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I have lost faith in U.S. Judicial System...
2004-08-26, 8:19 AM #1
The ban on partial birth abortions was ruled unconstitutional today. So now you can kill the baby as it is born with no worries! All because it didn't include a health exception.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130217,00.html <-- Full story

Yeah I'm disgusted. And guys please try to keep it civil. Otherwise I call for ANY admin to close this as soon as it goes downhill.

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2004-08-26, 8:21 AM #2
That's sad.

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2004-08-26, 8:23 AM #3
You don't want to carry a baby, get rid of it then. And there's nothing else. Yes.

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2004-08-26, 8:29 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The law is aimed at stopping a procedure, usually performed during the second trimester of pregnancy, in which a fetus is partly delivered, its skull punctured and its brain removed, often by suction.</font>

That is just sickening.

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ZGPC
2004-08-26, 8:34 AM #5
Notice that even though it's clearly a BABY at that time, the news article still refers to it as a "fetus"
2004-08-26, 8:49 AM #6
People can do whatever they want to their own bodies, and i have no problem with it. However, I'm against abortion at any stage b/c no one should have arbitrary control over another life, and no one can argue that a fetus/baby is not a separate life.

This is also why I think that having judges appointed for life is a terrible idea. Judges should have to be re-elected, b/c if they rule consistantly against the will of the people to further their own uber-liberal agendas, then what good are they? How could the people control them, then?

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2004-08-26, 8:50 AM #7
End them.

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2004-08-26, 9:30 AM #8
If there's a brain, that's just not right. A little rewrite to the bill and it should get through

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2004-08-26, 10:15 AM #9
If the mother is seriously considering an abortion it is quite clear that she doesn't want the child. If she doesn't want it, how is she ever going to love it or care for it? That child will be a burden, a punishment.
The mother will be unhappy, the child will be unhappy, the family will be unhappy.
Put it up for adoption? Right, like that works.

Simply aborting the pregnancy solves all problems of all concerned, it will allow the mother to continue living her life, and have a child when she is able, emotionally and financially, to have it and care for it.


Forcing a woman to keep the child even if she doesn't want it, that will only cause problems, that will not benefit anyone.


I would much rather have a Judge that basis decisions on human happiness, rather than blindly following absolutes.
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2004-08-26, 10:17 AM #10
giving birth is a very tramatic and can cause the death to the mother during complications, imo it's no ones right but the mother to decide if they will risk their life to bring a new one into the world.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">whenever any form of government becomes destructive to securing the rights of the governed, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it</font>


---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.
whenever any form of government becomes destructive to securing the rights of the governed, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it
---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.
2004-08-26, 10:19 AM #11
Mort-Hog's way of life: He makes me unhappy! Kill him now!

Sorry, but happiness simply doesn't come out more valuable than life.
2004-08-26, 10:23 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TwistedSoul:
giving birth is a very tramatic and can cause the death to the mother during complications, imo it's no ones right but the mother to decide if they will risk their life to bring a new one into the world.</font>

Yes but there are instances where the mothers life is not at stake, but they choose to have the abortion anyway.



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ZGPC
2004-08-26, 10:24 AM #13
There is homeless guy that is a burden to city people. His begging makes people unhappy. Let's kill him!

[edit: with post above the above post.]

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2004-08-26, 10:30 AM #14
That's not what I meant. ¬
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2004-08-26, 10:42 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Put it up for adoption? Right, like that works.</font>


I personally know dozens of people that it HAS worked for, and very very well. And there are thousands and thousands of cases of adoption where it works besides the ones I'm personally aquainted with.
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2004-08-26, 11:33 AM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">This is also why I think that having judges appointed for life is a terrible idea. Judges should have to be re-elected, b/c if they rule consistantly against the will of the people to further their own uber-liberal agendas, then what good are they? How could the people control them, then?
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Judges can be impeached(someone correct me if I'm wrong).

