He says it's because he's slow.

C# isn't slow. It's faaaaast.

No, CM says he doesn't want to learn C# because he's slow.

The ASP.NET MVC framework is pretty much

Because by the time I've learned C# (which will only be the second proper language I've ever learned) there won't be nearly as much interest in it. And I wouldn't trust myself to write it correctly if I'm teaching myself as I go along.

I dunno. I used to be all "PHP OR DEATH!" then I did C# and I won't use anything else (for now).

ASP.NET MVC is

I'm sure that's true, but I prefer to finish the site this century.

But we just started this century!:tfti:

Couldn't you use Massassi.org for a testing ground?

I didn't read the whole thread, just the first post. But it sounds great.

Oh there will be testing, don't worry about that. I've already got a development environment with a full copy of the forums.

And thanks, Brian, I hoped you wouldn't mind it

On a more important issue, is it still going to remain green?

I haven't decided the final color scheme yet, that'll come later once I've got the site "working". But I assure it will be some flavor of green. (I've been playing with the idea of a white/green scheme as opposed to the black of the forums)

Could there be some level of integration with the Massassi Steam Group?

It's kind of a shame not a lot of people use it for it's intended purpose.

I don't know what sort of integration you're looking for? I mean, I could add in Steam ID areas into the profile or something, but I don't think it's popular enough to warrant investing anything significant time into it.

Well thats the thing, it'd be like investing zero time, because it already does all the things that massgames in it's like 4 iterations failed to do right.

I think the problem is that everyone is so disenfranchised with the whole deal no one uses it.

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Sounds good. If you need help with coding, I can contribute some time.

I'd strongly caution against a frenzy of coding and then big release. Don't go off and write a framework. Implement your plan a feature at a time. The framework that is right for the site will then develop out of the code.

Another point is don't have your plan set in stone. Things won't work out the way you expect - you need to change your plan based on what users like and dislike about what you put live. Yet another reason to implement a feature at a time - it allows you to do lots of mini-releases and incorporate user feedback earlier in the cycle.

This is all stuff we didn't do enough of with JKHub, and why we ended up with an interface that people don't like so much.

I can't stress enough how correct this advice is. Giraffe is basically telling you to use an incremental development process rather than a one-shot process. Incremental processes include buzzwords like agile development and extreme programming. The waterfall development model is a one-shot process that is a classic example of broken process model. You should virtually never try to plan everything at once and implement it all at once. It just doesn't work.

I never had any intention of making the entire site in fell swoop without some sort of user feedback.

The framework is there to make it easier for me to implement my features, nothing more. It's nothing major, which is why it's well on its way already.

As for the actual plan, I guess I can detail how I was going to do it:

First, there is the Part 1 stage. This will happen first. Inside part one you have, in order of necessity:

1. Framework 40%
2. Preliminary testing layout (0.5%... there's a folder structure!)
3. The file system, with the contributions and web uploads in place. This must be ready at site launch.
4. Project system, with contributions and web uploads in place. Again, must be ready at site launch.
5. Categorization/tagging. Must be implemented immediately so we don't have projects/files missing categories/tags.
6. Basic text search. Advanced/username searching will come later, it's not as critical.
7. Must connect with the vB user database. (this might happen inside the framework really)
8. AdminCP with the ability to moderate files, projects, and media. Must include a log for most user and moderator actions. This will be the bare minimum, far more advanced moderation tools will come later, like editing, moderator permissions, limit overrides, etc.
9. Full CSS layout with prelim artwork, add in whatever is needed for browsing the site and the files. <-- I will have people testing this and asking opinions here on the forums before it is opened to the public

That's all what I feel MUST be done before the site can go live. Things like timelines, user profiles, AJAX interactions, etc, that can come later (although the framework will keep logs so I can implement it later). While individual features can be tweaked (and probably will be), this plan is pretty basic so I don't expect much flak for it. I will have some select users testing the site before it goes live.

Anything beyond that will be developed after the site goes live based on demand and necessity.

Edit: for those wondering about the old files, the current site will be moved to another domain name until such time that "Historic Massassi" is created. Sadly it's low on the priority list, everything else will likely be done before it is.

Social Video Game Editing Site.

You have some solid ideas there. I think as far as expanding the user base goes, it may be tricky to find a way to let people know that we've seguayed from a Star Wars based site to a mod based site. I'm behind you though.

Couldn't you group the old JK files with JKHub? Like some sort of JKHub and file achieve connected together? It sounds it doesn't have to be like a whole separate site.

I should be able to make some updates to the Hub soonish - my old job had very restrictive policies on Internet usage so I didn't have access to the server, but hopefully my new job will be a bit more rational. As they're on the same server, you could create a user on the massassi DB that the Hub could use to access all the level and mod information.

Good news everyone! I talked Cool Matty into using CodeIngiter!

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I am confused.

In the new Massassi, are the moderators and admins still going to delete any threads/posts that they find contrary or questioning of "authority"?

Sure, we might even make a game out of it! We'll start off by banning the people who don't contribute anything other than passive aggressive remarks about the staff!

But you already do that...

if I were an admin I'd ban hombre and tell the government of his country he was posting kiddie porn on the forums.

hth

I told you that was a secret, you *******

don't pretend that I associate with you

My mother warned me about you. She told me you would do this. I should have listened to her. You just use people then throw them away. I hate you!

if its site is anything to go by, asp.net mvc is far from being

Not yet, but I can start! Wanna be the first?

You already started, ]-[ellequin was the first.

If I'm not gonna be first, I don't wanna be at all.

But...you ARE ]-[ellequin...

Fail

No need to point out the obvious all the time, Krokodial.

Get over yourself.