I hate the dualshock controllers anyway, they feel like they were made for people with small hands or disjointed thumbs.

I disagree!

Im intrested in getting an Xbox 360 however, but I need to save some cash for it...
Not sure about PS3 - need some convincing

Easy for you to buy a PS3. Your profession is the only one with a good outlook for job security.

I just looked on eBay, and tons of people are trying to sell PS3s for $450+...wtf? They retail for $400..

It's probably the old 60GB ones with the hardware PS2 backwards compatibility.

Fair point, but I work for a public service but my job security could be threatend if the government cuts spending on the NHS and other public services. I do feel your pain though (im worried about it all myself) :(.

Getting back to the subject, but I want to buy the right console - im still torn between the PS3 and Xbox 360. I can't decide! And I can't have both - I don't have a lot of room either...

Here's what it boils down to:
Do you need a Bluray player? I emphasized "need" because you may think you want one, but you really need to consider if you actually need one. On smaller HDTVs (like, < 42") the difference between a good upscaling DVD player and Bluray may not be as dramatic as you think. Research this well before you make your choice.

Do you care about the few remaining PS3-exclusive titles? Are there any 360 exclusive titles you're interested in?

Bluray and exclusives (and there aren't many) are the only reasons to get a PS3 over the 360. I'm not going to comment on Live vs PSN because I haven't used PSN, but I can tell you Live is worth every penny.

Intresting viewpoint, but I've heard about the Xbox Live feature - I'd take your word for it. Anyhow, I suppose the extras that come with the PS3 are worth it, but I've already got bored of my PS2 and its put me off the PS3 to say the least. Im keen to spend my money wisely. Thanks anyhow :).

If I have a wireless network, can I play bluray disks off of the PS3 from another part of the house, on a PC (also on this wireless network)?

No.

Trash.

I like PS3 for a few reasons...

It has wireless built-into it - no add-ons required.

Free online play. I don't think it should cost anything to play online - I already pay for my internet. Leave it at that.

One word - Blu-tooth. Up to 8 controllers (it's either 8, 7 or 6. I know it's more then 4). Mouse and Keyboard support for both the OS, and UT3. Possibly future games too.

Doesn't overheat like the Xbox. No external fan required.

No red ring of death.

Drakes Fortune looks incredible, Littlebig planet is incredibly fun, and Killzone 2 looks quite promising.

Dual-Shock > Xbox rumble. Dual shock has a much better rumble feel IMO, it captures direction, unlike the Xbox controllers.

Stock PS3 controller can be used on a PC if desired.

PS3 controllers recharge - no stupid batteries.

Linux, Windows 95 and Windows 98 are capable of being run on the PS3 (However, Windows is emulated. You could run XP and Vista but they run like junk. And I'm not sure what Microsoft would say xD)

Blu-ray player AND game support. If you have a big TV, this is good. Also, games can support much more content then Xbox games. MGS4 is a good example. Longer games can be made, better quality sound, etc as well.

You can connect a PSP to the system through wireless, and use it to control the PS3 as a remote.

Kirbs, someone managed to do that with his comp. He was able to relay the information from his comp to his PS3, and play PC games on it that way.

Right, that'd work. Do you have a link for it somewhere? I could do that for my new room.

Bluray vs hd dvd isn't noticeable to anyone who isn't intently looking or a nerd. my 56" TV with hd-dvds is perfectly good enough and a lot of people feel that way also. No average person knows what lossless audio means or why 20mbps data rate or whatever is better. This is the reason everyone owns DVD players, not bluray players.

My xbox 360 controllers recharge too, dunno what you are talking about.

Why would you run an OS on your ps3? Just to be cool or is there a reason?

An external fan for a 360? What on earth are you talking about?

Xbox 360 controllers can be plugged into PC as well...

Firstly, blu-ray hasn't been used yet. Noone's really used all the room on one. I'm mostly in it for the bigger games concept.

Secondly, I don't have any recharging controllers for the 360. You have rechargeable batteries? Or did you buy it like that? Either way, the stock controllers use batteries.

Thirdly, Not a clue - probably easier to browse the internet, watch online videos, etc.

Fourthly, we had to buy an external fan adapter that plugs into the back of the Xbox, because it was constantly overheating. Without it, at the length we play, the system would overheat and hang. It was annoying. You just wait until you fry something.

