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Stop calling, stop calling
2010-04-25, 10:16 PM #41
Originally posted by Antony:
Johnny Depp will never have breasts as nice as her's.


Neither will she. :eng101:

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2010-04-25, 10:36 PM #42
stop callin'
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2010-04-25, 10:38 PM #43
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Also, apparently because other artists used drugs, that I am not allowed to use that as an example of her being more like Lohan?

My point is simply that using drugs and producing good art don't really have any correlation. That saying she's like Lindsay Lohan for using drugs is entirely irrelevant.

Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Yeah, uh, no. Nice try.

Bull****! You're extending your preconceptions about drugs and dress and dance music!

Here's a fun snippet from the chat:

[23:55] <&CoolMatty> if she JUST dressed weird? that'd be fine. if she JUST did drugs... eh that'd be normal. If she JUST pissed off other artists, that'd be normal.
[23:56] <&CoolMatty> if she JUST was unoriginal, that'd be ok

Yeah, adding a bunch of "OK" things makes them bad!

You haven't actually given any good reasons for anything. Your entire argument is "Hmph, well, I have MY opinion!"

I don't care who you like and don't like, I just think if you're going to have an opinion you should have some good reasoning behind it. An opinion is not valid just because it is an opinion.
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2010-04-25, 10:55 PM #44
You should talk to CM about why he refuses to consider watching Avatar. He's sure it sucks without having seen it.
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2010-04-25, 11:03 PM #45
I like judging things! Let's all judge together.
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2010-04-26, 1:04 AM #46
WILD GODWIN APPEARED

[QUOTE=Cool Adolf]The Germans and the Austrians are far more pure and deserving of the fame, IMO.

And I won't even go into that statement, Winston.


Vienna Teng with one of her many many variations of Gravity. (Starts about a minute and a half in) I like her because she's not a Jew

And of course, the immensely creative Imogen Heap does all sorts of whacky, yet incredibly great sounding music without being a Jew.
[/QUOTE]

[quote=Cool Adolf]Because dance music doesn't have to be Jewish.[/quote]

[quote=Cool Adolf]Sure I can, I just did.

Also, it is opinion, I never stated otherwise. But I don't find anything in them to be valuable or even worth listening to. Oh, and I can't judge their linguistic quality since I can't understand them half of the time. If it's not "Oy vey!" it's typically nothing but gibberish. If it weren't for my occasional visits to the camps I'd probably never have a chance of hearing it.

And Frank, I don't hate people. I hate Jews. There's a difference.[/quote]

[quote=Cool Adolf]I think the thing that bothers me the most is there seems to be a lot of people (particularly Poles) who look up to them as some sort of role models which they most definitely are not. And they seem to have no problem with perpetuating that.[/quote]

[quote=Cool Adolf]They're not that far off from parasites, actually.[/quote]

[quote=Cool Adolf]Winston seems to be one of those people that makes sweeping judgments about someone else's opinions without even fully reading what the other person wrote. They don't have to be the most useful or productive. But considering what others say they are, I would expect something. It's irrelevant anyway, as I judge them on more than just that alone (such as something as simple as genetics, which I already mentioned.)

Go ahead guys, keep attempting to take the high road on this one, but it was an opinion from the start, and you're arguing for nothing.[/quote]



(Entirely in bad taste, and I don't actually think CM is Hitler.)
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-04-26, 1:17 AM #47
That is the absolute best post you have ever constructed, Kroko. This does nothing but reaffirm my love for you.
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2010-04-26, 2:26 AM #48
Ready to party like it's 1939
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2010-04-26, 5:27 AM #49
Originally posted by Antony:
You should talk to CM about why he refuses to consider watching Avatar. He's sure it sucks without having seen it.

CM thinks lots of things suck without ever seeing/trying them. It's seriously a running trend that I've noticed with him. :P
nope.
2010-04-26, 6:41 AM #50
Holy **** Kroko
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2010-04-26, 6:48 AM #51
I've seen Avatar. It's called previews. That's all I needed to see.

Not to mention, Baco, that's completely irrelevant here. I have listened to some of her music in its entirety, including the videos posted on this thread.

Also, Emon, just because you don't like my reasons does not mean they are not valid reasons. Get over it. They're not preconceptions and I have seen no evidence to the contrary that says any of my supposedly stupid reasons is actually wrong.

