**** relationships, I've gone into a pattern of flings, stands, and playing people .. as horrible as it sounds, when you're this young, there's no point in devoting or committing unless you want yourself to get hurt.

Just go enjoy it.

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Occassional dropper-inner. Following the rhythm, drunk by the music.

From what I can tell, Page and Kieran have been saying almost exactly the same thing. But as Kieran has said in the past, Page is saying it more as a buddy you go pubbing with whilst Kieran is saying things in a way which more people can tolerate.

Unless said devotion or commitment is enjoying it.

I've now come to the conclusion that Page has no communication or writing skills as well. If I didn't know what he meant most the time, I'd be looking at his words and thinking "What the hell are you talking about? Are you high?"

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

Yeah I agree, trust is essential and is normally one of the biggest factors in relationships ending or staying together. Sometimes it's best to try to get to know a person well before you can make that move into a relationship.

I have this friend mike, I've known him many many years, before we discussed having feelings for one another. In the end I felt I liked him more as a friend, whereas he felt he was in love with me. I also loved him, but in the sense that, throughout my life he has always been there for me, and even if our relationship turned into friendship, that trust and bond I have with him is essential and I have always appreciated it.

I think in relationships, dating, you have to take that risk. Truely loving and caring for someone means you put your faith and trust into them unconditionally. Now does that mean with all your friends you should have your guard down? No. Not everyone is trustworthy, that's just how life goes. And yes, it sucks getting hurt in relationships, but that is just the risk that is being taken when you enter into one. You trust that person, with your feelings, with whatever you all do, or talk about.

My only advice is try and get to know people better before entering into relationships. See how they are with friends. Try your best to see them as a person first and foremost without blinders, before you go and invest feelings. I know that's hard to not invest feelings at times, but it's the safest bet. And i'm sorry that you've been hurt in the past. I think most people have been through that sort of situation and it hurts. Anyways, hope things come out on the good end for you. Good people normally get the best in the end. Anyways hope this helped a little, good luck


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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

...wow....wow....not pile on attention till she's put out for you? You really think this nonsense belongs in a thread about RELATIONSHIPS?

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"The moral of the story? No means no, especially when it comes to the English language. It's not into the kinky stuff you want it to do, and therefore you should not force it." - Darko

Hell no.. See Horn's logic is more sound and you can come to understand more then paige's.. Meh.. Just shows one's intellegence at a level of experience!




Best advice yet, Dont go for a guys point of veiw.. ask a females! Or get a females response.. And there ya have it folks.. And thanks alot

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-- [url="mailto:Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com"]mailto:Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com[/url]Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com</A>--The Bounty Hunters Arc Forum--Firehound Inc.--

I would agree with that logic, but not in the context of a relationship. When it comes to flirting, the whole beforehand, playing hard to get, etc. Yes that's perfectly fine. Maybe to a degree that's fine if you're dating casually. But if he's meaning actual relationships, it's about trust and talking. If you are talking about long term girls dont like to get jerked around. But if you are talking about flings and flirting and the whole "hard to get" beforehand stuff, then yes Pagewizard is right.

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

your welcome silent savur, anytime



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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

This thread confirms what I've long suspected: Page does a lot of the right things for the wrong reasons.

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"Why aren't I'm using at these pictures?" - Cloud, 4/14/02

Which it isn't.

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Occassional dropper-inner. Following the rhythm, drunk by the music.

Amen to that!



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-- [url="mailto:Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com"]mailto:Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com[/url]Jatso_jk1@hotmail.com</A>--The Bounty Hunters Arc Forum--Firehound Inc.--

Pagewizard makes me giggle.

[This message has been edited by fourwood (edited August 27, 2004).]

Somehow this seemed appropriate at this junture.

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"The moral of the story? No means no, especially when it comes to the English language. It's not into the kinky stuff you want it to do, and therefore you should not force it." - Darko

no, chicks will lead you wrong most of the time. chances are, women have told you to be "a nice guy". We all know how well being a stereotypical insecure nice guy works, right?

Granted, there are chicks that will level with you, but they are harder to find than a good brand of American beer that doesn't taste like piss.


and, for the last time, being a challenge <> being hard to get. I explained this already--just have a life of your own and don't spill your feelings to her or be clingy and you should do fine.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

heh, I'm like a dark-side version of Kieran.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

God DAMN that pisses me off. Why is it people instantly assume that one woman has a more valid opinion than a guy who has experienced all these things multiple times with different women? Just because she has a vagina it suddenly makes her more of an expert? Twisted and I said the exact same god damn thing!

I'm not pissed about this specific situation. I couldn't care less. I'm pissed about that kind of thinking in general. Women can be just as stupid about relationships as guys can.

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 27, 2004).]

You're the frat boy version.

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 27, 2004).]