Lastly, You need a 360 controller with a cable to plug into the PC. You can't plug your wireless one in. PS3, you can use either the blu-tooth function or plug your USB cable in. Oh yeah, PS3 controllers just have to be plugged into a USB jack to charge. Not sure about recharging 360 controllers

Not sure Kirbs, you could probably easily find it on google.

no games that i know of support more than 4 players on one console though... and the bluray remote takes up a controller "slot" and it's bluetooth no dash and there is an e in blue...



the "sixaxis" feature is gimmicky... works fine for random gameplay elements like shaking the controller to do [actionhere] and it works fine for bowling... but using it for steering or flying makes most people head right for the analog sticks



actually the use of bluray for games is less useful than you realize... from what i've read/been told PS3 games have alot of redundant data on the disc due to limitations of the bluray disc format and it's read speeds



in my experience this is rather clunky and you're better off using the controller or the bluray remote



if you're running linux on it you could run basic games but the GPU on the system when running linux is forced to run in mode which would limit the kind of games that one could run

you can buy a rechargeable battery pack for the 360 controllers... there's a USB charging cable (play and charge) and a quick charge unit that plugs into the wall

and they make a wireless receiver for windows... works with all xbox360 wireless devices (controllers, headsets, etc) you can find them fairly cheap

I mixed bluetooth with blu-ray lol. Games usually support only 4 players, that's usually the case. But the additional slots allow for keyboard/mouse setups for 4 players if the game supports it

I was talking about the actual Dual Shock rumble feature. Not sixaxis. I couldn't care less about sixaxis. The rumble is nicer then the 360, and helps better define the direction in which the explosion/event that's causing it. That's why it's called Dual Shock - it's got 2 rumbles

Not a clue on what the read speed issue is, but I do know that it holds much more data. It's just to utilize it properly.

The bluetooth remote doesn't have a screen now, does it? Say your TV is in another room, and you'd like to hear the music playing, etc. you can just pop on your PSP, and VIEW what is happening on the PS3. Not the best feature, but it's there if you need it.

The games run off the PC are literally RUN OFF THE PC. It's just streamed to the PS3 for your viewing. Not really helpful to me, but it's something you could do if you lack an HDTV that supports PC inputs.

Can you see what I mean? I'm not saying the 360 is worse, or sucks, I'm just saying the PS3 isn't crap either.

Seems like the best thing to do, if you have the money, is to grab hold of both. The Xbox has more online related things, while the PS3 has various media features.

Remember, PS3 is competing not only against Xbox, but Ipod as well.

Didn't know about that wireless thing. But it's still dumb. You have to PAY EXTRA to get the feature, PS3 comes with it STOCK.

If you want all the features that the PS3 has, you have to pay up to get them. That makes the 360 more expensive then it seems. As far as I know, you still need a DVD playback kit to play DVDs. Then you have to pay around 30 - 60$ for a wireless adapter for your PC/recharging, then you have to pay for XBL, then you have to pay for the fan if you're getting overheating (which you will if you play more then like, 2 hours.) In the end, you've payed nearly the same price as the PS3... You'd be about 20 - 30$ less depending. I'm not sure how much any of the attachments cost but I do know that they'll push up the price.

In the end, I think I'll stick with my PC and just connect it to an HDTV...

I bought the cheapest xbox ($279 i think?) which came with a wireless (can be turned into wired with usb by just changing the back of the controller out with the included wire pack) rechargeable battery.

I leave my xbox on overnight sometimes, its never overheated? Played for more than 4 hours before too...Maybe it's because I don't have a harddrive heating things up.

DVD playback kit? Dunno, my xbox plays them fine without doing anything.

Didn't come with a harddrive, but that doesn't bother me because the memory stick it came with is small and save games take up an unnoticeable amount of memory. Only bad thing is I can't download demos, but I usually know my taste well enough to know if I'm gonna buy a game and I do the research.

Maybe mine is just newer and they did some changes?

I guess I just don't like the PS3 because I only view it as a gaming console. I already have a media center (desktop duh) so the extra added flashy cool things don't get me. Then again, I am rather basic in tastes.

Download demos on PC use thumbstick bam!

The 360 has USB ports for those also, in addition to the 4 wireless controllers possible + 4 wireless headsets.



No, it's called Dual Shock because it originally referred to the dual joysticks.



Yeah that'll be useful approximately never.



I don't know what you mean by "GAMES" since the PS3 cannot play any "GAMES" off of anything except the PS3 or MAYBE the PSP.