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Put it up for adoption? Right, like that works.
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Tell that to my two aunts on my dad's side. They were adopted. Or tell that to President Hinckley of the mormons. The mormon church is known to be very stingy with it's money, so they wouldn't waste it on creating a chruch sponsored adoption organization that didn't work.

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2004-08-26, 11:38 AM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
I personally know dozens of people that it HAS worked for, and very very well. And there are thousands and thousands of cases of adoption where it works besides the ones I'm personally aquainted with.</font>


Mort--I'm for abortion, at an EARLY stage of pregnancy, like first trimester, if not earlier, but even I know that after a while, you just have to let the baby live. It's just not right, IMO.

And you can argue why abortion's wrong till your face is blue--I'm not going to see it your way. I think abortion is right to a certain extent. But even I agree this is pretty pathetic.

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2004-08-26, 11:39 AM #18
You think adoption doesn't work? If you think it didn't work, I would not be here. My mom was adopted along with my uncle.

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2004-08-26, 11:49 AM #19
The naivity (not sure if that's the right term.. laziness, maybe) of some courts is just staggering. So if there was a clause in there that said something like "unless the woman's health is at risk", it would have been banned. How about they get off their asses and add the clause themselves? Idiots.

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2004-08-26, 11:54 AM #20
You guys are missing the point of the supreme court. It is not their job to decide what is right or wrong. Every single one of the justices could be against abortion, but that is not their job to decide. Their job is decide whether or not it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

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2004-08-26, 12:19 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
to further their own uber-liberal agendas
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Seven members of the current Supreme Court were appointed by Republican presidents, five of which were appointed during or after Ronald Reagon's administration when the Republican party became predominantly conservative. Liberal? Right.
2004-08-26, 12:26 PM #22
...You only NOW just lost faith in the judicial system..?
2004-08-26, 12:27 PM #23
Odd that people who are pro-abortion, and in this case I would say virtually murder, are usually against the death penalty and pro animal rights. To some of these impaired people a mouse or serial killer deserves better treatment than an unborn baby.

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2004-08-26, 12:40 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wookie06:
Odd that people who are pro-abortion, and in this case I would say virtually murder, are usually against the death penalty and pro animal rights. To some of these impaired people a mouse or serial killer deserves better treatment than an unborn baby.

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I'm for the death penalty, and pro-animal rights, to a certain extent. For instance, don't beat dogs, NO ANIMAL TESTING, stuff like that. No torturing animals. An unborn baby, though...there's just too many variables there that could only have one logical solution--abortion. IMO.

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2004-08-26, 12:49 PM #25
I'm adopted. One of my good friends is adopted. I know TONS of people who are adopted. You're probably thinking of children being put in foster homes, and that's totally different. With adoption, the baby is given directly to the new parents practically immediately. Also, for the first several years, CPS checks up on them.

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2004-08-26, 12:49 PM #26
Bottom line is, whether or not there is a baby inside a woman, it's HER body, and she can chose to do what she wants with it. Nobody has the right to tell her otherwise, what to do with her own body.
2004-08-26, 12:50 PM #27
[in response to yoshi]

But how can you call abortion logical? Every woman knows the risks they take prior to the moment they have sex.

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2004-08-26, 12:52 PM #28
Temp, I suppose you are going to say it's right to kill someone as long as he/she is in your home?
2004-08-26, 12:57 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
This is also why I think that having judges appointed for life is a terrible idea. Judges should have to be re-elected, b/c if they rule consistantly against the will of the people to further their own uber-liberal agendas, then what good are they? How could the people control them, then?

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You realize that was the point? Judges aren't supposed to be swayed by the will of the people, that was the plan.