Boo hoo someone doesn't like Lady Gaga, everyone go after him! Get over it, seriously. Doesn't matter how many times you insist my opinion is wrong, it's not. No one's even managed to say why, except that "well others do it so it's ok!". Yeah, not an argument.
2010-04-26, 6:52 AM #52
Originally posted by Krokodile:
WILD GODWIN APPEARED















(Entirely in bad taste, and I don't actually think CM is Hitler.)


Best Kroko post.
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2010-04-26, 7:32 AM #53
I'm going to make an addendum based on feedback from the chat:

I'm not saying anyone else's opinion of Gaga is wrong, nor ever intended to imply it. But apparently a lot of you think that's what I was saying anyway. I don't like her music, or the way she acts, and that's my reasons for disliking her. I'm not going to get more in-depth because I don't think it is necessary, and probably couldn't offer a "good enough" reason to satisfy anyone here regardless.

With that, I'm done arguing on this. Go back to whatever.
2010-04-26, 7:39 AM #54
I don't like Gaga either.
2010-04-26, 11:10 AM #55
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I've seen Avatar. It's called previews. That's all I needed to see.

This continues to be the dumbest thing you've ever said.
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2010-04-26, 11:16 AM #56
Originally posted by Antony:
This continues to be the dumbest thing you've ever said.


I think I'll survive not paying money to see a movie I don't want to see.
2010-04-26, 11:21 AM #57
Goddamnit, is Bill back on his Avatar thing again?

WE GET IT ALREADY, JESUS!
2010-04-26, 11:51 AM #58
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I think I'll survive not paying money to see a movie I don't want to see.

Fair enough, but that particular statement was pretty silly. :P
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2010-04-26, 12:54 PM #59
Originally posted by Wolfy:
This is easily the best rendition of Lady Gaga


That is AWESOME.

Acoustic version's really good, too - I might actually listen to some of her music (I've only heard of her in reference to by local female [colleagues] pop music fans before).
幻術
2010-04-26, 1:00 PM #60
Watched a couple Lady Gaga videos.

She makes me think of a female Marilyn Manson for the new generation. Well, current generation, really, since most of us were born in the 80's. People born in 1992 are now 18. ZOMG.
幻術
2010-04-26, 1:04 PM #61
I do her... oh wait that's not what this thread is about...


CM, don't judge Avatar by the previews. I thought it looked retarded, and yeah, it's basically a sci-fi Pilgrims Vs Native American story... AND maybe it was just the 3D from when I went to see it. But it wasn't a bad movie over all. This coming from someone who wouldn't have been bothered to go see it otherwise... (I was dragged to it, so meh.)
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2010-04-26, 1:27 PM #62
Originally posted by Steven:
Goddamnit, is Bill back on his Avatar thing again?

WE GET IT ALREADY, JESUS!

It's got nothing to do with the fact that it's Avatar. I despise people who say a movie or something sucks and they have not seen it. Even worse is the fact that he says he's seen it because he's seen the trailers, which were horrendous trailers.

Blow it out your ass, Steven.
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2010-04-26, 2:08 PM #63
Struck a nerve, have I?
2010-04-26, 2:16 PM #64
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I'm not saying anyone else's opinion of Gaga is wrong, nor ever intended to imply it. But apparently a lot of you think that's what I was saying anyway. I don't like her music, or the way she acts, and that's my reasons for disliking her.

No one is saying you have to like Lady Gaga. But you're not the center of the universe, either. Just because you dislike something doesn't make it bad, and just because you like something doesn't make it good.

And Avatar was immensely better than the trailers made it look. I went into it expecting to hate it and was thoroughly entertained.
2010-04-26, 2:19 PM #65
Originally posted by Steven:
Struck a nerve, have I?

No, you're just a total douche bag.
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2010-04-26, 2:22 PM #66
I see you Bill
2010-04-26, 2:33 PM #67
Ha
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2010-04-26, 2:35 PM #68
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;1078017']No one is saying you have to like Lady Gaga. But you're not the center of the universe, either. Just because you dislike something doesn't make it bad, and just because you like something doesn't make it good.


I'm sorry, was there a point to any of that? I'm fairly sure the exact post you just quoted rebuked all of this.
2010-04-26, 2:46 PM #69
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I'm sorry, was there a point to any of that? I'm fairly sure the exact post you just quoted rebuked all of this.