If you meant music/video, the 360 has had that for quite a while, and not just in the Media Center Extender either.



No, it just costs more for the same crap, has less players, has less games, etc.



As already said, unless you must have bluray, get a 360. Even then I'd just buy a bluray player because it's cheaper than wasting money on a PS3.



What the hell? No it isn't, it's not even close.



It is NOT stock. The cheapo 20GB PS3 does not have any wifi.



That was the original XBOX, not the 360. The 360 will play DVDs without anything else.



Actually, the wireless controller + USB charger comes with the higher end models. (Pro and Elite)



No you won't. My 360 has been on for 24 hours straight before and didn't so much as blink. And it's sitting on top of my HD DVR box which is like an oven.



In the end I think you should stop posting here because you've done nothing but make ridiculous assumptions based on ignorance and lies. Almost every single thing you've said about the 360 thus far has been incorrect.

The "dual" part of Dual Shock is intended to refer to the controller having two, or dual analog sticks. Yes, it has two motors functioning the rumble, but this is not designed to represent direction. In fact I don't think it could even function that way. It has two motors because one controls a small offset weight for rapid, buzzing rumbles and the other controlling a larger offset weight for more heavy rumbles.

Remembering the old days of NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, etc., I find it amazing that consoles can run Linux and be your 'home theater hub', if you will. They're becoming more and more like computers- like a "choose from three models" PC line, really..

crappy screenshot of a crap game is your argument?

Well, i got my PS3 for 250 bucks with 4 games and two controllers. I use the blu-ray for it and will probably buy blu-ray movies from here on. (Not those "re-released on blu-ray" crap that they have. Somehow, I don't see that making much of a difference)

the keyboard/mouse won't take up bluetooth slots unless using a bluetooth keyboard/mouse (last time i checked they were too expensive to bother with)



people already touched on the dual shock name but the xbox 1 and 360 controllers also have 2 rumble motors... don't speak when you don't know




that's called remote desktop... which is usually too laggy for any serious gaming







that's xbox 1




the wireless receiver retail price is $20.. you can easily find them alot cheaper... i got mine on clearance for $5

play and charge kit is $20 i've seen them cheaper ($10-15) i got mine for $4



only if you want to play online and it's not all that expensive.. should i mention i rarely ever get disconnected from live while PSN will disconnect randomly



wait haven't those external fans been linked to making the problem worse? and don't newer systems have proper cooling? i know i've seen photos from A YEAR AGO of the new cooling setup inside the system



this is all stuff you'd know if you did a few google searches and researched this stuff for a minute before posting




actually it's a meh screenshot of a good game

It's also stuff you'd know if you did anything except read "LOL PS3 IS WIN" blogs.

I did plenty of research when I bought the PS3. I have skewed the information since I don't remember it all, so forgive me for that, but some of what I've stated is true. And it didn't all consist of "LOL PS3 IS WIN" blogs... there were some, obviously, but barely. You seem to consistently misread my posts - you know what you should do? Ignore the post when you see the username is "Xzero". You obviously aren't a nice guy - you could have easily approached me with proper information, without ****ting in my face.

So, for **** sakes people, I'm just stating what I heard/read about. I never state that anything I say is completely true, in fact, I usually say it's out for debate. If I claim it's a fact (which I usually do with this sentence - "this is a fact") then I'm stating it's true, otherwise, don't count on it being completely accurate. It's just something I picked up from the research I did before buying the machine - which was months ago, so most of it is lost memory.

Right, so the 360 was useless to me as a media machine - the media extender is more useless then using a PSP to control the system from my kitchen. I have one here. All I can do on it is play Gears of War (which sucks on its own. Co-op is the only thing going for it really - doesn't look that great either :S) and Halo (which actually does look great - and is alright online.. oh yeah, we don't have XBL anymore. Bleh). Any other game I've played for it, weren't so great. PS3 is similar, but there are a few more that interest me. It's not like you can use a lack of games as a debate, since all systems are lacking games anyway. Games just suck these days.

I never actually knew what dualshock stood for, but as to why they called it dual shock for the analog is beyond me - makes more sense to talk about the rumble feature since a rumble "shocks"... Even if the 360 does have it, it's much less powerful in comparison. I've compared them directly, and the PS3 controller had a much greater directional vibration. The 360 felt dull, it did have left and right rumbles, but they were almost always going off together, and if I held the controller in the right position, they wouldn't rumble at all.

