To have a honest veiw, you have to atleast be emotionally involved.. Gone on a few dates and kissed.. Open mouth.. I am looking for opions from those who have had a love life..

So my veiw on my relationships, I can only get past a certin point.. Emotions build up, and I get my strings pulled.. Alot of physical or emotional things happen.. In the end it all finishs because of miscommunication.. So to me I pick ones that end because I am being used..

So in reality, I am who I am but people tend to take advantage of that.. Sucks but its life.. But the topic at hand.. I think trust means it all.. People are hard to trust because they are unpredictable and you expect to be hurt because it happens.. So yeah thats my thoughts.. Give me yours, with a senseable veiw.. Otherwise I will critisize it and show the world you dont know what ya mean!

And I wont discard a handfull number of people who are female.. Not all are evil.. Just most..

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[This message has been edited by Michael MacFarlane (edited August 27, 2004).]

Agreed, lately everyone I've seen is a prostitute in the wings. Does nobody believe in honesty or, maybe, just maybe, not being a ****ing whore?

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Maybe a oppurtunaty to screw you over.. But yeah thats so true.. And well honesty is all it means.. I mean she didnt trust me.. So without trust there is no reason to love.. I mean if you cant say how you honestly feel, then whats the point? The way I find it to be known is.. If the other person says its complicated.. It shouldnt be because how you feel should be instant.. Should be easy for you to say how you feel as opposed to how you dont feel..

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Not everyone is out there to screw you over. If you find yourself repeatidly getting screwed over... try going out for different types of people.

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My views? In order to have a good relationship, there has to be three aspects that must be fulfilled: Physical, Mental, and Emotional(I'm not going to elaborate on those more). If you lack any one of those, it's likely to go down the crapper or be an unhappy relationship.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

My advice: be prepared for anything and know how to cover your a**.

However, for maintaining a relationship, be a challenge. Always keep her guessing about where she stands ywith you. This will drive her wild and will keep her coming back for more, I'll guarantee that.

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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 26, 2004).]

I have to disagree with Pagewizard. When going steady with someone, it's alright to have suprises, but being chaotic all the time exhausts people's patience. And it isn't counter-productive once you are actually a few months into the relationship to open up your feelings about her like it would be when first getting to know her.

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

Suppose there is a girl you like and suppose you succeed in getting her to spend time with you for the first time. Is it too soon to ask her to marry you? Hypothetically speaking of course. However, I do function this way...at least in my brain.

not chaotic. mysterious. there is a difference.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

-_- Come on, you know the answer to that one. Don't make me smack you.

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

...I'm gonna assume you're refering to very short-term relationships, because doing that to someone in any kind of committed relationship seems more than a little bit cruel to me.

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If its the first time, don't even think about marriage.

If you've been exclusive for at least a year minimum, and both of you are leaning in that direction, then go for it.

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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

I'm not even at the point where she has ever talked to me, but I'm also the type of person who is this way.

I find that the exact opposite generally holds true.

Edit: Yeah. As Jeff said, for anything that could maybe be considered committed.

[This message has been edited by fourwood (edited August 26, 2004).]

you would think so, but no. Women love secrets and challenges, with all their ups and downs. It's practically genetically hardwired into nearly every woman. I have yet to find an exception, and i've looked hard for it.

Also, who's to say what is cruel?



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

Err.. Funny.. I mean seriously.. Its not always the brightest to keep the person your with as to where you stand in the relationship.. Its either with her or not with her.. How many relationships have you been in and how old are you? I am just wondering thats all..



Eh? I mean.. I can understand what ya mean, without the ying and yang.. Its over.. But isnt mental apart of emotional because it gives off human characteristics of ones own personal mental trait? Physical was there.. And so was emotional.. I dont think she was there at all mentally..


Happydud.. Well I have picked them a year younger roughly.. well some.. A few have been the same age or around that.. And 2-3 have been older.. The older ones seem to be more mentally stable.. So being screwed.. Is well hmmm :P.. Then there is the being screwed mentally.. I know it sounds shallow but the good relationships I was in.. Least I got something out of em.. heh.. I am looking for different people trust me..

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what evidence do you have to support such a notion? If you're going off of what women say, then oyu're wasting your time. What women say they want and what they end up going after are very different things.
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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 26, 2004).]

...ok maybe australian women are different because I haven't seen that when it comes to a committed relationship....and indeed showing some form of commitment to the other person is generally a defining characteristic of a serious relationship, otherwise it doesn't have much of a foundation and, hence, little chance of a future IMO.

I've always been someone who loathes games though, so I guess we just don't look at things the same way. I don't enjoy toying with the emotions of someone I care for and anyone who'd seek to do likewise to me can exit stage right.



Well I do in this case obviously, since I finished the sentence with 'to me', Generally how opinion works.

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Page, ive always wanted to pick up a hooker! Thanks for the advice. How much do you usually charge? You know keep them coming back thing...

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Savur: The difference between Emotional and Mental is Mental being able to converse with each other, having roughly similar interests, etc. Emotional is being able to understand how the other person reacts to certain things, knowing how to give-and-take, how to show affection without physicality, etc.

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

Multiple 1 year+ relationships. Jeff sums it up better than I could:

When getting to know a woman: Keep her guessing and wondering about how she stands with you(not by being an emotional rollercoaster and making things chaotic).

When you are in a relationship: Suprises are good that confirm your affection, not keeping her guessing or wondering how she stands with you. This is why it's called going steady and having a stable relationship.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

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Do not feed the oyster.

Maybe its different over in aussie-land, i've never been there, so I don't know. here, a lot of our women are spoiled rotten, so things like this are necessary or they WILL take you for granted.



