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Cloverfield - spoilers unavoidable, enter at your own risk
2008-01-17, 11:47 PM #1
So first of all I really liked it. I guess I can see why someone might not though.

My generalized ratings follow. Is this a spoiler? I dont know. If you dont want to know what I thought about the cinematography, dont read the next bit.


3d - 10/10 that was perfect
storyline - 8/10 Started a little slow...
cinematography - 8/10 Handcamera view was really cool I thought. Annoyed a lot of other people. The only part that annoyed me was he didnt point the camera at what I wanted to see!!!







Ok, now its time for thoughts / speculation. Chock full of spoilers. Don't say i didnt warn you!


There were a lot of sites out there apparently offering clues to the movie... I know Rob was going to work for Slusho, but im wondering if that had more to do with anything. On 1-18-08.com the Chefs picture has a recipie on the back that I think included something thats in slusho... maybe? I cant remember.

With all the viral sites out there, like the Oil mining company, they obviously thought a little bit about different perspectives of the story. Right now we're left with "this happened" without a why. its kind of sad :(

Also, do you guys think Lilly survived? I couldn't tell, but it looked like her helicopter was smacked down by the monster too.
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2008-01-17, 11:55 PM #2
The poster was a very blunt Deus Ex ripoff!
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2008-01-18, 12:03 AM #3
It was bad @$$... thats all I can say..

as for Lilly... I don't think that was her helicopter, it could have very well been, but it seemed that none of the characters really reacted in a strong enough manner for it to have been her helicopter. But that's just my opinion, as I said.. it very well could have been, the bouncy camera made it difficult to see certain things well.
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2008-01-18, 12:30 AM #4
this sites interesting (and contains spoilers):
http://www.jamieandteddy.com/

PW is: jllovesth

It gives some information about Slusho and Tagruato. I also read in a few interviews that slusho is "more" than just a drink. In one of those videos whatever her name is tastes part of that ingredient and it has an effect on her :O
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2008-01-18, 5:33 AM #5
I'm casually skimming the thread because I don't want to spoil the film. Here is what I would like to know from those that have seen it. How highly would you recommend the film and how satisfying are the shots of any creature or creatures that appear?
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2008-01-18, 6:21 AM #6
I saw it toda, it was a kick-*** film, though I have not been feeling well recently so the wole handheld cinematography made me feel a bit ill at times.

I also though it was great how at times the went to the coney island footage, just to contrast the great times that they werehaving then, with the hell on earth that was that day.
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2008-01-18, 7:45 AM #7
The movie was pretty good. I loved how well the visual effects were integrated into the video camera footage (e.g. the subway scene.) The movie wasn't scary at all for me, but was definitely thrilling. I suggest everyone see this movie with a row of teenage girls behind you, it ups the entertainment value ten-fold.
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2008-01-18, 8:12 AM #8
Yeah, I really enjoyed it for what it was. 2 people in my group got motion sick though. Definitely a lot of "WTF's!" shouted in the theater when it ended.

My only complaint is that is was so damn short. 12:20 it started after the previews, and it ended about 1:30 am. Factor in the 15 minutes of introduction footage - short short short.

Could've been a bit longer, but was great for what it was trying to do
2008-01-18, 10:12 AM #9
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I'm casually skimming the thread because I don't want to spoil the film. Here is what I would like to know from those that have seen it. How highly would you recommend the film and how satisfying are the shots of any creature or creatures that appear?


I recommend it… and as for the shots… im pretty sure my jaw hit the floor a few times
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2008-01-18, 10:16 AM #10
Originally posted by Demon_Nightmare:
12:20 it started after the previews, and it ended about 1:30 am. Factor in the 15 minutes of introduction footage - short short short.

IMDB says it's 90 minutes so you must suck at time. :colbert:

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2008-01-18, 10:26 AM #11
I think 84 minutes is the exact count. But that includes credits
2008-01-18, 11:01 AM #12
Yea it was short, but I think if it had been any longer it would have been dumb.
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2008-01-18, 1:17 PM #13
I saw it on Wed Night. Our theatre was doing an advanced screening and our staff ran it off at the end of the night.

