Jin
Wanted the controller SO BAD
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There's a distinction to be made between suicidal people (the ones that commit suicide) and 'suicidal' people (the ones that make the empty threats for attention). They're two different situations. Steven seems to think only the latter exist. Probably because he's a douchebag.
Being suicidal is a symptom of much greater issues. It is not, of itself, an illness.
Sure, sometimes it's a bitter act of defiance like murder-suicides for whatever reasons or a spiteful act of ultimate self-indulgence but it's only a result that can be reached via many different problems, and most often it is an act of utter despair to ease the pressures of others. They do it because they believe they are the problem. Sounds pretty selfless to me, even if its a conclusion born from delusion.
Which is exactly what suicidal thoughts are. In the way that anorexics are deluded into thinking they are fat, suicidals are deluded into thinking they have to end their lives. Whatever reason for doing it does not define the illness.
People seem to think being suicidal is an illness or disorder. It isn't. It's a symptom - a warning sign. And an extreme one at that. Problem is that in these circumstances the person suffering these issues tend to keep it to themselves, not wanting to burden others with their troubles. That's why parents and friends are often so shocked at what happened - it's not just the typical praise and bull**** you usually hear at funerals, it's just that they never knew what their child/friend was going through.
There simply isn't enough information in the topic article to discern the deeper reasons behind why the girl killed herself. Common sense would tell us that the school-yard scandal was a trigger but then suicide and suicidal behaviour and thoughts are not rational. One thing you all need to be aware of is that this isn't any kind of manic delusion - they aren't claiming to be Jesus or being otherwise erratic. You probably wouldn't know they wanted to kill themselves unless they outright told you so. And to finally kill oneself still requires overcoming the basic instinct of avoiding death. That doesn't happen overnight. Going from being depressed to killing themselves is a long time coming and is a good indicator that she was having emotional problems since before she sent a nude picture of herself to her boyfriend.
Saying she's an idiot is pretty ****ing arrogant and illustrates a profoundly sickening deficiency in basic human empathy. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Calling someone a whore for being intimate with their partner must be the result of some deeper social issue I don't understand. Hey Oni, your mom has been intimate with your dad. What a whore. Saying something like "She didn't have to kill herself, that was her bad." illustrates a backwards understanding of suicide. It wasn't a clear-thought, 'boo-hoo life is hard' decision. It was a ****ing tragedy fueled by douchebags that act exactly like Oni and blaming her for it is equally tragic.
So what's the resolve here? Oni was legitimate in his initial postings and is, in fact, so terrified of the concept that being a douchebag can have repercussions that he lashes out at the girl.
Or, Oni was legitimate in his backpedaling, "lol troll'd" comment and is, in fact, a totally hardcore dude because he finds it funny that people kill themselves and equally funny that people find that point of view unacceptable.
Yet another worthwhile thread.