Now when I'm talking about Xbox Live, it's from the point of view from someone who's struggling for money (in this case, my family - or teenagers without jobs). If you already pay for internet and cable TV (need internet for research, etc. TV because everyone else wants it - or if you don't have any money) and you need to pay all the bills, and you're left with no money at the end of the month, then you won't be able to play Xbox Live. It's just dumb to pay for BOTH Internet, AND Xbox Live. You should be able to play using the internet now matter when, for free.

On the topic of newer system, I think the new Elite systems do have better cooling. That won't fix the red ring of death though, since it's an anonymous error. I heard they were making new models that will, once and for all, rid it of it's technical issues (it'll still have some, like any machine, but it won't be as bad..) - This statement isn't fact. It's simply "what I heard".

Right, so I never even found a wireless adapter (didn't know they even existed). No matter what machine I was buying for, controllers/adapters were always in the 30 - 50$ range. A regular, wired Xbox360 controller out here is like... 50$ :S

Like I said - AS FAR AS I KNOW - I tried playing a movie in our 360... and it didn't work... I'm guessing it's because of the Pro? Not a clue. Either way, it sucked because my PS3 can, so I'm good. Not sure what was up with that.

I don't even use bluetooth so whatever has to do with it isn't of use to me. I don't have 8 people to play with anyway. And I can't stand using a keyboard and mouse unless I'm at a desk. I'm just saying it was an available option - I was able to browse the web using my mouse and keyboard (Do it on your PC, PS3's web browser is much less then perfect. Hence why you put linux on it - it's so you don't have to buy a gaming PC, even if you can do so for around 600$ (mine cost 350$))

Yes, the streamed PC games are basically remote desktop. It functioned well enough to play a game without any issues, so I'm assuming it would be good enough. But you'd might as well play your PC games on your PC.

So Cool Matty, you're telling me the PS3 doesn't play any games? What about Uncharted, MGS4, ALL OF MY PS2 GAMES, Littlebig planet, upcoming Killzone 2, COD4, Devil May Cry 4, Folklore, Lego Star Wars, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Resistance Fall of Man, Soul Calibur 4, UT3, Haze and ALL OF MY PS1 GAMES. There are much more but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. You can't tell me that it doesn't play any games. At this statement, you were just being a fanboy.

The ipod thing was something I read on one of the game sites (don't remember the name, it's been a while). Ipod does have games now too (Ipod commercial where you can tilt the ipod to steer racing vehicles and such, can't remember which Ipod - probably touch), and it's the leader in media, and it looks to me like the PS3 and PSP are trying to compete - albeit not doing well.

I must be hell of unlucky though, since my 360 almost melted my PDZ disc for being on for 3 hours. Oh that's right, how many others have had this issue? The 360's failure rate, as far as my knowledge, is around 16 - 30%. That's pretty bad - and it used to be worse! I'm going to say it - google it. I'm not the only one with heating issues (I have the Pro console. It's pretty bare tbh. If you have an elite, then w/e, I don't know what's different aside from HDD space, color and extra cables.) Oh yeah, if you leave the console standing, you risk scratching your DVDs, how fun is that? I've been able to knock over my other systems while playing games and my CDs are fine

There's nothing but 40GB and 80GB versions of the PS3 here anyway (80GB are all that's left now - for 399$). 20GB and 60GB have been gone for a long while now, and the one I just bought (MGS4 80GB bundle) had PS2 backwards compatibility, more USB ports, SD Card readers, and various features that the new one doesn't have.

I'm never going to stop posting here, because I don't see any "lies" in any of my posts - and I'm free to do as I please, so long as I don't troll and cause utter havoc (which I'm not, I was simply stating what I thought was good about the PS3. I backed it up with memory-based information, which I never said was perfectly accurate.

What I do see, are posts trying to backup what I think I like about the PS3, and even if some of those posts may have improper information (mostly dualshock - which I admit was just pure assumption on the name), it's all based on my experience with the 2 systems. For examples, I've had to buy the external fan - I DON'T have the recharging wireless adapter (which the ps3 still comes with by default.) - I still have issues with heating, and I'm still liking the PS3 lineup of games more.

So in short, for consoles, PS3 is for me.