It was pretty cool, but I also smell sequels, explaining alot more about very much like blair witch project where they find the camera and base the next movies on it.
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2008-01-18, 9:32 PM #14
Just got back. I really really liked it, although I'd say 90% of the people I went with didn't.

I'm going to be up for a while researching, because I want to know more. Since this is obviously a spoilers thread, can people post what they find out as they figure it out? Lets try to peice together what happened.
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2008-01-18, 9:55 PM #15
Damn I got sick. Made it through the movie but it killed me just about. Sweet and well worth the motion sickness though
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2008-01-18, 10:00 PM #16
Just watched it, and it was pretty awesome! I really loved the monster, but more so loved the perspective it was taken from. I would love to see it from the normal monster-attacked-let's-kill-it perspective too, to get a better understanding of why and how. My friend got motion sick from it too.
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2008-01-18, 11:56 PM #17
It was awesome, I have to say. I loved the camera angles. Although I'll agree with my brother that sometimes the dialogue was slightly unrealistic in that I wouldn't be crackin' jokes when I'm about to die, but, I understand why it was needed in the movie. 'Twas quite intense.
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2008-01-19, 1:31 AM #18
Buck as for the jokes... when some people get nervous they try to be funny. It didn't seem to out of place to me. I don't think that I would be making jokes like:
Whats that!? Hud: A terrible thing!



2 Interesting things people apparently have come across:

The last shot of Coney island. Top right i think people say they see something fall from the sky. Cloverfield monster? Debris from the monsters attacks?


During the credits apparently there is also a staticy voice. When reversed (i think you have to reverse it) the voice says "it's still alive". oooh Creepy.


side note: I keep hearing about slusho (a sea nectar!) has euphoric effects on people.



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2008-01-19, 7:27 AM #19
mb beat me to it, but I wanted to point out that my friend said he saw something fall from the sky and into the water in the last 3 seconds of the film. Since the last few seconds take place earlier, I wonder if the monster came from the sky/space in some way?

The seats were so packed I was in the third row and had a hard time watching everything going on.
2008-01-19, 8:14 AM #20
I saw it too, I was wondering what that was about myself.
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2008-01-19, 8:55 AM #21
So this is what I figured out last night.

WARNING. MASSIVE VIRAL INFORMATION/SPOILERS AHEAD


First thing, dates. The movie did NOT occur on 1.18.08. It occured in May, but I am unsure of what year, 2007 or 2008.

Slusho: Slusho is a super-popular drink in japan (Slogan: "You can't drink just six!"). Rob was going to work as the VP of Slusho, and his main job was going to be replicating the success of Slusho in America. Slusho is owned by Tagaruto, an oil drilling company (same company that owned the tanker in the movie). There is a "Secret ingredient" in Slusho, which is a substance (Sea Netcar) that they found in the ocean at a deep sea drilling platform in the Atlantic (off the coast of NYC, if memory serves).

Jamie: Jamie is the girl who was passed out on the couch at the party. There were 11 videos that she released to her boyfriend/exboyfriend "Teddy." She's pretty much a b*****. Teddy was transferred to an unknown place, and the videos were a way for her to keep in touch with him. After the 3rd or 4th video, we discover that he's no longer calling her/answering her calls. She's also sleeping with other guys, and not being very faithful to him... this is inferred. She gets a present from him, but she is told not to open it until December 9th. She's really irritated that he's broken off contact, and she finally opens the gift.
There is a hat (with the Slusho logo on it), a package of substance and a note that says "Don't eat this!", and there is a tape recorder. She's fairly pissed off at this point, (she was expecting jewlery) and she starts to listen to the tape. It's Teddy, saying he's been kidnapped by the Tagaruto company (oil refinery), and she probably won't hear from him again. He's going on about how NOT to call the police or it will screw everything up when she stops the tape and yells at the camera "if you wanted to break up with me, you should have just told me."
Over the next few videos, she is basically just yelling at him and telling him about how she's been sleeping around or whatever. Then she finally gets so irritated that she eats some of the substance in the package (assumed to be Sea Nectar). She says "Woah... what.. what is this stuff?" and then runs off camera. The next few videos track her descent into... something. She's clearly different. She's extraordinarily euphoric and happy with herself, but there is clearly something wrong upstairs. The last video is her sitting crosslegged infront of the camera with a teddy (Teddy is his name..) bear. She takes a pair of scissors (this is all extraordinarily calm and slow) and cuts off all four limbs from the bear, and then cuts off its head, and then the tape ends.