Hell, i don't like doing it either, but male-female relations have been really screwed up this past century. Look around you (I'm not picking on anyone here specifically) but men are becoming effeminate. (I personally blame the media for this more than I blame feminism, although that has its own dirty little role. I won't go into it here) It's sickening. Our terrorist enemies are training their boys to be killers, but we are training our boys to be girls. Women have learned to mess with these androgenous lumps to get them to buy them drinks, give them attention, etc. Women started wth the games. What I use are anti-bulls*** countermeasures. These days, they're a necessary evil.




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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

I have a nice one for $20, but I'm sure as hell not taking checks or credit cards from you...



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

I actually agree completely with that post.




I also completely agree with that post as well.



This one, however, I'm not sure I completely agree with...

The second part, about the surprises, I definitely agree with.

I can't say I fully understand the first part... I just don't get how you would keep her guessing... I'm going to guess that you mean simply treating her as you would any regular friend, not going out of way to do things for her, not always complimenting her and other things like that?

In which case I kind of agree, but I think if the topic of how each person feels towards the other came up in a conversation, it should be discussed, and the feelings should be admitted.

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stable relationships grow over time, and are not something that you jump into right away. I forgot to mention that sooner. As the relationship grows, you gradually downplay the challenge element, but always be prepared to shake things up a little bit at any time, but in a playful way. The point of this is to give her a little thrill and keep her wondering, instead of being predictable and wearing oyur feelings on your sleeve.


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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 26, 2004).]

to be a challenge means that you control the level of attention. Give her some of your time, but take on other activities that directly infringe on this time, and work your schedule around those things first. This may sound needless and manipulative, but she will be wanting and be pursuing the same attention that you lavish on your other interests. Remember, your time is worth pure gold.





Uh... no. Confessing your feelings for her is poison. i'll say it again: poison. don't ever do that, it will remove all mystery from you and her interest will plummet. I've made this mistake enough times in the past to learn this the hard way.

Granted, you can say 'I love you" but wait till she does it first, and don't do it too often or it will become meaningless.


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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 26, 2004).]

Double post. See my other post below.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

Now that I agree with, Page, I think that's a first with you.



I thank you for clearing that up a bit for me, though I can understand your logic in it, and I won't say that that isn't true, because it might be where you live, but around here, I haven't seen or heard of anyone that's used that tactic... but then I don't know many people, I never hear about other people, and I've never really been around any of my friends during that 'stage' in the relationship, so that could explain that.




Granted I've only been in one relationship (well I guess you could say two, but with the same person, we went out before, I blew something way out of proportion, and made the stupid decision to break up, and now we're back together, engaged, and happy as ever... great relationship, never an argument... but anyway, that's besides the point) But I found the honesty path worked quite nicely... but again, one relationship, single case, doesn't really prove, or say much.



And also, thank you for helping clear that up for me. And I agree, we do need to get back on topic again.

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[This message has been edited by FCTuner04 (edited August 26, 2004).]

Bingo. You just met this girl. Why would you treat her as anything she isn't? About the whole conversation thing: What? Talk about feelings before you've showed any? I'm confused because actions speak louder than words.

Anyway, I was doing a comparison. This thread is about relationships, not meeting women. Back on topic.

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

Since when was having your own life a tactic, needless, or manipulative?

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 26, 2004).]

Taking on extra activites just for the sole purpose of taking up time that could be spent with her (which I assume is what you mean page?...) could easily be seen as manipulative... Needless... eh, got a point there, if that's what it takes, it's not really needless...

And I would consider that to be a tactic.

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[This message has been edited by FCTuner04 (edited August 27, 2004).]

you have to ask yourself: "Is she really worth the extra time? I have plans of my own, after all. I'm not immortal, i have a limited ammount of time and years that i can pursue my interests w/o being tied down, so b/c of this, a balance must be reached. Are my potential gains better if I spend more time with her or if i do _______ that's imprtant to me?"


Make her earn attention. It's only fair, she's not going to let you f*** her the first time you meet her, so why should you pile on attention until she's earned it?


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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 27, 2004).]

If your life is so empty that you have to actively search for things to do besides be with her, then you have bigger problems than girl problems.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 27, 2004).]

I don't have to activly search, I'm naturally busy. When i get free time, I use most of it on stuff I want to do, the women get whatevers left.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

Well, if you're like pagewizard, it's probably in your best interest if she doesn't know what kind of person you really are.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
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It's hard to define what people our age are after in a relationship. Most people here are far too young to be thinking about a permanent commitment, but when you're in the middle of a relationship and crazy about someone, it's hard to realise how much you're going to change in just a few years and so it's easy to believe that every relationship will last forever (it's always love when you're 15, as my mum says).

This has been my main problem with relationships I think, because I'm only just 20, all the times that I've been with someone have been times when we're both still working out who we are and what we want, and often priorities change or your feelings do, without you really noticing.

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People are age to find what they seek? If your gonna be with someone around ages.. 15-19.. Chances are it could mean they will date ya and thats that.. Things happen and no going steady.. Its from what I gained to experience in my past, but you see I am pre-occupied with the army.. So I dont have to worry as much into relationships..

I mean, I would be agreeing with Kieran Horn
he seems to be giving most of the sensable prospects of what to expect.. Paige on the other hand.. Its healthy to be agreesive and ignorant some of the time in a relationship.. But if you are with someone and show no intrest what so ever.. having them guess where they stand.. Chances are you will stand alone.. So I would agree most on fours and Kieran Horns advice..

Meh just my opinion..

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