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Rogue One
2017-01-05, 8:57 AM #161
Regarding the score I was really annoyed by those two times (once at the logo and the other time at the end or something) where some bastardisation of the Star Wars theme was played. To me it felt like some parody sketch where they didn't want to get rights to the original music and just recorded something that sounded similar.
Sorry for the lousy German
2017-01-05, 10:37 AM #162
They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. They can't just recycle old John Williams pieces ad nauseum, and if it was a complete departure people would gripe even *more* about how un-Star Wars it felt. Certain people, I mean...
2017-01-05, 10:44 AM #163
Besides, Michael Giacchino is pretty good.

I liked the tune from the orbital establishing shot of Jedha. It's 0:56 in "Trust Goes Both Ways" on the Score. Also "Jedha Arrival" is p. good, especially the bit about 1:00 in wherein they approach the city and see the Star Destroyer above.
2017-01-05, 1:29 PM #164
My understanding is their original composer wasn't able to keep up with the speed of rewrites/re-edits, and they brought in Giacchino to put out the fires at the last minute. If it's not his best work, that's probably why.

Personally nothing in the score stood out to me as memorable or offensive, but I've only seen it once.
2017-01-05, 1:45 PM #165
Don't get me wrong. I thought the music was fine overall. Just these tiny two things stood out to me.
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2017-01-05, 2:17 PM #166
Did you guys notice the bit where Blind Ninja's Friend is shooting his repeater, and it shows the view though his scope, and the ammo counter is is obviously reminiscent of JK's HUD?
2017-01-05, 2:17 PM #167
Originally posted by Impi:
Don't get me wrong. I thought the music was fine overall. Just these tiny two things stood out to me.


I didn't mind the music, but it annoyed me because at times it seemed like it was starting up the love theme from AotC, but then it changes a couple notes and it just doesn't sound as nice...

It bugs me because I really like that song/theme...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY
The bit at 1:40 or 3:40 ish... It's better in the movie though.
2017-01-05, 2:59 PM #168
Originally posted by Vin:
Did you guys notice the bit where Blind Ninja's Friend is shooting his repeater, and it shows the view though his scope, and the ammo counter is is obviously reminiscent of JK's HUD?


I can't find a pic anywhere online. I read a rumor that the director was a fan of DF and that the Bryar Pistol and the repeater from JO were in Rogue One's visual dictionary. So I ordered it.
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2017-01-05, 8:00 PM #169
PS: I'm going to post my thoughts on R1 in another GIANT STAR WARS THREAD, but let me just say that I absolutely loved this movie and all you whiny *****es are nitpicking about stupid ****. This movie exceeded its goals by not only being an undoubtedly Star Wars movie, more connected to to the OT than any other film, but by offering a totally new take on the universe. I can't wait to go see it again (probably by myself sadly).
2017-01-06, 6:11 AM #170
Yeah, the music was really generic. It was only emphasized by the few Williams references.

The pacing, especially in the first part, is terrible.
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2017-01-06, 6:58 AM #171
STAR WARS HAD TOO MUCH STAR WARS FAN SERVICE STAR WARS BLEHGHCH

anyway this article made me enjoy the movie a lot more. I need to go see it again https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-ones-editors-reveal-scenes-added-in-the-star-wars-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html
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2017-01-06, 7:11 AM #172
Originally posted by Vin:
PS: I'm going to post my thoughts on R1 in another GIANT STAR WARS THREAD, but let me just say that I absolutely loved this movie and all you whiny *****es are nitpicking about stupid ****. This movie exceeded its goals by not only being an undoubtedly Star Wars movie, more connected to to the OT than any other film, but by offering a totally new take on the universe. I can't wait to go see it again (probably by myself sadly).


I'm pretty sure that's HOW we're enjoying it... I LOVED the movie, but half of the enjoyment is nitpicking it. :D
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2017-01-06, 11:52 AM #173
It was okay, but it's not half as good as people are making it out to be.
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2017-01-07, 2:43 PM #174
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
It was okay, but it's not half as good as people are making it out to be.