TIDO Wave. TIDO Wave (stands for Tagaruto Is Destroying our Oceans) is an enviromental group. I don't know much about them, a lot of then info has been erased ("hacked" by some other third party before I got to it), but obviously they are against the Tagaruto Corporation. It is theorized that the exploding girl is part of TIDO Wave. The entire time she seemed... off. More than can be attributed to shock. She never said "What was that!?" or anything, and she also said "I wasn't even supposed to be here." Not "I can't believe I'm here" but "I'm not supposed."

Back to Slusho, now that you have more background info: While widly popular in Japan, no one has been able (read: allowed) to study "the secret ingredient" (Nectar). There have been reports of scientists were are able to obtain small quantities of the substance, and it has shown fantastic properties. "short term exposure to the substance, some initial tests revealed accelerated cell growth, increased strength, increased soft muscle tissue growth, sharper eyesight better digestion, smoother skin, and a full-body, pleasant sensation that one of our researchers actually described as "a wave of pure happiness."

The Monster: There are two (and a half) major theories as to the origin of the monster at this point. The first (and half) is that it is either Teddy (the man Jamie's movies were for), or that it is a man named Ganu (I believe he is the creator of Slusho. He and his mother were both big into combining foods to make new tastes, and she died, and he went off to sea in search of the greatest ingredient. He found the substance, and it went in Slusho. He obviously works for Tagaruto, but we're unsure in what capacity, whether he has his own agenda or not).
The Teddy theory: He was kidnapped by Tagaruto (owner of Slusho, they own the drilling platform where Nectar is found), and for reasons unknown exposed to a large quantity of the substance, causing mutation. The Ganu theory: There was a news report of "a group of rebels" that ambushed him as he was leaving a resteraunt while on visit to NYC, and they poured a "mysterious" liquid over him. It's assumed that the rebels were part of TIDO Wave.
The 2nd Theory: The creature is actually just a deep sea creature, disturbed by the drilling. The substance is either the creature's eggs, or some part of the creature. This, naturally, pissed the creature off. La la la rampage.
I personally like theory 1/1.5. The creature does look vaguely humanoid, and I think it gives the movie some sort of deeper meaning, moreso than just generic monster on generic rampage.

The Mini-Monsters: Some think that they are part of the big monster/babies of the big monster. They fall off, then they bite people, and implant eggs (aka the substance that they drill from the deep sea drilling platform aka secret ingredient of Slusho), and then *chestburster.*

The Final Scene: The last scene of the movie, part of the original tape, Rob and Beth are on Coney Island. In the background, there is an object that falls from the sky and lands in the water. Most people miss this. It is theorized that it is part of a japanese satellite that fell from the sky. We are unsure how this is connected, however. It appears there is still more information to be released.

The Message: At the end of the credits, there is a garbled voice, and then you hear "It's still alive..."

So basically, no one has any idea why the movie is called Cloverfield (best theory so far: It looks like the monster has three toes... pretty dumb theory.), or what actually happens on 1.18.08.

Clearly, not all the information is out yet. What exactly is the object that falls from the sky? How does it connect to everything else? We know its only a few weeks before the events of the movie, and Slusho was already out then, so it clearly couldn't have anything to do with that.

