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Obama visits Turkey- Genocide, what Genocide?
2009-04-07, 8:39 PM #41
Just because you want Serj's schlong doesn't mean you are Armenian.
2009-04-07, 9:13 PM #42
I forgot that you need to be Armenian to care about the death of 1.5million innocent people. Just like you need to be jewish to feel sorrow and compassion towards people who died/survived during the holocaust. Moron.
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2009-04-07, 9:42 PM #43
You can develop a strong stance on a cause through a figure you admire (i.e. Serj), there's nothing wrong with that. But you're making it seem like one day you woke up and had this revelation about the Armenian genocide. I'm saying that I doubt you would even care about it had it not been for Serj.
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2009-04-07, 10:09 PM #44
I think the real question here is "who is ELITE WARRIOR?"
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2009-04-07, 10:16 PM #45
Serj is defiantly an inspirational figure to me, and I've become MORE intrigued in this stuff since discovering him, but I've always been a fairly active person when it comes to human rights and politics. I just don't appreciate when people say things like 'You can't care about Armenia because you aren't Armenian' or 'You wouldn't care about this if not for Serj' because a human life is a human life, and regardless of where the information comes from, we're still talking about lives.

So sorry if I come across snappy to those who don't deserve it, but I am usually in need of defending myself against the fire and flames.
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2009-04-08, 3:15 PM #46
Wouldn't it be better to stop Darfur
2009-04-08, 3:17 PM #47
more like DarDUURRRRRRR amirite?
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2009-04-08, 3:31 PM #48
Originally posted by SAJN:
Serj is defiantly an inspirational figure to me, and I've become MORE intrigued in this stuff since discovering him, but I've always been a fairly active person when it comes to human rights and politics. I just don't appreciate when people say things like 'You can't care about Armenia because you aren't Armenian' or 'You wouldn't care about this if not for Serj' because a human life is a human life, and regardless of where the information comes from, we're still talking about lives.

So sorry if I come across snappy to those who don't deserve it, but I am usually in need of defending myself against the fire and flames.


The only thing people are saying is that you wouldn't be specifically interested in this particular genocide if it weren't for you being a fan of System of a Down/Serj Tankian. Why is that so hard for you to admit when it's totally obvious? Look, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history here's a whole slew of genocides that aren't the holocaust or the Armenian one (although those are in that list too), any of which you could have picked to campaign about, but I've never seen you talk about them.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2009-04-08, 5:39 PM #49
A meat puppet can't admit to being a meat puppet because they would no longer be a meat puppet.
2009-04-08, 7:03 PM #50
Originally posted by Krokodile:
The only thing people are saying is that you wouldn't be specifically interested in this particular genocide if it weren't for you being a fan of System of a Down/Serj Tankian. Why is that so hard for you to admit when it's totally obvious? Look, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history here's a whole slew of genocides that aren't the holocaust or the Armenian one (although those are in that list too), any of which you could have picked to campaign about, but I've never seen you talk about them.


That's a fair statement, but the Genocide Documentary I am doing is actually a 5 part series about a bunch of unknown/ignored genocides. Armenia is simply the first one I am working on. It's also because April 24th is the recognition day for the Genocide, so now is when all the news about it is coming out.
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2009-04-08, 8:21 PM #51
Oh a documentry?
Do tell, I wish to know more.
2009-04-08, 8:35 PM #52
IDK.. I just think theres more important things happening. Like recognizing genocides that are currently taking place -- sorry.
2009-04-08, 8:40 PM #53
Until we recognize the past we'll never change the present and the future will be the same as before.

George W. Bush called what's happening in Darfur a 'genocide' and then he did nothing about it. We need to recognize the past, stop the present, and prevent the future.

As for the Documentary, it's a 5 part series about various genocides. They are going to be shown at a concert/documentary series aimed at raising over $10,000 for Amnesty International as well as the ANCA.
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2009-04-08, 8:54 PM #54
Originally posted by SAJN:
Until we recognize the past we'll never change the present and the future will be the same as before.

George W. Bush called what's happening in Darfur a 'genocide' and then he did nothing about it. We need to recognize the past, stop the present, and prevent the future.


The difference is that one is currently happening -- and one happened over 100 years ago. Don't be ****ing ridiculous.
2009-04-08, 9:14 PM #55
First of all, it was 90 years ago, second of all, what makes the lives of people now any more important than the lives of people 90 years ago?

We should be simultaneously preventing future genocides by stopping current genocides and recognizing ones of the past. There isn't a simple cut and run solution to any of this. It takes a lot of work, and unfortunately we aren't doing ANY of the steps we need to.
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2009-04-08, 9:41 PM #56
Originally posted by SAJN:
First of all, it was 90 years ago, second of all, what makes the lives of people now any more important than the lives of people 90 years ago?