Yeah, it's TWICE as good as people are making it out to be.

jk
2017-01-08, 9:58 AM #175
But what does Lucas think of it? Oh.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2017-01-08, 12:31 PM #176
It was a pretty big breach of etiquette when he whined about TFA not literally being the film he wrote. If he whined about this one too, he might not get a complementary Disney parks pass next year.
2017-01-08, 12:54 PM #177
As insulting as TFA was to lifelong fans, I can't even fathom how it must have been for him.
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2017-01-08, 8:50 PM #178
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
I really, absolutely don't think this was the best SW since TESB. In fact, just like TFA, it was pretty meh. It was enjoyable, sure, but nothing special. AT-ATs went down way too easily, by the way. TFA I thought was a completely redundant effort. Terrible idea to do anything whatsoever after RotJ, I felt the same way about the old EU books that did that. Aside from that, it was just one big nostalgia effort. Say what you want about the prequels, yes they had flaws, but at least Lucas didn't rehash the originals. TFA had a real big problem connecting to the SW universe we've come to know. There were some things about it that were really not clear, or didn't make sense at all. Rogue One didn't really feel like Star Wars to me. The pacing was different, the music was really nothing memorable. This is what you get when you don't have John Williams, I guess. But it really made it feel less like Star Wars. It was enjoyable, and I'd watch it again, but at no point I felt really excited. The little Dark Forces nods were cool I guess, but they don't make the movie for me. None of it stacks up to the Lucas saga, in my opinion, as bad as the prequels were in some respects. (Not all, mind.) EDIT: JFC, why isn't it letting me make paragraphs? What kind of bug is that? Not even editing works.


Wait.. Dark Forces nods? What Dark Forces nods? Genuinely curious.
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2017-01-08, 9:04 PM #179
Anyway, I loved the movie. That space battle is all I ever wanted from a post-ROTJ star wars movie. My god, it was so good.

Also lol at the amount of property destruction that could be averted if star destroyers just had some lateral thrusters...
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2017-01-08, 9:33 PM #180
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Wait.. Dark Forces nods? What Dark Forces nods? Genuinely curious.


"Jyn Erso" is close to "Jan Ors" and her and Cardashian's costumes are similar enough to early Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn--not to mention the black stormtroopers--that you could make a case for there being some Dark Forces inspiration in there. It'd make sense too, I imagine a lot of the conceptual artists working on that movie were DF fans.

There may be one or two other things I forgot. As far as I know there's nothing confirmed or conclusive though.
2017-01-13, 1:06 AM #181
Originally posted by Brian:
The last battle scene was pretty cool. The story was ok. I am 100% against using CGI to insert actors who have been dead since 1994 into movies. They need to never do this again


Originally posted by snoopfighter:
Sounds like a moral/ethical viewpoint.

In a way, I understand, but these actors are living legends. They are forces within film that take on a wholely greater meaning than just being an "actor" in that they are the character they are representing.

I felt in no way was the visuals in regards to Tarkin or Leia disrespectful. To me, it was an ode to the source material we all know and love. I started perusing Massassi in 1999. I remember downloading "Old Ben" along with Ep 1characters to play in multiplayer on MS Gaming Zone. He was long since dead by then. Yet, to play as HIM, it was a nod to Star Wars as a cultural form since he still existed in the art that he portrayed.


I TOTALLY reverse my former standpoint.

Now that Carrie Fisher has passed and Disney announced they won't write her character out of the third film, I'm sad. I don't want to see a 3D old Leia. Oh god...

I love Carrie Fisher so much. I really did think she was a badass first and beautiful second. I'm so sad she's gone.
2017-01-13, 8:55 AM #182
I imagine it will look even better than CG characters in Rogue One, if they do it. I'm indifferent.
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2017-01-13, 11:33 AM #183
Rendering old Carrie Fisher is harder than rendering young Carrie Fisher... so we'll see.

Are they really going to do that? Is that what they mean by not writing her out? Will there be an edge-of-the-frame out-of-focus CGI Carrie Fisher in some roundtable scene in Ep. IX? Hmm.
2017-01-13, 3:40 PM #184
Maybe Episode IX is where we find out that Rey and Leia are sisters.
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2017-01-14, 8:49 AM #185
Remember when Darth Vader had to get out of the space bath for a meeting?
nope.
2017-01-14, 11:56 AM #186
'member Bespin?
'member IG-88?
'member Bossk?
'member the Ugnaughts?

ah yeah I 'member!
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2017-01-14, 7:44 PM #187
Never Forget
2017-01-14, 9:13 PM #188
'member Salacious B. Crumb?