BTW,



You still have to pay for XBL. Did you not read the first part of that quote? lol

(No other quotes included because I'm too lazy. How you get so worked up on things, is beyond me. Caps is used to grab your attention - not seem like anger or whatever else. That is all :D)

PS: In all honesty, I think you're better off not playing games at all - these days the games just aren't worth the money. But if you insist on buying one of the consoles, grab the PS3 for it's media junk and the lineup of games (it's always about it's games.), the Xbox for online play and generally speaking, more games (doesn't mean better games but there are a lot more.) and grab the Wii for something new, or to play with friends.

Otherwise stick to PC.
I'm done posting huge posts. I'm not going to help anyone anymore since obviously, noone on this site likes help. It has to be perfectly accurate, purely expert, right down to specific details, information. I'd have to be a rocket scientist, or quote a wikipedia page in order for anything to be considered valid.

You guys are both dumb. It all comes down do what games you want to play, and how much blu-ray means to you.

I was planning on getting a PS3 eventually, but now that they don't have PS2 compatibility I probably never will.

you did research before buying the ps3 but that's not the point we were making it's do a little research before wasting everyone's time with posts full of misinformation and then don't take it so personally when people correct your misinformation

and what vinny said


also



no idea why it wouldn't work.. disc goes in drive, disc loads, controller handles basic remote control functions... though you have a PS3 and it's a good upscaling player (provided you are using HDMI connection to an HDCP compliant HDTV) while the 360's DVD playback is not quite as good so there's not much point worrying what isn't working with DVD playback on your 360

I'm not going to point out all your errors but this is WRONG

Just stop trying to bad mouth the 360 just because your experience with it is bad, and you keep trying to pass opinion as fact.

I said that earlier xD

Zan, I'm not trying to badmouth the 360, I like it. I'm not trying to pass opinion as fact either, I was trying to post information that I thought was valid. If it wasn't you guys could have the decency of telling me POLITELY. I've already told you guys this and no-one seems to do it.

I'm not taking the correcting of my misinformation personally. I'm taking the way you guys said it personally. There are kinder ways of correcting me. And I'd gladly say "Oh, yeah, you're right. My bad" but no. You have to take the time to quote everything I say, and use it against me, to call me an idiot and to tell me to stop posting. Just say "Xzero, some of your information is wrong again. *this and this* is actually *this and this*, etc." No need to go all out and bash my statements.

Somehow, I posted another lengthy post...

at no point did i say stop posting or call you an idiot...

and unless i missed something CM didn't call you an idiot or tell you to stop posting

you are taking it too personally... it's the internet... try to relax a bit

Do you buy consoles/games with your own money, or do people hand them to you?

lol, I'm not getting upset. This is the magic of text at work. I'm quite relaxed. I'm just trying to define myself (which I'm never good at).

Well, I don't think CM directly called me an idiot, but he did tell me that I should stop posting here because everything I say is useless and stupid (not the exact words) - which I consider calling me an idiot lol and the attitude that I'm seeing (which is probably magic of text) is rude IMO. We may just be having another misunderstanding (thank you magic of text). So CM, are we just misreading each others text?

I bought my own PS3 this time. It took me several months to save up the money. I was originally going to upgrade my PC, but I can't buy off the internet (several sites don't ship to Canada, others need Paypal or Credit Cards, I can't set up my banking with Paypal), so I couldn't upgrade to anything worth it. So I decided to get a PS3. The fact that my bro has a 360 also influenced the decision.

Alright, so I decided that to show you that I'm not biased towards the PS3, that I'll post good things about the 360 (which several people have mentioned I believe). I think this is my biggest issue, amirite?

So, first off:

- 360 is cheaper. Generally speaking, for basic use etc, it's much cheaper - you'll have more money for games.
- Game library is huge in comparison. Halo, Gears Of War, etc. are all great games too.
- It's smaller and fits better into spaces. It's flat, so you can lay things ontop of it as well. PS3 is round.
- It's online services are much more refined and generally easier to use. A lot bigger community.
- Most games are made first on Xbox, then ported to the other systems (aside from PC ports). This results in the 360 version actually looking better.
- It runs off easy hardware, unified shaders, and is much easier to program for, resulting in more games, with less glitches. This also enables the dev to focus more on gameplay mechanics instead of struggling to get the game running. The PS3 might have untapped power or something, but the 360 is holding it's own, and it's around a year older.
- Far Cry 2 seems to run smoother on it (lol)
- The controllers are much more comfortable, depending on how you game.
- If the console is titled, the controller lights stay oriented properly (w00t)
- Achievements are fantastic. It gives more replay value to games.
- Match making on Live is awesome.
- Your Xboxlive Profile details all of your gaming information, and it's easy to access.
- The controller, if run off batteries, lasts around 10 hours longer then that of the PS3.
- It's got a more arcade look to it, compared to PS3s tech look. The black 360 is just awesome.
- With Games For Live, you can play PC VS Xbox360! How awesome, right? Time to find out if Mouse and Keyboard really do beat controller (I know, they do lol)

