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Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you the Ballad of Bad Politics.
2013-10-08, 4:40 PM #121
A decrease in price to the consumer would occur if the companies kept their profits the same when the cost to produce dropped. But supply and demand remain where they are, the market price remains the same, and company profits increase.
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2013-10-08, 4:40 PM #122
When the work that you, as an individual, contribute can no longer compete with the work that software and robots can do, then the only rational economic system is one that distributes resources regardless of the work that you do (with obviously a secondary scheme for people to compete for luxuries).

We are to the point where the problem of resource distribution ought to be treated as a design problem.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2013-10-08, 6:10 PM #123
http://cir.ca/news/switzerlands-guaranteed-income

I don't have a lot of commentary. I'm like a footnote.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2013-10-08, 6:31 PM #124
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2013-10-08, 10:12 PM #125
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2013-10-08, 10:19 PM #126
I've had that thought myself- if everybody on the planet made 17,000 dollars a year, there still wouldn't be enough food for all of them and we would still have problems.
On a small scale like Switzerland it works, but I'm not sure if that idea can be carried forward on a large national, or global, scale. I haven't actually looked into this much but the points are there.
America could probably do it, there's definitely enough food and housing for the population if it was rationed well. But China? India? Africa?
2013-10-08, 11:03 PM #127
Originally posted by Tibby:
I've had that thought myself- if everybody on the planet made 17,000 dollars a year, there still wouldn't be enough food for all of them and we would still have problems.
On a small scale like Switzerland it works, but I'm not sure if that idea can be carried forward on a large national, or global, scale. I haven't actually looked into this much but the points are there.
America could probably do it, there's definitely enough food and housing for the population if it was rationed well. But China? India? Africa?


Much of the famine in the world is caused by overproducing cash crops at the expense of food
2013-10-09, 1:27 AM #128
Do we have enough arable land to feed all 7 billion of us comfortable with rationing though?
2013-10-09, 1:43 AM #129
Originally posted by Tibby:
Do we have enough arable land to feed all 7 billion of us comfortable with rationing though?
Yes. The problem is there's no profit incentive to ship large amounts of food to poor brown people.

Arable land isn't even a limiting factor. With current technology, we're very far from tapping out the food production potential of the planet. A bigger problem is running out of energy or rendering the planet uninhabitable for humans.
2013-10-09, 1:45 AM #130
Originally posted by Reid:
a guaranteed basic income sounds more likely to cause inflation than just socialism


Also yes, it would. In order to do this effectively you need to fix the prices of certain goods.
2013-10-09, 9:44 AM #131
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2013-10-09, 7:13 PM #132
Sorry, don't know how to play this video :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUi62E8LfOc

Well that's it, Dems just won 2014.
2013-10-09, 7:14 PM #133
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Yes. The problem is there's no profit incentive to ship large amounts of food to poor brown people.

Arable land isn't even a limiting factor. With current technology, we're very far from tapping out the food production potential of the planet. A bigger problem is running out of energy or rendering the planet uninhabitable for humans.

Well, we're making strides in fusion tech, if we can get that the rest will follow.
I have some hope.
2013-10-09, 8:44 PM #134
Originally posted by Tibby:
Sorry, don't know how to play this video :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUi62E8LfOc

Well that's it, Dems just won 2014.

video deleted. what was this?
2013-10-09, 9:28 PM #135
It was a kid, maybe 5 or 6 years old, pitching a fit that he couldn't look at nasa.gov. His mom tried to console him and get his mind on other things but he would have none of it. It was actually kind of adorable.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2013-10-09, 11:48 PM #136
They took it down? Dang. NASA even responded.
Like freelancer said, it was a little kid crying about how he couldn't play the games on NASA.Gov, scared that it was "Gone."

Staged? Probably, definitely. Had it stayed up it could've been "That video that defines a year."
2013-10-10, 8:04 AM #137
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2013-10-10, 9:52 AM #138
Originally posted by Jon`C:
fig. 1

fig. 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus

fig. 3
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/30/cdc-shutdown-no-in-depth-investigations-of-outbreaks/


But why wait?

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2013/10/national-salmonella-outbreak-sickens-300-people-including-five-texans.html/
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2013-10-10, 9:57 AM #139
Originally posted by Reid:
a 5 year old throwing a tantrum?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/white-vaginas-banned-for-ivy-league-production-of-vagina-monologues


:suicide: To everything in that link... Story AND comments included.
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2013-10-11, 1:29 PM #140
Obama strode into Cruz's office, katana in his hand. Cruz stood at the window, looking out at the chaos outside, sipping from a whiskey bottle. [/COLOR]

"Cruz!" snapped Obama. "It's not too late to save the country!" [/COLOR]

"It was too late for you in 1812. You'd think burning the White House once was warning enough. The country is [/COLOR] saved, Mr. President," Cruz said. Cruz raised the bottle to his lips. "The forces of liberation crossed the border an hour ago."

