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"Baba Yetu" (Civilization 4) song first ever video game song to be nom & win a Grammy
2011-02-14, 9:42 AM #41
Originally posted by Emon:
Sure you can. For instance, until today I thought Imogen Heap was awful because all I heard were garbage live recordings like this one. Two major problems with it: lack of melody (clapping is not enough, sorry) and a grating voice overlay ("just for now") that literally hurt my ears to listen to. I found the studio recording and was floored at how awesome it is. There's a beautiful background track that adds a lot to the song, no obnoxious clapping and the overlay is quiet and pleasant.


Yet if I say that something is grating or terrible lyrics, that's not okay. What?
2011-02-14, 9:50 AM #42
What song? What about it is grating? You can't just say "it is."

Also I'm not really out to criticize Baba Yetu, I like it a lot. I just don't think the lyrics argument works well for it. The arrangement is great but the lyrics are Christian trite disguised under the veil of being "Africa-y."
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2011-02-14, 9:55 AM #43
Originally posted by Emon:
Specifically what about it? You haven't said anything other than it is.


Specifically what nothing. You didn't give anything specific about all the songs either. You said it was grating and lack of melody. Period. And you and I both know I am not going to go through every single song individually. The reasons were given adequately for their entirety, and no one here gives two ****s about which apply to what song.

And I'm not even talking about Baba Yetu, I don't mind nor care if you like/dislike it. I haven't gone after anyone in this thread for saying anything about the song.
2011-02-14, 10:02 AM #44
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
You didn't give anything specific about all the songs either. You said it was grating and lack of melody. Period.

Physical discomfort is a pretty good reason to not like a song. And no, not "period." I defined a specific aspect of the song and how it was improved in the studio recording. I'll admit I could do better in describing it but at least it's not "99% of songs at the Grammys suck because I said so."

Originally posted by Cool Matty:
And you and I both know I am not going to go through every single song individually.

Don't be obtuse, no one was expecting you to explain why you dislike every song. But not even an example?

Originally posted by Cool Matty:
The reasons were given adequately for their entirety, and no one here gives two ****s about which apply to what song.

It matters because if you can't identify anything specific, it looks an awful lot like you are talking out of your ass.
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2011-02-14, 10:12 AM #45
A. I gave more specific reasons, you didn't like that.
B. Example can be Lady Gaga's Bad Romance. It sounds grating and has some mind blowingly dull, repeated lyrics. There. Same difference.
C. It doesn't matter to anyone but yourself, you're only jumping all over me because you have nothing better to do, and even though I gave reasons you still fall back to the very first post in this thread, which did not even need a response.
2011-02-14, 10:20 AM #46
Are you even paying attention? "Sounds grating" doesn't work because it doesn't identify any particular aspect about the composition. It's exactly the same as saying "it's bad because."

[quote=Cool Matty]you're only jumping all over me because you have nothing better to do[/quote]
I'm arguing with you because it bothers me when people dismiss work without even giving it a chance. But it seems there's not much of a point in arguing with you.
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2011-02-14, 10:25 AM #47
You want a specific section of the song now? How specific are we gonna have to get here? Down to individual beats/notes? Why not wavelengths? It's not a particular aspect except everything up to the refrain, by which point I've already turned it off because I can't stand anymore of it. The instruments, the melody, her voice, all of it.
2011-02-14, 10:30 AM #48
You aren't even trying, so let's not bother continuing.
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2011-02-14, 11:00 AM #49
Best song that won a Grammy in my opinion.

666, The Number of the Beast.
664, The Bloke Next Door.
Matt Bonner, The Lebron Killer
2011-02-14, 12:25 PM #50
Wow..... I'm loving this war between Cool Matty and Emon.

For a moderator, Cool Matty is acting pretty irresponsible, IMO.

Oh crap.... I'm gonna get banned!
:psyduck:
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-Emon
2011-02-14, 12:28 PM #51
Irresponsible? I'm not allowed to have an argument with a THICKHEADED MORON IDIOT LIKE EMON? (C wut I did thar?)
2011-02-14, 12:32 PM #52
Originally posted by Emon:
"99% of songs at the Grammys suck because I said so."


I agree with that
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2011-02-14, 3:13 PM #53
By the way this technically isn't a video game song either because it was the recording from the dude's cd that was nominated. The original thing doesn't qualify for this year. :P
nope.
2011-02-14, 3:27 PM #54
I believe it was written for the game and then added to the album.

Edit:

Quote:
Originally written for the game, it has since become a crossover hit outside of the video game industry


Yep
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2011-02-14, 3:30 PM #55
I know. :P
nope.
2011-02-14, 3:47 PM #56
Originally posted by Emon:
You're a writer, aren't you? Surely you can look at a piece and find problems with how its elements are put together. Same thing in any form of art.

I'm fairly sure Tracer was being sarcastic. From my understanding, he's more musician than writer, and that's saying a lot.
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2011-02-14, 10:35 PM #57
I refuse to accept this until Jeremy Soule gets a sodding nomination. :colbert:
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2011-02-15, 7:42 AM #58
Originally posted by Emon:
It's The Lord's Prayer in Swahili. I'd say the lyrics are worse than any song at the Grammys.

