Psh, Deadman, remember, he probably smokes so much weed he can't even operate a computer lulz

give me a break, I'm at work and I stepped away to do some things

youre from rochester. Everyone there (for the most part) is dumb

Won't anyone think of the mudkips?

Actually I don't drink (mainly because I was an idiot when I did), so if alcohol was banned again I could care less.


As for the personal choice and what you do in your private life etc, thats all fine and dandy but when it impedes on my life then it pisses me off. The kids who I know in my area are grimey because they are so dependent on weed and constantly try to bum/steal money off people for it. When that doesn't work they steal your ****. They have no respect for people who don't smoke weed and dont care for it, and thus will bring it in your car or house. The car thing really makes me irate because god forbid I'm pulled over and end up in a world of crap because some jackass couldn't part with his precious "dub" for an hour. Or the idiot who comes into my work absolutely blazed and screws up peoples orders so they call back to me completely maddened asking why the hell he doesn't know how to do his job. And trust me, I feel the same about alcohol concerning these issues as well.

As for cigs, just don't smoke them around me or in my car and I could care less what carcinogens you choose to ingest.


As for the "rights" argument. Please, that is so overplayed its nauseating. Any time someone gets a verbal slap on the hand for their habit, legal or illegal, they whine rights and take it to extremes. Give me a better debate then that for gods sake. In response, its your right to think murderous thoughts, but as soon as your murderous thought impedes on another person, then its illegal and a problem. Its still a "right" though, so it goes both ways thus that way of thinking is simply asinine.

So wait, you are judging the widespread effects of prohibation/legalization of drugs based on what is going on in your personal life?

Decided the post wasn't worth reading after this.

Demographic of people I come into contact with in revelence to the subject would be more of a correct way of putting it.

You stated you would find nothing problomatic with the potential effects of banning of alcohol because you don't drink. That's a demographic of ONE person.

You said drugs, not alcohol. I said I was indifferent to what happens with alcohol, drugs however I hold an opinion on. The statement on alcohol and the rest of the post on weed are two different things.

*rubs chin*

I don't consider alcohol a drug, its not the same. Crucify me?

All I'm saying is that it's effects are more damaging to the person using it than to others generally. It's kind of an artsy drug. It has some applications, but it's much to dangerous for the general public to use.



What are your criteria for defining a drug? Most people define a drug as a substance that alters your conciseness. You can use some other definition, but that's just going to inhibit communication. You can't have an intelligent conversation if you don't have a common definition of terms. Arbitrarily redefining words to your own liking is a stupid tactic often used by people as a smoke screen to obfuscate arguments that they can't win.

That shows your ignorance right there. Can you overdose from marijuana? No. Can you die from smoking it? No. Does it destroy your liver? No. Is it physically addictive (unlike alcohol, where your body can actually go into withdrawl)? No. The only harmful PROVEN medical cons from it are the same from smoking a cigarette, also legal. And you can even avoid that with vaporizers. Everything else basically at this point about marijuana, is unproven. There is a risk involved with smoking it. I should be allowed to take that risk.

If you acted like an idiot when you drank / did whatever, that's your own damn fault. If you can't be responsible about it, that doesn't mean that everyone else should have to "suffer" for it. It doesn't matter if "you could care less". What matters is that people who can use it responsibly should be able to do so. If you are too stupid when you drink, then you are too stupid, and good for you for stopping.

If you are pulled over and someone else is smoking, that does not mean you will be caught. Believe me. I was pulled over just a month ago with three of my friends, we had all smoked. He just simply asked who owned the stuff, i said it was me, and my friends were let off free (like I wanted them to). Also, if you are so worried about getting pulled over, why the hell would you let someone with weed in your car in the first place. If your friends don't respect your decision to have a "no weed" rule in the vehicle, get rid of them, cuz they obviously don't respect you.

If your co-workers are coming in blazed as hell, why don't they get fired? Maybe bring it up with your boss or manager? Stop sitting and complaining, why don't you do something about it. If it's SO OBVIOUS that he is ****ing up his work and such, it should be obvious to the manager or the boss once notified to see this.

I'm pretty sure people here aren't arguing that you should be able to go into K-Mart and just buy some pre-rolled j's. But if you are walking around, and have a gram in your pocket, and get a 1,000 dollar fine for it, that's just wrong.

If alcohol were illegal too, I wouldn't have nearly the amount of anger towards the subject. But the fact that alcohol and cigarettes are legalized, and stuff like Salvia Divinorum (potentially the most harmful to other people especially if you were driving a car) is also legalized, but marijuana isn't, is plain wrong. Just completely wrong and hypocritical. It's not as if if it was legalized, that companies would stop testing and people would just be getting high all the time. You'd still get pulled over and drug tested by police if you are driving stupidly (just the same if you were drunk driving). Companies are still going to drug test you, because in their minds, between two identical people, they probably would take a person who doesn't smoke over one who does. The only thing that would change, is that I have the right to possess and smoke marijuana in private places, and places where it has been deemed acceptable by the owner. How does that harm you, at all?

mscbuck you've made good points and a good debate, especially since you didn't pull the "rights" card.


About the car thing just to clarify, they brought it in without telling me. As for alcohol, I just consider it in a different category from drug use regardless of its effects in comparasion to weed. Its not "ignorance", just a different viewpoint.

Ignorance would be a statement such as: "its all going to kill you and god says its wrong anyway so your going to hell", which -- before someone flaps their gums -- is NOT my standpoint, just an example statment.