Really? you (and other people) said at first that I was the brutally-honest pub buddy version. Which is it?



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

In conclusion:

Never lose your ability to suprise the person you're going out with. In a good way of course.

This is why you shouldn't play all your cards right at the start, not because someone might realise that you're somehow a bad person, but because straight after all your wonderful gestures there'll be a noticable period when you're completely at a loss for a new idea. If you take things slowly and gradually reveal deeper aspects of your personality over the period of a few months, you may just end up finding you have even more to offer as you go along.

For an Olympic Analogy:
If you're in the long-distance race, you don't start with a sprint.

The only difference is one is drunk and one is trying to borrow $20 from you to go get drunk.

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

If you're saying that no one gives a f*** about my advice, I don't really care. Take it or leave it, it makes no difference to me. I give advice freely, and then I let people make up their own minds about how they want to use it. I'm doing it for the lurker or for the member that reads the thread but doesn't say anything. Even if one person benefits, it justifies pissing off most of the board.

Granted, people cram a lot of s*** down my throat here sometimes, but it doesn't bother me b/c it does absolutely nothing to adversely affect me in real life.

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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

as someone who is in a long term relationship, i can vouch for the fact that being kept on my toes about how things are going, or how my partner feels about me would not make me feel well. people who wnat long term relationships want comfort and security (that warm fuzzy feeling of love). quite frankly it would piss me off if someone tried keeping me on my toes. maybe about other things, like romantic ideas and stuff but not emotionally. i want full honestly in that.

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[teletubbie voice] BIG HUG!!!! [/teletubbie voice]

Yes girls like suprises and to be kept on their toes. In long term relationships of course as well as in flings or short term relationships. Girls dont like to be lied too or jerked around though.

So i'm just making sure that you all understand that difference. Detritic seems to understand that. When a woman says she likes mystery it's not "where have you been" and you say "nowhere it's not important." as if you are hiding something. Girls like mystery as in the gestures and revealing more of yourself like he said.

Anyways, just read everyone's advice and take from it what you feel is best for you. Nothing says you have to listen to any of our advices word for word, be we male or female. Since apparently some people are getting all touchy touchy on the subject. Just read everyone's points of view and take from all of that what you feel are the best points made, keep those in mind and try and apply them. I hope things work out

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

I think it's more of a "square and rectangle" ordeal. A frat buddy is a bar/pub buddy, but a bar/pub buddy is not a frat buddy.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

EXACTLY! lol thank you wolvie You clarified the point better. romantic ideas is one thing, but once in a commited relationship you dont want to have to wonder whether or not the guy really cares about you, just because he wants to keep the "mystery" in the relationship. In that instance, that's hindering more then helping.

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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

again, you people misunderstand me. It's not about lying or being jerked around, it's about being your own man and having a life of your own, and not being dependent on the other person for happiness. I'm out to have a good time, the chick is just along for the ride, in other words.

It beats hell out of being boring and predictable.


Are we clear on this now, or do i have to explain it yet again?


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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

From that sentence alone, it is very clear that the whole concept of a longterm relationship is completely lost on you.

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A little less conversation, a little more action
"This world is made of love and peace!"
"Let's live today, let's live tomorrow, and let's live the day after that, even if it means living in eternal pain."
- Vash the Stampede

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

how do you figure?



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

...I work the graveyard shift at my city's mental illness crisis response hotline, and I can still safely say that you are the most bat-sh*t insane human being I've ever encountered.


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I live in the weak, and the wounded.

Talk about the blind leading the blind....



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

lol



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Lets finish it then, let us be rid of it...I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you...Come on!

"Life Is What Happens While You're Busy Making Other Plans..."

"This new diet's liquid and dulling to the senses and it's crude, but it will do..." Dashboard Confessional

Live and Let Live

...even worse than Sheldon, Darko?

Oh jebus....

EVERYONE TO THE EVACUATION PODS. NOW.

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"The moral of the story? No means no, especially when it comes to the English language. It's not into the kinky stuff you want it to do, and therefore you should not force it." - Darko

Actually, I take back the drunk frat boy and all that stuff. I think I've finally figured Page out. He's likes putting sensationalism into his advice. Makes it sound more exciting than my practical way of giving advice.

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 28, 2004).]

what do you mean?



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

You exaggerate your wording to make a point.

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The easiest way to kill a soldier is to make his commanding officer a politician.

[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited August 28, 2004).]

You prefer to work with situations. I prefer to look at the root of the problem and attack it from there. When a building has a cracked foundation, you tear it down and start over. You just don't paint over it and solve that problem while leaving the rest of the building unstable.

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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.




[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited August 28, 2004).]

The thing is, I like who I am, I just don't have a lot of success with women. I'm not going to change who I am just to have more success, instead i'm going to just keep building up my confidence. I am good enough, I just need to learn to let other people realise this.