Who would win in an all out war? The U.S. or china?

Excluding Nukes, 'cause that's boring.

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I'm putting my money on Batman.

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they have too many soldiers to kill but no way to get them here...sounds like a stalemate to me

Just contemplating that is laughable... The United States woudl win hands down.

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I don't know... GI vs Ninja... hmmm

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Do you have stairs in your house?

The US has a much better means to support its troops, attack from the air and from long distances

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Yeah, I keep having flashbacks to Indiana Jones, when that Indian started flailing his sword menicingly, and Jones just pulled out his peice and shot him between the eyes. Yeah. Hmmmm indeed.....

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That was different, though. Indians aren't super sneaky, and they don't wear black tights.

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Yeah... We'd just go in our aircraft carriers and bomb the bajeesus out of their troop carriers and aeroplanes from afar, they wouldnt stand a chance

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Stalemate. Without a land invasion (that neither country could successfully complete), any war is interminable.

I don't know. We could easily level many cities, but then again, so could they..

I guess we'd have a bit of an advantage, since we are within a closer striking distance to their capital, so in a surprise attack we might be able to take out a few top level people.

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NEw question: JAPAN vs America who would win??

No Nukes

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The US.

Korin: The Chinese military is outdated, unwieldy and poorly organized as is - all the troops in the world won't do you a bit of good when they've been immobilized by air strikes.

..And..all out war? You can forget about trying to not kill civilians, and like in Iraq, large numbers of enemy soldiers.

But I can't imagine that the US and China would ever go to war. A spat over Taiwan, maybe, but considering how dependent we are on them, and vice versa, it's just not plausible.

Ninjas aren't from China. They're from Japan.

The Chinese might have Shaolin monks, 'cept I think the gov't oppresses them.

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US would win in days.. since everything is confined to small islands, a few missiles would level the country in hours

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I look at it this way. In WWII, China got severly pwned by Japan. Then Japan got pwned by us. Therefor:

A < B, and B < C, A < C.

US wins.

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Soooo... does the elimination of nuclear warfare also entail the elimination of subs/carriers/facilities running with the aid of uranium rods?

It's kind of an impossible situation to calculate:

Events leading to hypothetical conflict, other things to consider:
- Would the US be bogged down in another conflict/theatre with thousands of troops deployed elsewhere?

- PRC invasion of Taiwan?

- PRC offensive over the Amur River into Siberia? Vice-versa?

- International incident in China-Pakistan-India Triangle leading to war?

- PRC somehow ends up killing the Dalai Lama? Worldwide reaction?

- Conflict on Korean peninsula escalating out of proportions?

- US or PRC forces causing international incident with collateral damage in unrelated conflict? (bombing opposing nation's embassy in global hot-spot?)

- coup d'etat in PRC, new administration provokes hostilities, is seen as a Rogue State, US forces invade in order to "liberate" people?

- Violent martial-law implemented in Hong Kong to weed out Falun Gong members. US-led UN forces intervene humanitarian aid, skirmishes between US forces and PRC forces lead to all out war?

- Warmongering administration set-up by either side? (i.e. submarine dumps pre-fabricated humanitarian-aid transport wreckage/evidence in disputed area, claims opposite side shot it down?)

- A "Franz Ferdinand" assassination of important minister while visiting other nation, blame the other nation, make ultimatum with impossible demands in order to justify conflict in own eyes, forcing your treaty/pact allies into conflict with you?

- Would NATO support the US forces? No action on the part of the UN security coucil?

There's a whole range of options to consider if you'd want to even make the most basic of assumptions. And even then you'd probably never even get a realistic scenario since a conflict of that scale would drag the rest of the world with it. Unless you'd set the conflict on an imaginary world with two continents. One populated by a billion Asians who happen to speak Mandarin (and to a lesser extent, Cantonese) who's armed forces happen to use Chicom equipment (sans nukes). The other populated by 260 million people from a mish-mash of ethnic groups who coincidentally deploy using US armed forces equipment from the early 21st century (sans nukes, yet again).

My opinion: Neither side could possibly ever "win" in horrific drawn out war of attrition.

I agree with daeron. It's too hard to calculate. And I think some of you are way too confident about your country.

Your overconfidence is your weakness

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That was 50 years ago, so its hard to make a direct comparison. However, it does raise some interesting points.

The US has proven itself to be an inovator when it comes down to crunch time. Compared to Japan and China the naval power of the US can't be touched.

China probably has a larger military now than it did then. Japan's is probably smaller now than it was then.

Let's face one fact, China is HUGE and has a ton of people. For the US to try actually taking territory and holding it would spread our military extremely thin. Air power is great, but you need to have boots on the ground to take and hold territory. I don't know if the US military (without a massive buildup or the support of a lot of other countries) could take control of that large an area for an extended period of time (if at all).

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IIRC, part of the terms of surrender for Japan was to abolish it's army, and use it only as a Japan-only peace keeping force (I.e. to stop riots, ect.)

I don't think Japan could stand up at all, unless they've been secretly amassing an army.

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...It's always fun to take shots or something at America, especially when it's in place of a meaningful, reasoned comment

But you have to ask yourself - how many of our missiles have "Made in Japan" written on them?

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Oh, and stop reacting so fanatically patriotic everytime I state something that suggest america isn't some godly unstoppable force of all that is good. You're annoying as hell.

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Sine: What MikeC said. All the airstrikes in the world won't help you if you're incapable of gaining and holding land.

You just say that because we pwn you too.


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Korin, what gives you the impression that the Army is incapable of gaining and holding land? The manpower-heavy Chinese military can't effectively oppose an invasion if its completely cut off from itself.

Flexor: you take every possible opportunity (and then some) to make ****ing stupid remarks about how Americans are arrogant, stupid, fat, lazy or otherwise unpleasant, and people are growing quite sick of it. Don't like America? Fine, but don't attach it like a signature to your posts and expect people to *not* react angrily. *That's* goddamned annoying as hell.

*bangs head against desk*

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Who's korin by the way?

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I've never said americans are lazy, stupid, fat or unpleasant. I only complain about people like you, who are the reason so many hate america in the first place. You're so fanatical about it, you take everything personally, and you obviousely don't grasp the concept of humor. If you can't deal with people expressing their opinions, maybe you should go elsewhere.

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That's not quite right. They are allowed to have (and do have) a defensive military. Their inventory includes F-15 fighters just for example. I don't think there's any doubt we could roll over them just from a sheer difference in numbers though.


Sine - I don't know why you are responding to Korin since I haven't seen a post by him (maybe I missed one), but your comment seems directed at my previous post.

The problem is sheer scale. The US forces would be spread very thin. I never said the US military couldn't take and hold land. My point is that it would be very difficult to complete a victory over them because of both the size of their military and the amount of land involved.

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Remember World War II?

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I place my bets on the USA. Manpower is pointless if the opposing country has enough weapons to abolish all the manpower in a matter of minutes. Of course, there are many more factors that will determine the outcome of such an event, but I think quality is better than quanity in this case.

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I obviously was referring to more than just this thread.. speaking of which, if I were "fanatical" about my patriotism, I'd mention how much I love America in every single post, no matter how irrelevant or inappropriate. You'd recognize it.

I was also reffering to more than this thread. And you may not mention that in every post, but you overreact to every post I make.


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Who says we have to take China? Just level the place with some ICBMs. Nukes are out? Fine. Hydrogen and neutron bombs away.

U.S. wins.

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I think hydrogen and neutron bombs are out too


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Hm, I wonder how many bombs the U.S. goverment really has...

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