It didn't really.
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Because dance music doesn't have to be bad.

Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Vienna Teng and Imogen Heap are far more talented and deserving of the fame

I'm explaining that your opinion is not a barometer of quality, it's a barometer of your own taste. That you apparently don't see a difference between "Lady Gaga sucks" and "I don't like Lady Gaga" reflects a degree of self-centeredness bordering on the solipsistic. You can qualify all you like by insisting it's "your opinion" but the fact that it's your opinion doesn't give it inherent value or validity.

Also, coming into a thread about an artist/movie/etc you don't like or listen to just to **** on it is pretty douchey.
2010-04-26, 2:50 PM #70
I'm not allowed to think Lady Gaga sucks? What?

By that reasoning, you are not allowed to think Lady Gaga is good either.
2010-04-26, 2:51 PM #71
You're allowed to believe anything you like. That doesn't make it not dumb.

Or to put it more delicately, ill-considered, ignorant, myopic, dogmatic, patriarchal, rockist, and contrarian.
2010-04-26, 2:54 PM #72
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;1078029']You're allowed to believe anything you like. That doesn't make it not dumb.


That doesn't make your statement "not dumb" either. :carl:

(Also, double negatives are painful)
2010-04-26, 2:55 PM #73
If you'd like to explain why you think my thoughts about Lady Gaga are dumb, you're more than welcome to. Otherwise, it probably would have been a better idea to just not post in this thread. There's lots of threads. I'm sure you can find one about something you do like.

So far, though, you've just come in this thread to **** on it, then gone "wahh I'm allowed to have an opinion" when people take you up on it.
2010-04-26, 2:58 PM #74
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;1078031']If you'd like to explain why you think my thoughts about Lady Gaga are dumb, you're more than welcome to.

So far, though, you've just come in this thread to **** on it, then gone "wahh I'm allowed to have an opinion" when people take you up on it.


Maybe next time you should say "ONLY SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT GAGA IN THIS THREAD" and I wouldn't post my opinion of her.

I actually had no intention whatsoever on debating her, and frankly still don't. I could not care less.

Edit: And you're choosing to keep this going on... for what reason?

Edit 2: Seriously Thrawn, I don't know how much clearer I can state it than I did earlier. I was stating my opinion, I was not saying you are an idiot for thinking she's good, or whatever the hell vendetta you think I have. Which is wholly ironic considering you think I am "dumb" for my opinion. You can either accept this, or drop it, but continuing this on is only going to be hypocritical and frankly a waste of time.
2010-04-26, 3:10 PM #75
It's my thread. I made it to post in. And you're being a douche in it.

If you "could not care less," have no intention of actually engaging on an intellectual level and are only, as it seems, interested in getting the last word, you have a lot less reason to be posting in it than I do.

Meanwhile here is a good interview

[http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7400000/Lady-GaGa-in-a-German-television-interview-July-20-09-lady-gaga-7418010-500-400.jpg]
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Reporting from Boston — Almost immediately after she deposited herself in a corner booth at L'Espalier, the restaurant at Boston's Mandarin Oriental Hotel on the December afternoon after the first American date of her Monster Ball tour, Lady Gaga made a confounding statement.

"I don't see myself as ever being like anybody else," said the 23-year-old known to her mom (eating lunch nearby) as Stefani Germanotta. "I don't see myself as an heir."

Yet there she was, in a blond Hollywood bob and black tuxedo-bra combo much like the costumes Madonna wore 20 years ago, discussing a show that conjures the spirits of Michael Jackson, David Bowie and the punk-rock drag queens of downtown New York and promoting music -- the newly expanded edition of her 2008 debut album, "The Fame," greatly enriched by eight new songs and repackaged as "The Fame Monster" -- that pays blatant homage to ABBA, Queen, Eurodisco and Marilyn Manson.

Gaga doesn't care. She wants you to trace her references. " John Lennon talked about how with every song he wrote, he was thinking of another artist," she said, making a less expected connection to a pop deity.

She's yet to attain the status of the Beatles, but in the ever-accelerating pop cycle, Gaga is a top sensation, and many people's vote for the most exciting artist of 2009. "The Fame" has sold nearly 2 million copies in the U.S. and reportedly double that internationally; her album and the single "Poker Face" both made the top three on the year-end tally of top iTunes downloads.