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2004-08-26, 1:00 PM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
I'm for the death penalty, and pro-animal rights, to a certain extent. For instance, don't beat dogs, NO ANIMAL TESTING, stuff like that. No torturing animals. An unborn baby, though...there's just too many variables there that could only have one logical solution--abortion. IMO.</font>


I'm also pro-animal rights to an extent. I believe that animals should be treated with respect. I wouldn't go so far as to say no animal testing but I would say that I have seen testing that appears to be excessively brutal. But there are times when abortion simply can't be called logical. When a baby that is viable outside the womb is allowed to be born enough that its skull can be crushed, that simply isn't logical. The health of the woman isn't even an issue because the baby is killed during the (induced) birthing process. I understand that there is much to debate with regards to abortion however most people should be able to agree on the issue of partial birth abortion.


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2004-08-26, 1:02 PM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evil_Tofu:
You realize that was the point? Judges aren't supposed to be swayed by the will of the people, that was the plan.</font>


But there needs to be a way to hold activist judges accountable. I don't know what the answer is.

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2004-08-26, 1:05 PM #32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Morfildor:
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But how can you call abortion logical? Every woman knows the risks they take prior to the moment they have sex.

[This message has been edited by Morfildor (edited August 26, 2004).]</font>


Rape.

And also, I agree with you Wookiee. I don't like animal testing one bit though.

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2004-08-26, 1:06 PM #33
I agree with whoever said they agree with early abortion. That I can cope with (call me whatever you want), but the late on stuff with the brain puncturing, that's just not right - unless the mother's life is at obvious risk, and the situation couldn't be helped.

Icky icky icky.

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2004-08-26, 1:11 PM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">But how can you call abortion logical? Every woman knows the risks they take prior to the moment they have sex.</font>


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Temp, I suppose you are going to say it's right to kill someone as long as he/she is in your home? </font>


I'm going to respond to these with the same answer..

If you've ever had sex, you would know, that ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. Condoms can break, Condoms can not be effective, etc. You can use all the protection in the world, and still get pregnant. It can happen.

And yes, I didn't want to even mention it, but sommeone said it....rape.
2004-08-26, 1:54 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If you've ever had sex, you would know, that ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. Condoms can break, Condoms can not be effective, etc. You can use all the protection in the world, and still get pregnant. It can happen.

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Which everyone knows. Which means they know the risks they are taking even if they use those.
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2004-08-26, 1:57 PM #36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wookie06:
But there needs to be a way to hold activist judges accountable. I don't know what the answer is.

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Why?

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2004-08-26, 2:01 PM #37
My stance on abortion is I think it should be legal when either:

A) Rape(statutory or forced) or incest is involved
B) There is a devastating deformity found(missing important organs, etc. Miscarriages usually take care of this though).
C) The mother's life is at risk
D) The pregnancy is still in the first trimester

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2004-08-26, 2:02 PM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Temperamental:
Bottom line is, whether or not there is a baby inside a woman, it's HER body, and she can chose to do what she wants with it. Nobody has the right to tell her otherwise, what to do with her own body. </font>


Wrong. Once a woman is sharing a body with another life form, IE: a baby, it is no longer only her body, it is being shared with another. To control another life form it as if it were merely an extension of the body (like an arm) is not only wrong but it's just plain selfish and irresponsible.

Edit: Minor grammatical error.


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2004-08-26, 2:05 PM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Temperamental:
I'm going to respond to these with the same answer..

If you've ever had sex, you would know, that ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. Condoms can break, Condoms can not be effective, etc. You can use all the protection in the world, and still get pregnant. It can happen.

And yes, I didn't want to even mention it, but sommeone said it....rape. </font>


Tough ****, they knew the consequences before they had sex, even if they attempted contraception. If this is your argument, then this must also be true: I shot the cyclist in the head, but he was wearing a helmet! It was an accident, the helmet broke! It's not my fault that he died!

Don't think so. People need to suck it up and start taking responsibility for their actions.
2004-08-26, 2:17 PM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Temperamental:
...You only NOW just lost faith in the judicial system..?</font>


No kidding. I've lost faith in pretty much all branches of government. America's 'version' of republic-democracy doesn't work so well.

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