Because people suffering through this genocide are STILL alive and STILL dying. I can't believe you actually just tried to make that point.
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We should be simultaneously preventing future genocides by stopping current genocides

This is a very true statement.
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...and recognizing ones of the past.

Yeah.. its a tragedy, but its not an urgent affair. Let's worry about the present.
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There isn't a simple cut and run solution to any of this. It takes a lot of work, and unfortunately we aren't doing ANY of the steps we need to.

Also a good point. I'm just saying we need to worry about whatsup right now. There are far more important things happening in this world at the moment than stirring up **** with Turkey.
2009-04-08, 9:52 PM #57
My god, did SAJN really just say that the already dead are just as important as the dieing?
2009-04-08, 9:54 PM #58
The long dead are just as important as the suffering he was trying to say. I disagree.. just as tragic yes. But nothing will change the fact that they have been 6 feet under for 90+ years.
2009-04-09, 4:32 PM #59
Turkey + genocide = turkocide
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2009-04-09, 5:45 PM #60
[http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060918/153138__turk_l.jpg]
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2009-04-09, 7:11 PM #61
I made fun of SAJN on facebook with his note about this crap, but he took it down.

It was funny because his note had a picture of Serj, which solidified that Jon is incapable of forming his own opinions!

We broke up over it. I hope you're happy!:suicide:
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2009-04-09, 7:18 PM #62
It isn't my fault that I'm working with Serj and the ANCA on a campaign :(

...Well it totally is, but...

Shut up, jew.
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2009-04-09, 8:26 PM #63
I saw the ANCA webpage.
I don't understand how recognizing the Armenian genocide would stop the cycle of genocides.
I also don't understand how the U.S. could stop the genocide in Sudan without getting into unnecessary entanglements.
And why is there only 6 listed genocides on the logo? I'm pretty sure there are and have been more genocides than that.
Genocide isn't something that you can simply stop by getting into support groups and talking about it.

2009-04-09, 8:34 PM #64
That's why we're going to D.C. the 22nd to the 25th and talking to Senators and Congressmen etc...to get things moving.
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2009-04-09, 8:56 PM #65
I bet they will care a lot!
2009-04-09, 10:35 PM #66
Sorry, late in coming into this, but just wanted to throw this out there:

Originally posted by Krokodile:
Turkey are a bunch of dicks anyway, the bastards won't even acknowledge Cyprus.


They don't acknowledge? Actually, they claim part of Cyprus. I'd call the Turkish Republic of Cyprus (I think that's what it's called) a pretty strong acknowledgment. :P
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2009-04-09, 10:40 PM #67
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I bet they will care a lot!


:colbert:
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2009-04-09, 11:27 PM #68
When our country is in an supposed economic crisis I doubt a Senator will really take any plea of yours to heart. Worth a try I guess if you really believe it will change things.
2009-04-10, 8:47 AM #69
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I bet they will care a lot!


they might... maybe they will even pass one of their o so useful nonbinding resolutions about the subject.
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2009-04-10, 9:17 AM #70
Originally posted by sugarless:
Sorry, late in coming into this, but just wanted to throw this out there:



They don't acknowledge? Actually, they claim part of Cyprus. I'd call the Turkish Republic of Cyprus (I think that's what it's called) a pretty strong acknowledgment. :P


I meant they don't acknowledge it as what it actually is today.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2009-04-10, 10:08 AM #71
A divided country?
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2009-04-10, 10:16 AM #72
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
they might... maybe they will even pass one of their o so useful nonbinding resolutions about the subject.


except they already passed a resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide, didn't they?
2009-04-10, 11:28 AM #73
It's usually attempted every year, but it usually barely makes it. Certain states recognize it, but not the country as a whole.
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2009-04-10, 11:33 AM #74
...And why does every state in America have to come out and go "Oh and by the way, we realise that something happened somewhere at some time in the past"?

I really don't understand what the point is.
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2009-04-10, 11:34 AM #75
Originally posted by SAJN:
It's usually attempted every year, but it usually barely makes it. Certain states recognize it, but not the country as a whole.


so what you're saying is that congress usually passes a resolution to recognize the Armenian genocide every year.

What are you trying to accomplish again?
2009-04-10, 11:46 AM #76
He was talking about Armenian states.
2009-04-10, 12:12 PM #77
I don't think Armenia has states.

And it's Turkey that aren't recognising whatever, not Armenia.
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2009-04-10, 12:14 PM #78
I meant Turkey
2009-04-10, 12:23 PM #79
Originally posted by Jon`C:
so what you're saying is that congress usually passes a resolution to recognize the Armenian genocide every year.

What are you trying to accomplish again?


Typo. It usually just DOESN'T make it.
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2009-04-10, 12:24 PM #80
[http://www.igourmet.com/images/topics/turkey1.jpg]

Do you see any states in this turkey?
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