That should sum up what I can think of. Any additional information would be good, and any corrections are welcome (so long as they're more polite :P)

Apologies if looking stupid on a forum makes it seem like people are insulting you.

"Some" hardly constitutes how little you were "correct" about with the 360.



Except that, besides blu-ray, the 360 has the same, if not more media "capability".



Except there isn't "directional" rumbles. This has already been pointed out.



Because $3/month is breaking the bank. You pay for the superior service you receive. PSN is not even close.



They ALL have better cooling. It DOES fix the most prevalent "red ring of death" error, which is a 3 light error. There are different light combinations to represent different types of errors (4 means there's no cable plugged in, if I remember correctly, for example).

And all the overheating issues have been null and void for over a year now, especially since they extended the warranty for the issue. It's also the ONLY major issue, beside that issue the PS3 is just as subject to problems.



You live in Canada, where everything costs more for no reason.



I'd say user error, because every 360 is capable of playing any DVD.



Too bad PS3's linux is practically useless with the 0 GPU acceleration.



A. Your PS3 might play PS2 games, but they don't now. All the new PS3s no longer have PS2 backwards compatibility.
B. All but ...3? of those games are playable on the 360.
C. I can play my PS1 games on my PSP, my PC, my (soon with homebrew!) Wii, or the PS2 almost everyone has.
D. I didn't say it can't play games, I said it can't play games except on itself and maybe the PSP. So it's less me being a fanboy, and more you failing to read.



Not even close. That's like saying the PSP is competing against cell phones because they both play games.

As for the PS3 competing? What the hell? How is a mobile music player the same as a massive home console system?



The 360's failure rate is attributed to 1 issue of which there is an extended warranty covering it. If you have troubles with overheating, you should have sent it back by now.

Also, the PS3 has scratched discs before, as has the fat PS2, as has nearly anything with a slot loader that was stood on it's side. If you shake the thing around while it's spinning, then yeah, you're going to be taking a risk.



Yes, they're removing all that functionality to lower production costs, aka, it's even less worth it.



I said that solely for your benefit. If you want to continue to make a fool out of yourself, go right ahead.



Mostly, actually, nearly the entire post.

A. You bought an external fan because you're
B. You are for not sending it back.
C. The PS3 lineup of games is incredibly small, and certainly not worth spending an additional $400 on when one already has a 360, as you suggested people do.



I'd rather pay $3/month for a massive, stable, fast service than the joke that is PSN.



Yes, let's just buy $1000 worth of console systems.

Or let's make the decision based on what is of most value for the buck. I find that to be the 360. The only downside is the lack of a bluray drive, and I never buy movies, ever, so the desire for one in my situation is nil. I'd rather rent movies on my 360 instead.



There's a difference between small inconsistencies, and being COMPELTELY WRONG. You were, for almost the entire post, WRONG.

Some of my post was opinions, which in this case can't really be wrong. I like the blu-ray player.

XBL costs 10$ here. It's not much, but for me (never getting money, etc.) it's too much.

I didn't buy the fan. The whole Xbox was a christmas gift, that came with the fan lol

As far as running PS1 games on everything, the only thing I can play them on is my PS2 or PS3. I don't run emulators lol

You can install regular Linux on the PS3, along with Windows 95 and 98. It's complicated, and pretty useless tbh, but the option is there.

You make it seem as if the PS3 is an utter failure, when it's gaining momentum all the time. Microsoft lost so much money with the 360 issues, and their extended warranty. They're still doing great either way. But really, both companies lost money, PS3 is overpriced and many 360s are defective. Go Wii!

My only question is - do you have a PS3? Did you ever even give it a chance? You seem almost as if you yourself are going based off opinion, saying PSN is a joke. PSN is actually pretty nice. Not as refined as XBL, as I've said, but it's still nice.

Oh yeah, and all of my friends have a PS3, not a 360. The real decision comes down to the games you're interested in, and the console that your friends have