The lyrics are even worse because the word "yethu" that gets repeated over everything else just means "our".
2011-02-15, 9:37 AM #59
Originally posted by Recusant:
The lyrics are even worse because the word "yethu" that gets repeated over everything else just means "our".


because you know, people don't repeat things that dont make sense just because they are catchy:

"MY UMBRELLA, ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA ELLA, EH EH EH EH"
2011-02-15, 9:46 AM #60
Originally posted by Emon:
You're a writer, aren't you? Surely you can look at a piece and find problems with how its elements are put together. Same thing in any form of art.


I'm a fake internet writer, I don't really know very much about writing. It just surprised me that you would use the word 'problems' to describe a song's construction.
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2011-02-15, 11:32 AM #61
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*bows*

Sometimes it's the music that makes the song.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-02-15, 1:24 PM #62
good good example, better than mine =[
2011-02-15, 1:43 PM #63
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I can has Grammy now?
666, The Number of the Beast.
664, The Bloke Next Door.
Matt Bonner, The Lebron Killer
2011-02-15, 1:49 PM #64
Originally posted by Tracer:
I'm a fake internet writer, I don't really know very much about writing. It just surprised me that you would use the word 'problems' to describe a song's construction.

I think the only thing that makes you a "fake" writer is that you don't get paid (to my knowledge).
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2011-02-15, 8:37 PM #65
Speaking of game music: JESPER KYD
2011-02-15, 8:41 PM #66
Well, flat out. Most, being in the 90% range, of the songs up for "Grammy awards" were utter ****. Plain and simple.

The industry hasn't been about good music since the days of michael jackson. They are in it to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that, but don't expect to see anything worth listening to on the front of your itunes marketplace, or in your grammys for that matter.
2011-02-16, 4:21 AM #67
An industry in something to make a buck? NEVAR. :P
nope.
2011-02-16, 6:37 AM #68
Originally posted by x25064:
The industry hasn't been about good music since the days of michael jackson. They are in it to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that, but don't expect to see anything worth listening to on the front of your itunes marketplace, or in your grammys for that matter.


I've got a problem with that though, and I don't think the music industry is to blame. It's all the wackos in this world that listen to lady gaga and beiber. If no one listened to that crap than it wouldn't be so popular.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2011-02-16, 7:34 AM #69
Originally posted by mb:
oh hey lion king soundtrack.


This was my first thought as well.
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2011-02-16, 8:22 AM #70
Originally posted by zanardi:
I've got a problem with that though, and I don't think the music industry is to blame. It's all the wackos in this world that listen to lady gaga and beiber. If no one listened to that crap than it wouldn't be so popular.


"If people didn't like things that are different from what I like, everyone would like what I like!"

Also, since when has music NOT been about making a buck to a significant portion of the industry?
Warhead[97]
2011-02-16, 8:37 AM #71
Since that time when I was a kid and didn't perceive the world as it really was so I remember it with blissful nostalgia!
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2011-02-16, 8:42 AM #72
Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
"If people didn't like things that are different from what I like, everyone would like what I like!"


eh, there is enough music out there for everyone to like and still weed out the popular ****ty ****.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2011-02-16, 9:43 AM #73
Originally posted by x25064:
Well, flat out. Most, being in the 90% range, of the songs up for "Grammy awards" were utter ****. Plain and simple.

The industry hasn't been about good music since the days of michael jackson. They are in it to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that, but don't expect to see anything worth listening to on the front of your itunes marketplace, or in your grammys for that matter.


That's a hell of a statement. Just because something's popular and accessible doesn't make it bad. I would also say that all professional musicians are in it to make a buck - they're professionals and that's what they do for a living.
COUCHMAN IS BACK BABY
2011-02-16, 10:21 AM #74
ITT: matty hates things that are popular, always
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2011-02-16, 10:27 AM #75
Originally posted by x25064:
Well, flat out. Most, being in the 90% range, of the songs up for "Grammy awards" were utter ****. Plain and simple.

You're utterly wrong. Plain and simple.

See how ****ing stupid of an argument that is? That's what this whole damn thread turned into. You can't just talk out of your ass and justify it because "plain and simple" or "just because."
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-02-16, 11:59 AM #76
but what about "flat out"
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2011-02-16, 12:35 PM #77
"Flat out" is totally fair game, flat out.
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2011-02-16, 2:17 PM #78
That was a pretty fun game.
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2011-02-16, 2:59 PM #79
Originally posted by zanardi:
I've got a problem with that though, and I don't think the music industry is to blame. It's all the wackos in this world that listen to lady gaga and beiber. If no one listened to that crap than it wouldn't be so popular.


gaga and bieber aren't crap.

They're contrived, yeah, but hardly crap.

If you want to hear crap I invite you to go with me this weekend to the club where 'experimental college bands' who are 'breaking new ground' play. 29 of 30 are, genuinely, crap. Crap produced solely from narcissism, not any artistic impulse or desire to make a living, just pure self conscious, technically lacking crap. gaga and bieber are both marginally talented people who worked really hard and got incredibly lucky being snatched up and marketed.

But if we can't critique a song based on it's technical elements, I can't imagine how something so subjective as film has a whole field of study built around it.



im gonna go get drunk and fly a kite now (best springtime activity for hitler thread over )
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-02-16, 3:24 PM #80
Originally posted by Spook:
gaga and bieber are both marginally talented people who worked really hard and got incredibly lucky being snatched up and marketed.

Gaga is actually incredibly talented. Technically she has an amazing voice and good sense of composition -- she writes all of her songs (contrast to say, Katy Perry). She even writes non-dance music, but no one talks about it because it doesn't make her money.

As far as I can tell Bieber is a kid with a good voice, a sappy story and a YouTube career that got out of control.
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