"The Fame Monster" continues this sales sweep, but it also considerably advances Gaga's artistic project with some of her strongest songs yet, including the earworm-infested "Bad Romance" and the sumptuously emotional ballad "Speechless."

The world is responding. She's made friends with Madonna, been interviewed by Barbara Walters and met the Queen of England at the annual Royal Variety Performance. The Monster Ball has sold out multiple nights in major cities including Los Angeles, where it comes to the Nokia Theater at L.A. Live for shows Dec. 21-23.

This is all happening not because Gaga is cute or takes off her clothes but because (to use one of her favorite words) she is a monster -- a monster talent, that is, with a serious brain.

During nearly two hours of conversation, she not only reiterates her assertion of total originality but also finesses it until it's both a philosophical stance about how constructing a persona from pop-cultural sources can be an expression of a person's truth -- à la those drag queens Gaga sincerely admires -- and a bit of a feminist act.

"I'm getting the sense that you're a little bit of a feminist, like I am, which is good," she said. "I find that men get away with saying a lot in this business, and that women get away with saying very little . . . In my opinion, women need and want someone to look up to that they feel have the full sense of who they are, and says, 'I'm great.' "

Gaga's casual use of the term "feminist" was interesting; like many female pop stars, she's rejected the term in the past. But she's evolving. She is growing "more compassionate," she says, and focusing more on ideas of community, especially the one formed by her core fan base, a mix of gay men, bohemian kids and young women attracted by Gaga's style and her singable melodies.

Grand declarations

Her new songs address serious themes like women's shame about their bodies and the need for open communication in relationships; her often physically distorting costumes show that the pursuit of the feminine ideal is far from natural. Her commitment to confront the changing notion of what's "natural" puts Gaga on the same road traveled by artists she admires, such as the photographer Cindy Sherman. Her frank talk about how female artists aren't expected to write their own songs or about how young women are afraid to ask for what they need from their sexual partners inches her toward a new articulation of feminism.

"If you ask somebody where you see sexism in your life, all they think of is the old stuff," said Nona Willis Aronowitz, co-author of the new book "Girldrive: Criss-Crossing America, Redefining Feminism," by phone. "Equal pay, that's not really on their radar. Domestic violence and rape aren't necessarily in the forefront. But you ask about double standards or restrictive gender roles, they don't think of that as sexism; they think of that as the way it is. That's kind of like what Lady Gaga is talking about."

cont'd
2010-04-26, 3:11 PM #76
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Maybe next time you should say "ONLY SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT GAGA IN THIS THREAD" and I wouldn't post my opinion of her.


You should know by now that there is no order or form to when it may be inappropriate to hate on something other people like. Even if you start out all nicey nice about it.

Unless your name is Rob. Then you're just a troll. I'm almost sure I could start a thread about hating Twilight, something a lot of people of the "nerd" demographic hate, and get flamed out, a closed thread, and a ban stick reared over my head.

Quote:
Edit: And you're choosing to keep this going on... for what reason?


It's funny as hell because the internet is serious business. Lady Gaga is serious business.
2010-04-26, 3:14 PM #77
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;1078033']It's my thread. I made it to post in. And you're being a douche in it.

If you "could not care less," have no intention of actually engaging on an intellectual level and are only, as it seems, interested in getting the last word, you have a lot less reason to be posting in it than I do.


Yes, I wanted to get the last word in by posting something that the chat room guys thought was rather well put and meant to end the stupid non-relevant discussion.

Go have your reply since I'm sure you want the last word, and I won't post here again, out of respect for anyone else who actually does want to discuss Gaga and not how wrong my opinion is.
2010-04-26, 3:15 PM #78
Bye!
2010-04-26, 3:17 PM #79
Originally posted by Antony:
No, you're just a total douche bag.


Surely not a total douchebag. Perhaps just a partial douchebag, or a nice guy by day, douchebag by night kind of thing?
2010-04-26, 3:22 PM #80
Originally posted by Rob:
Unless your name is Rob. Then you're just a troll. I'm almost sure I could start a thread about hating Twilight, something a lot of people of the "nerd" demographic hate, and get flamed out, a closed thread, and a ban stick reared over my head.

Well that would probably be a silly thread seeing as the majority of us haven't even read a single word of a Twilight book. Though to be fair about the only person defending it would be CM. :P
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