loud. Original concepts anyone?

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Yeah I'm ****ing sick of people making TCs for old video games based on unoriginal marginally awesome sci-fi TV shows.



(Please more screens for the mod?)

i'm so going to rape you.

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  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

My guess is the Vinegar is just a strong smell that he was using to cover his own scent.