I have the original gold cartridge with that song intact. It's much better than what they replaced it with.

Nevermind, I was wrong -- it was Muslim.

I just found out though that the moon and star were removed from the Mirror Shield in later versions of the game ... wtf

So what? It's a public landmark. Christianity doesn't really have "holy places" but I wouldn't expect anyone in the church of England to know that. It just comes down to them trying to claim copyrights over cathedral which is just lame.

...All they asked for was an apology.

Also someone seems rather uppity about the Church of England for some reason.

sony apologized but supposedly it wasn't enough... they still aren't happy... but then again they're british

i always thought the star and the moon in the shield looked arabic

They don't really take the whole thing seriously enough for them to have an honest motive for complaining.

um... what on earth are you talking about?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Sepulchre
Church of the Holy Sepulchre comes to mind...

Not according to the rest of Christianity, no.

lol

actually that would be a great setting for a game

concerning zelda:

Find a version of the spoken or sung shadahah (sp) and you'll realize its NOTHING like it. Complete BS, especially considering the fire temple was one of my favorites, second to forest.

Water temple was best.

That's Orthodoxy. Which is... different from both protestantism and Catholicism. From my understanding of orthodoxy, they do have commemorative objects and places, which they see as holy, but not in the same way a mosque might be. Various strains of Catholicism have done similar things, but it's again all traditional. The Church of England and other protestant groups don't believe in the sanctity of objects or places.

You have to be insane. That was the one that pissed me off the most.

fair enough. next time might want to specify instead of just saying "Christianity"

that actually really would...

Rainbow Six Vatican

Yeah, that was dumb on my part. "Christian" is a ridiculously broad term which leads to a lot of mis-communication.

and we all know where that leads... unwanted man lovin

Um, how are Mormons and others NOT Christian? They believe in the bible, and they believe in salvation through Christ.

I was going to go on a rant about our country's attitude towards Islam and Arabs, but the fires fueling the hate in America are far bigger than my little extinguisher can deal with. So whatever.

I don't believe there is such a thing.:colbert:

Yeah, but they're weird ones. >_>

I certainly did not post what I did just because were at war with them or whatever. If it was the jews I would have said the same thing. If it was italians I would have said the same thing. concerning religions, I would have called out hinduism or buddism or taoism, paganism, whatever. Point is why does ANY religious group get special treatment? If your going to do it for one you do it for all of them, and I think we can see how rediculous that that would be.

But I supose the fact that certain factions of the said religious group would kill you and your family just for laughs because your not one of them, is probably another good point of why we SHOULDNT be bending at their every whim. Its pretty much a known fact, when you think of the most violent religion still around today (excluding aztecs because they are a dead culture) the first religion that comes to mind is Islam. Some muslims make David Keresh look like a suicidal hippie.



Traditional christians do NOT consider mormans and JW's actual christians. Not by a long shot. If you went into any traditional christian or lutheran church and asked them that, they'd probably laugh at you.

That being said, the reason why is because traditional christians do not believe in one of the founding morman principals which is polygamy. They view it as sinful thus they think of they are deliberatly "living in sin" then they must not be "saved". The JW's are on their own planet when it comes to christianity. They believe things like jesus and satan are brothers, your standing in heaven depends on how much door to door service you do, etc etc. Of course traditional churches will have something to say about that. Furthermore what both churches have in common that contrasts the tradition belief in christianity is that they believe in salvation through works. The "if your a good person you'll get to heaven", type of view. This can't be said for all Morman sects since they are more traditional morman churches, but it can be said for the less conservative ones. Traditional christians generally believe that the way to "salvation" is through jesus christ only, as in you MUST believe in jesus christ as a deity in order to get to heaven, and the good works although important, do not matter in the sceme of saving your soul.

Yes because it's the extremists that are asking EA to remove the song.

EA? EA has nothing to do with LBP... if it was an EA game it would be on PS3, Xbox360, PC, Wii, DS, PSP, GBA, PS2, Cell Phones, etc... and they wouldn't care about offending muslims



here at massassi there is no such thing as unwanted man lovin

Actually, (and, for the record, practicing polygamists in Mormonism are few and far between, and the number of Mormons who believe in it is roughly equivalent) the separation exists because Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon is another revelation of God, whereas the Bible states that there will be no further additions to the book (Mormons, I believe, are of the belief that, when the Bible says "book", it is strictly referring to the book in which this text appears - Revelation, if I recall correctly).

You ask a Mormon about polygamy, and you're likely to offend them.

Also, the Bible never expressly forbids polygamy. It's merely that, whenever it appears in a story in the Bible, bad things seem to accompany it.

uh, no and no.

"Christian" is a word with more meanings than you can shake a stick at. This argument will lead to no good. It's not worth the effort.

First of all, Mormons do not practice polygamy. It's forbidden. Any polygamists you hear about are fundamentalist hill-folk.

Second of all, "traditional Christians" can pull the cross out of their ***. If you believe in salvation through Christ, and believe the bible, you're a Christian. Duh.



Whoah, you are completely off base. You haven't been watching that Islam DVD they've been sending to swing states have you? You, and the rest of the country, are trying to judge an entire religion based on the beliefs and actions of a crazed extremist sect. It's like judging all of Christianity based on the Westboro Baptists. Or the Crusades.

As for Sony taking the song out of the game, anyone who things that's a stupid move has something wrong with their brain. This is a rated E game, Sony doesn't want ANYTHING offensive. They would have done the exact same thing if Rufus Wainwright's Gay Messiah had gotten into the game.

NoEsc, I don't have any textual evidence to argue with you, I was speaking out of heresay and things I have seen/read, which I cannot attribute as creditable, so in light of that, I retract my previous statement that you quoted.

And vinny, I'm just saying there are certain factions of muslims who are particularly violent. That is all. I'm nt trying to turn this into a liberal "omfg racist" pissing contest.

Here are some pages I found explaining differences of these religious views. Some are of course written by the other party and prebiased, but I believe that more emphasizes the fact that they are not the same.

http://www.godandscience.org/cults/jwdiff.html
http://www.carm.org/lds/compare.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Christianity
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/Jehovah-s-Witnesses.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_and_practices_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses

Interesting reads.

in the end all religious debates end up being a bunch of idiots who can't agree on either which imaginary friend is the best or how one should play with their imaginary friend

*dives into bomb shelter*

Surprisingly, if I remember correctly, Oni is here in Southern California.

I've got JW family and friends - what they believe is pretty normal.

Jesus and satan being brothers? That's absurd! Jesus turning water into wine, however, that's perfectly acceptable!

Jesus turning water into wine? Big deal. I can turn water into Coors Lite but no one is praying to me.

That's because no one wants Coors Lite.

I'll take one....

Whether or not polygamy is practiced by the majority of Mormons in the United States today is irrelevant. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism claimed that God told him that it was quite alright for some Mormon men to practice polygamy. It would probably still be one of the defining characteristics of Mormonism if it wasn't for the United States government stepping in.

Besides...polygamy isn't all that great. You can't even screw more than one wife at once. What's the fun in that?

...and as far as offending the religious. It's the duty of every free-thinking individual to point out the ridiculous as often as possible.

"Let's not turn this into a religious debate!!1"