First thing. No, being drunk at work is NOT illegal. Yes, you may fire someone for being drunk at work, but good luck getting them arrested. Yes, you can ask someone to go home if they smell like booze, even if they aren't drunk... but if you fire them, and they aren't an idiot, expect a lawsuit. Clue : They will win. No, you can NOT fire someone for having a hangover. Sorry.
Second thing. Anyone who gets a hangover is an idiot. They are painfully easy to avoid.

Unrelated thing : Pot is a pretty damn harmless drug. People high on pot don't go out and drive cars into pedestrians or rob stores or have fist fights. Mostly people high on pot do nothing at all!

*Ahem*





Most companies can fire you for any reason they like, as long as it's not discriminatory.

.....I'm sorry, I guess I just tend to believe that people should have the right to choose, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. I guess you find that notion disgusting in some sense. People have the right to choose, and if that choice results in a law being broken, then by god they will suffer the consequences. Just because some people will whine that they have their rights violated doesn't mean we should disregard that as a valid point in debate.

Furthermore, I am totally confused as to what you're implying with the "murderous" thoughts line of thought. If I never act on those desires/thoughts....just what is the problem? Seriously, you may not like it, but if nothing ever happens as a result what is there for you to get upset about? Especially, considering if you are never made aware of such thoughts. People may have negative opinions of me, and may wish bodily harm on me, but if I die without having suffered as a result of those thoughts I think I'll live....

Didn't see echoman's post. I am not arguing about the alcohol portion of it at all anyway. If you want to talk about smokescreening then lets focus back on the weed issue and not skirting it with alcohol knitpicking.



The point is making a choice that can/will directly affect someone else. That is why I am in opposition, as I stated with examples in my last post. Do what you do in private, but as soon as it effects me, don't expect my support for your "right".

Aha, I see now. Well in that you and I agree wholeheartedly.

I am too smart, will weed help with this disability?

But the thing is, Onimusha, the things that are happening with your friends are already happening. And it's not even legal.

And unless your friends are 21, weed will be harder for them to get if it's legalized...

Ok... this sounds GREAT!

Then why isn't it legal? Cig companies have too much at stake? I've seen some friends try to cross a road while being high on pot... they did a horrible job.

I've crossed roads smoking my Marlboro red all the time. Only once did I almost got hit by a car, cause the driver was going oh, 60 mph and decided to take a sudden left turn on the road he was driving on, which turned into the road I was crossing.

I've seen people high on pot unable to hold a conversation while being high.

You say people don't become addicted to pot? I have a friend who always want to go get a "churro" (thats what we call em here, thats also a name for a special type of pastry or some other fried food).

Every time I see him, he's like: "Jesse, I need to go buy a churro"

Of course, I never actually go with him to buy one, but I do see him smoking it. Getting high, and doing stupid things, some of it life threatening.

Or maybe your friends are incredibly irresponsible? Young people are often stupid about everything. People who have no direction or brains in life often gravitate towards habits of all kinds.

I have friends in college who smoke weed. They don't do anything moronic at all. Just a means to hang out and alleviate stress.

You still haven't defined what separates alcohol and weed smoking when it comes to drug use. Saying it's a "different viewpoint" doesn't explain anything.

And this concept does matter. If we take it in retrospect, weed is the hot topic of today that was alcohol back before the days of Prohibition.

Saying alcohol isn't a drug is like saying water isn't a chemical.

So? IT'S NOT.

Wisdom, retardedness. This thread has it all.

LULZ I DONT CARE WUT U SAY ALCOL INT NO DRUG YEA?

IT JUS AIN

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sf_gold is a pretty good troll,

the best so far actually

Coffee is a drug.

So do you ignore science most of the time, or do you pick and choose? When people say marijuana isn't an addictive property, they are not pulling it out of their ***. It's science, as the esteemed Mr. Burgundy would say. So far, all I have heard from the other side in this "debate" is alot of "People I know..." Sounds like the people you know are idiots, with or without the pot.

Gold, there's a difference between mental and physical addiction. Marijuana isn't physically addictive, like alcohol and other harddrugs, and of course tobacco.

Your friend has a mental habit for pot. Thing is, people can get mentally addicted to anything; gaming, gambling, internet, porn, chewing gum. You name it.

What the hell?
There is something very, very wrong with your friends if pot is 'making' them do that, seriously.

I don't think anyone can basically reply to you. You've already said enough. Your friends, are absolutely retarded. If you have such a big problem, whey are you friends with them? That's what I keep asking. But no, you try and blame it on something else. You know what the solution is? Get the **** away from them.

Seriously, the problem here is that people like you think you have the right to be offended. If one of your friends does something stupid while inebriated, instead of saying "wow friend, you are retarded, I'm not gonna talk to you until you shape up", you say "OMG BAN MARIJUANA FOR EVERYONE!" even though I'd say the majority of it's users are responsible about it and deserve to be able to use it.

I find it hilarious you say marijuana is "life-threatening". That bottle of jack daniels is a bit more life threatening, considering if you drink too much you can DIE from it.

Wasn't thing thread supposed to be about the liek?

No

To be fair, you can drink too much water and die from it.

Oh, I know, I was just pointing out the fact that he was saying how life-threatening marijuana is is somewhat wrong compared to other substances. At the very MOST, you would do the same stupid **** if you were drunk. But really that's at the very most.

I probably should've worded it differently :/

The top 10 of my class were all stoners.
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So was the bottom 10.