"What? Forces of liberation? What are you talking about?" Obama noticed an odd, sweet smell in the air.

"Aboot. Aboot. Yes." Cruz turned away from the window. "The greatest, most powerful nation on earth... shut down and insolvent. Your border guards unpaid. The national guard and reserves in your northern states furloughed... and outside. Chaos. Destruction. From within. All according to plan." Cruz put the whiskey bottle on his desk and picked up a hockey stick.

Obama moved to the guard position with his Katana. "That's not whiskey, is it, Cruz?"

"No. Maple syrup. The only way my kind can survive off of the soil of our homeland. Decades of preparation. Pretending to be a conservative. Denying my true heritage."

"All along, our destruction your only goal."

Cruz was wrapping his hockey stick with grip tape. "Not your destruction. Your salvation."

The sounds outside changed. The screaming swelled. Obama looked outside the window. The sky darkened as hordes of Canadian Geese blotted out the sun. As far as the eye could see, moose swarmed the streets of DC, each moose with a red-jacketed Mountie on the back.

Cruz nodded. "Yes. I have smashed capitalism and destroyed the United States. Now, Canada will come and lead to you a glorious socialist future. Only once you have lost everything are you free to become anything. This is the end. The end, and the beginning."

Obama turned and ran. Biden was outside waiting with the Trans Am. They had to escape.

stolen from Facebook [/COLOR]
2013-10-11, 8:36 PM #141
Haha, I could see South Park doing this.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2013-10-13, 1:17 AM #142


lol

at this point I'd be okay with the president declaring martial law and disbanding the house forever. let the senate fix this **** as a unicameral legislature and let all 435 representatives eat ****.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2013-10-13, 1:36 AM #143
how is that not literally treason
2013-10-13, 5:29 AM #144
Originally posted by Tibby:
how is that not literally treason


Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
It took a while for you to find me; I was hiding in the lime tree.
2013-10-13, 5:38 AM #145
Also, the house has the right to make and modify it's own rules, and they do so all the time.
It took a while for you to find me; I was hiding in the lime tree.
2013-10-13, 8:52 AM #146
Originally posted by Freelancer:


lol

at this point I'd be okay with the president declaring martial law and disbanding the house forever. let the senate fix this **** as a unicameral legislature and let all 435 representatives eat ****.


Wow... really? I would almost never be in favor of martial law, even in cases where it may be legally allowed. Yeah, no thank you.
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2013-10-13, 12:41 PM #147
So you trust Eric Cantor and the Kock brothers with ultimate power over the country more than the president? You're a brave man.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2013-10-13, 12:56 PM #148
I dont trust either of them with ultimate power over the country. Don't get me wrong, the koch brothers and those like them do have influence in government that is very real and FAR greater than it should be, but it falls quite short of the sort of power that can be wielded and abused under martial law. ...Unless I severely underestimate the likes of the koch family, in which case they would probably be behind and in control of any martial law and again... no thank you.
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2013-10-13, 1:01 PM #149
If you want the government to get all medieval on some group or faction... how about instead of dismantling one of the power checks in government, they go after the financial backers that are the root of most of the problems. yes, yes... first amendment. however i think you would find a surprising amount of support for doing away with the citizens united decision from ALL sides of the isle.

...but again that gets really tricky. maybe impossibly so.
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2013-10-13, 3:33 PM #150
just burn the whole thing down and start over
2013-10-13, 3:34 PM #151
Originally posted by UltimatePotato:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Since the shutdown affects the military I think one could make a flimsy argument that it does provide aid to the enemy.
2013-10-13, 7:29 PM #152
Originally posted by Tibby:
Since the shutdown affects the military I think one could make a flimsy argument that it does provide aid to the enemy.


flimsy is the correct description and i'm so tired of people saying "this is treason" but at least unlike the vast majority of idiots who do it you consulted the text
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2013-10-13, 8:14 PM #153
I just love calling things I hate treason because it's a powerful word.
well not anymore since I overused and ruined it, I'm thinking of using "atrocity" now.
2013-10-13, 11:12 PM #154
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-reinbach/the-gop-shutdown-is-sedit_b_4079692.html
Quote:
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire... by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States... they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
2013-10-13, 11:17 PM #155
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2013-10-13, 11:53 PM #156
what
2013-10-13, 11:54 PM #157
Originally posted by Tibby:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-reinbach/the-gop-shutdown-is-sedit_b_4079692.html


This is one of the stupidest ****ing things I've ever read. Based on the federal court guide cited, the extortion case fails ​on the very first question.
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2013-10-13, 11:56 PM #158
Basically Andrew Reinbach can go to Hell or, worse, go to law school.
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2013-10-14, 12:15 AM #159
The shutdown did force parks to be closed.
Parks are property.
I'm all about weak arguments today.
2013-10-14, 1:26 AM #160
Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
This is one of the stupidest ****ing things I've ever read. Based on the federal court guide cited, the extortion case fails ​on the very first question.


Also the sedition case fails because they are not using force.
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