He was the greatest.
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2017-01-16, 3:16 AM #189
There will be no CGI Leia in Episode IX: http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-new-rumors
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2017-01-19, 6:09 AM #190
Here's a very interesting Interview with Margaux Durand-Rival who did the previs of Rogue One. Basically building the scenes as a computer game the director can use to find the best camera angles and use as a template for the actual shooting and special fx. http://www.artofvfx.com/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-margaux-durand-rival-previs-postvis-supervisor-the-third-floor/
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2017-03-24, 7:35 AM #191
I just saw it.

It was great, you guys.
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2017-03-24, 7:45 AM #192
Rogue Post on a Thread Not About Trump - A Massassi 2017 Story
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2017-03-24, 8:25 AM #193
me:

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2017-03-24, 8:49 AM #194
Rogue Image - A JPEG Artifact Story
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2017-03-24, 8:59 AM #195
I just saw a news article where Disney announced they would not be CGI-recreating Carrie Fisher for the next next Star Wars movie (apparently all her scenes for the next one were already filmed and they're not changing it). I was happy to read that. I wonder if there was too much backlash or it's just too soon and they're afraid of potential backlash? I guess it could also mean she dies in the next one.
2017-03-24, 9:05 AM #196
Rogue Non-CGI Actor - A Performance Story

(okay rule of 3 fulfilled im done)
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2017-03-24, 9:13 AM #197
She also may be a peripheral character whose story is resolved in Ep 8, so that it make sense for her not to reappear in Ep 9.
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2017-03-24, 10:05 AM #198
Ok, since I didn't weigh in before:

My favorite thing about this movie was the design. It was fantastic how many subtle cues there were to previous movies. Things like the hydrolics that opened the swinging doors to the space ships evoked the Millenium Falcon, the little folded flaps under the collars of Cassian and Jyn's shirts evoked Han Solo's outfits in the OT, the panel on the back of K-whatever was very similar to C-3PO's. The little cues were far superior to the ham-fisted references to ANH in TFA. But I also really appreciated how many references there were to things in the real world. There was a building in the city in Jedah that was reminiscent of the Dome of the Rock in the Old City in Jerusalem (although wasn't a copy of it, I expect it was an allusion), and the fortress on that planet (the one that's etched into the rocks) was based on Petra in Jordan.

Also, it wasn't until I saw this movie that I noticed the Cold War undertones the Death Star must have had in when the OT was released (although I'm not sure if I was so fond of the way that the Death Star in this movie directly evoked nuclear weapons). But still, it was so refreshing to take things from real life and put them in the Star Wars universe. It made the movie feel novel and familiar at the same time.

Also, since Star Wars is always about family. I thought that they did a brilliant job telling the story of a daughter trying to find her father. I thought they captured some things that are unique to daughter-father relationships, and that also seemed very fresh. And the way in which the family ties and the political ties overlap and conflict was also very well done.

In general, I was skeptical when I'd read that they were making a star wars movie where there wouldn't be a clear line between good and evil. It's a played out theme, although obviously a timely one, in 2017, and it's something that makes the OT refreshing to look back on. But I thought this movie did a great job with moral ambiguity. The lack of trust that the characters have for each other at the beginning of the movie seemed very realistic.
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2017-03-24, 7:26 PM #199
Originally posted by Brian:
I just saw a news article where Disney announced they would not be CGI-recreating Carrie Fisher for the next next Star Wars movie (apparently all her scenes for the next one were already filmed and they're not changing it). I was happy to read that. I wonder if there was too much backlash or it's just too soon and they're afraid of potential backlash? I guess it could also mean she dies in the next one.


They said that months ago practically right after she died. I thought it was in the other thread but what was news worthy about it at the time was they were responding on the main Star Wars website to rumors about recreating her digitally which supposedly went against their policy to not comment on rumors. Here it is. Not trying to take anything away from the fact that you just saw the article, just FYI.
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2017-03-24, 9:12 PM #200
Hmm, I didn't see that; wish I had. I wonder why they just now published this? http://komonews.com/news/entertainment/carrie-fisher-wont-be-digitally-recreated-in-next-star-wars-film
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