Most people do agree, however, that Cloverfield is not done. The movie is only the begining of something. Perhaps more movies, perhaps something else.
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2008-01-19, 11:23 AM #22
I was told that there were three graphic novels to be released explaining Cloverfield in more detail.
2008-01-19, 2:46 PM #23
I really wanted some closer from this movie. SOMETHING at the end. SOMEONE telling me "what you've just seen... It was recovered... This is where we are now." My group was searching all over the internets for new information when we got back. The backstory they've created is awesome, but I really want to know what happens next.

dud,

I'm pretty sure Cloverfield was originally just a code name for the movie, though perhaps the military now uses it as the code name for the NYC attack.

You might have noticed yesterday's date, the date the movie was released, was 1-18-08. This might be retconned to actually have some significance to the film's events at some point, but right now it's just people looking for leads.
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2008-01-19, 3:42 PM #24
Did you catch what year the movie was set in? If we can find out if it's 2008, then I would assume 1/18 is when some event occured that created the monster. If it takes place in 2007, then... sequel?
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2008-01-19, 4:19 PM #25
The only thing we came up with during our searching last night were a few fan made timelines. Everyone seemed to think the movie would actually take place on 1-18-08. It's rumored that they even wanted to change the dates on the camera because so many people thought this. But, that wouldn't really make sense, what with everyone clearly being dressed for spring and Coney Island being open.
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2008-01-19, 5:21 PM #26
I think the biggest reason people thought it was 1-18-08 that everything was going to take place on was the nameless first trailer, and the website with the same name.
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2008-01-19, 5:23 PM #27
Oh... all the photos on that site are timestamped for that date.

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2008-01-19, 6:13 PM #28
I didn't read anything above so excuse me if I repeat things said.

Well in short, Cloverfield was worth my 1 hour and 30 minutes.

I liked how they didn't focus more on the details of the monsters and how it was more about how one guy tries to save the one he loves and get the hell out of there. It seemed more of a drama type of movie rather than a monster movie, according to wikipedia.

I didn't like how it was ambiguous and didn't tell much, but I guess this made the movie more interesting.

My only question is if it will have a sequel. I didn't stay after the credits but according to wikipedia, "it's still alive" is said at the end of the credits. IT ONLY MAKES IT MORE AMBIGUOUS


Oh yeah, Rob looks like Sarn in this movie.
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2008-01-19, 6:20 PM #29
pretty ure cloverfeild is what they call former Manhattan island, since they basically blew up the city trying to kill the monster, now that area is code names cloverfeild.
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2008-01-19, 7:02 PM #30
Oh I just saw those 11 videos and all I have to say is...

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2008-01-19, 8:06 PM #31
Originally posted by mb:
I think the biggest reason people thought it was 1-18-08 that everything was going to take place on was the nameless first trailer, and the website with the same name.


Yeah, that's pretty much all they had to go off of. I always knew it was just the release date and nothing more. I mean, when teaser trailers end with just a date like that, there's usually only one thing it means...
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2008-01-19, 8:09 PM #32
Oh yeah, just curious but how can you tell something is edible? I mean you find something wayyy under the sea, how will you know it's edible? Is there some chemistry test to it?
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2008-01-19, 8:52 PM #33
Originally posted by Grant:
pretty ure cloverfeild is what they call former Manhattan island, since they basically blew up the city trying to kill the monster, now that area is code names cloverfeild.


Even though your post was a gramatic failure, you are most certainly correct. On the official trailer for the movie, and at the very beginning of the movie, "Cloverfield" is what they call the area previously known as Manhattan/Central Park. Why? Well we don't really know. Military operations are often given strange titles, or it could just be that after Manhattan was nuked a field of clovers eventually began to grow.

Regardless, I absolutely loved the movie. It was everything I hoped for and so much more. I don't know if any of you remember my thread about this movie that I posted so long ago, back when the movie was at its height in viral marketing, but I really had high expectations for the movie and was definitely given my money's worth. I was a little bummed that nothing was revealed about the monster's origin, and why exactly it just randomly decided to start terrorizing Manhattan , though I figure they left that part up to the audience to speculate over, or maybe they'll cover it in a future film.

Also, I doubt that the creature is still alive, because if you check the website 1-18-08.com you'll notice the newest pictures that they added appear to show the monster's guts lying around everywhere, and a giant pool of blood in the ocean from the creature. However, after further examining the pictures, I've decided that these also could be whales of some sort that were victims of the monster.

Furthermore, the creature was showing signs of weakening throughout the movie as it was pummeled by cannons, machine guns, rockets, and bombs. At the end, if you didn't quite catch it, they basically initiated their last resort plan, which was basically to nuke the son of a *****. (Hence the bomb sirens and the extraordinary flash of light). If the monster was really taking damage from the previous shots and explosions, I'm pretty sure a nuke would have done the trick to finish him off.


All in all I really felt that this movie was spectacular, and I would absolutely recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it. I felt that the dialog was very well-written and coupled with the cinematography it made a very realistic experience. The camera angles and such did not bother me whatsoever, because it really helped add to the intensity and realness of the film. I am very sad though, that I missed the object falling out of the sky at the end of the movie, because I feel like whatever it was most likely had some great importance. Oh well, I'm sure that segment will be up on Youtube in no time.
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2008-01-19, 10:00 PM #34
Originally posted by Dark__Knight:
Military operations are often given strange titles...


This is what I'm thinking.

Quote:
Also, I doubt that the creature is still alive, because if you check the website 1-18-08.com you'll notice the newest pictures that they added appear to show the monster's guts lying around everywhere, and a giant pool of blood in the ocean from the creature. However, after further examining the pictures, I've decided that these also could be whales of some sort that were victims of the monster.

Furthermore, the creature was showing signs of weakening throughout the movie as it was pummeled by cannons, machine guns, rockets, and bombs. At the end, if you didn't quite catch it, they basically initiated their last resort plan, which was basically to nuke the son of a *****. (Hence the bomb sirens and the extraordinary flash of light). If the monster was really taking damage from the previous shots and explosions, I'm pretty sure a nuke would have done the trick to finish him off.


Actually, we concluded that those were the remains of another creature, perhaps a whale or something. The one injury on it clearly resembles a bite mark. The ending very clearly states that it is alive.

Just to be technical, I don't think it was a nuke. There are big bombs, there are really ****ing big bombs, and then there are nukes. No clover or any other plant life is going to grow in a nuked area for a very long time.

I left 1-18-08.com idle while typing this response. HO-LY **** that scared me just now!
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2008-01-19, 10:30 PM #35
lol that whale reminded me of "nuke the whale." Where did this "nuke the whale nonsense start anyway?
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2008-01-20, 1:25 AM #36
Yeah, They didn't nuke the city really, just bombed the hell out of it.
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2008-01-20, 11:34 AM #37
I'm pretty sure it was a nuke, or some other form of disastrous end-all bomb. If you listen carefully to what the solider tells them, he basically says that if they don't make it out of the city by 6:00 AM then they're going to die because the military is going to initiate their last resort plan, which is inferred as the destruction of Manhattan. This is also again restated when the helicopter crashes and you hear on the radio that "the target is still active", and that they're going to initiate the plan.

Right before they drop the bomb, the sirens begin going off in the city. This is to let you know that this isn't just some ordinary bombs being dropped by planes, because they've been doing that all night. This is a nuke, and the city is going to be destroyed. The monster may have survived, I guess, but regardless the military was going to go to any length to try and stop it. The title, Cloverfield, is most likely just the military's code name for the project, and probably has absolutely nothing to do with clovers growing in a field.
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2008-01-20, 12:47 PM #38
I'm pretty sure it wasnt a nuke. I know they said they were pretty much going to level the city, but a nuke would take out a lot more than NYC. Then again, who knows how far they were willing to go to take out the monster.
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2008-01-20, 3:23 PM #39
By feeding you to the monster mb. By the time it hits that 2nd layer of fat, the monster would probably have cardiac arrest and you'll still be alive while you regain your fat by eating the monster. haha :P
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2008-01-20, 3:24 PM #40
Since there is no name for the monster, someone here should come up with a name for it.
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