Maybe I should take to my imagination with a pickaxe...

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i wouldn't say its an escape from reality, as its pretty simple to live life under the influence... its just a different kind of sober.

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mmm, smells like something burning.

Yeah. Pickaxes really help.

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RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Mmmm...self-lobotomy!

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I just wonder, are those of you who criticize the government for trying to stop kids from getting involved in drugs big time druggies or what? Why on earth is it stupid or a waste of money to try to educate people on the dangers of drugs? Some of you pick the wierdest things to complain about. I'm sure you'll still have no problem scoring your nickel bags if that's your thing. And just think, if drugs are ever legalized the quality will probably go down as they become more heavily regulated and the price may very well go up as the industry will be heavily taxed and third world labor working in sweat shop conditions is cut out so that corporations do the job they once held.

If you use drugs you support much evil in the world right now and that is a fact. From the criminals that profit, to the victims of crime that suffer, to everyone touched in between, you contribute to all of that.

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Anyway. On the issue. I don't know how much drug commercials actually help to stop people from doing drugs, but if they do, I think 4.5 mil is a small price to pay.

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RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

I am a non-drug user, and personally, I think that drugs should not be illegal, but that there should be prevention programs in place informing people of the risks. Things like DWI should still be illegal though, because then you are endangering the lives of others, which is a different matter.

Hmm... I'm not really sure if I agree with what I just said...

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I just find that some of the anti-drug ads are a little ridiculous. Some of them are pretty skewed and not very accurate. The curret marijuana ones are so bad, they crack me up. They just aren't realistic. If the ads educated about drugs, they'd be a lot better.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Its been proven time and time again that those commercials are INEFFECTIVE! As with dare programs, they have done studies that show kids exposed to the ads or dare programs are more likely to try drugs.

And you think the price will go up if legalized? That's ridiculous. Look at how cheap tobacco is. Marijuana is ridiculously cheap to produce. There is something like a %500 percent profit if you grow marijauna and sell it for street price. The only reason its so expensive is because of the risk involved with it.



[This message has been edited by Raoul Duke (edited January 19, 2004).]

If anything the price would not drop by much. Why? Because the government would tax the hell out of it like tobacco. Pretty hilarious that the government profits more off of tobacco than the companies that produce it. Of course I'm making an educated guess about the price of marijuana though. I'm sure some of you would know better than me how much it costs.

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But tobacco is still very cheap. 20 cigarettes for 5 bucks?

Marijuana is 5 bucks for 1 cigarette.

ROFLMAO at "a different kind of sober"

I suppose drunk is just a different kind of sober too, eh?

Seriously, that line is pure comedy gold. You should try it on a police officer some time.

"ITS JUST A DIFFERENT KIND OF SOBER!!!"

Let's face it. Marijuana is useless. The mental effects are useless. Does it make you feel happy? Maybe. But at the end of the day the high you felt was just a hollow lie, and no true joy is there from it. But what is there is the damage you've caused yourself.

You defend it because you like it, but please, don't try to fool yourselves (and especially not everyone else) into thinking that it's harmless and beneficial.

Seriously, watching distorted, petty attempts at persuading people twoards the idea that marijuana is good... well, I think it's just pathetic.

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Sources, please.

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0 of 14.

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Meh, it doesn't make me happy, its just something to occupy my time, and yes, my tounge was placed very firmly in cheek when i wrote that,and i don't understand the whole "hollow lie" thing... its just a drug for gods sake.

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mmm, smells like something burning.

Raoul Duke, do you happen to post at SD.Net?


-Fox

Sounds like you need to be taking ecstasy not marijuana...


haha no **** sherlock


We're not saying it's good for you, we're just saying infrequent use is no worse than alcohol. And unlike what some people will have you believe, it won't make you spontaneously explode into gibs like the quake-guy one day.


This is what I'm talking about, this last page has no references, but lays on the doom & gloom for sure. 3 joints a week for 3-6 months the same as smoking 7300-10950 PACKETS OF CIGARETTES?....

I have a friend who smokes pot daily, not 3 joints a week, for the entire time I've known her, over two years. Doesn't smoke cigarettes. She should be dead and buried by that information, or at the least riddled with cancer. She's not dead and she doesn't have cancer(at the last checkup).

Although the NIDA page lists 43 references, it doesn't tell you whether the information is based on hydro or bushies, whether the joints were filtered or not, whether the joints had baccy in them or not, was it cultured on other drugs?(I've had LSD cultured pot before). All refer to joints, no mention of bongs, buckets, rockets, can-bongs, party-bongs, pipes, ice-bongs, vaporizers.

So what I'm seeing here, Raoul, is that you've come to a Jedi Knight gaming website, to complain about the fact that the United States Government is trying to impress upon people that habitual and recreational drug use is bad, which it is. And then, when your "research" gets shot down, you point to it as though it were the end all source of knowledge regarding the topic, and blindly assume that nobody reads what you say.

To be perfectly honest, if you type something or if you say something to me in support of drugs, I probably won't read / listen anyways. So I guess you're right. Maybe that's why you keep smoking pot? Nobody listens, you get up tight, you toke to relieve the tension. Viscious cycle.

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Bad wording on their part. Statistically speaking, though, it is the same risk of contracting cancer.

Some people have a natural resistance to cancer - my mom smoked for about 20 years, and she's cancer-free. She's now, thankfully, chewing nicotine gum instead of smoking. But that's beside the point, which is that marijuana is dangerous, even if filtered through a bong, much like a cigarette - those nice little filters don't do much to filter out all of the carcinogenic chemicals.

And thank you, GHORG. You're the first person to favor the legalization of marijuana on this board to address the points that I bring up. It's nice to see at least someone cares enough about their case to not simply ignore opposing points in favor of living on in their own little dream world of ignorance.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
NMGOH || Jack Chick preaches it || The Link of the Dead

Commercials in general piss me off. It just tells me that the media/Gov't/media is the gov't thinks I'm easy to mold.

There is actually a job where you figure out what colors, music, etc. will best control the consumer.

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...Or perhaps they just want to tell you about something...? Most people with your attitude tend to ignore commercials because they're annoying. The person with that job has that job so they can get your attention so you don't miss out on something that could prove to be beneficial to you. Not all commercials are bad.


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they're bad because they're forcing unwanted knowledge and product placement down your throat, and somebody is actually getting paid for you to get brainwashed by that crap.

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mmm, smells like something burning.

You know, you could just change the channel...

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0 of 14.

Sometimes commercials advertise things I want.

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actually, yeah, you're right, the whole point in this thread is adverts advertising something i want

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mmm, smells like something burning.

Well obviously not all commercials are bad, but it's a useful service that has, in many cases, been horribly warped.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

Well, it's been two days since I posted my points against the legalization of marijuana, and Raoul Duke, in that time, has failed to address them, but he has succeeded in replying to others' posts.

Duke, if you're going to post an argument that supports your dream-world of drug-induced self-delusion, which quickly crumbles in the fact of reality, you shouldn't post threads like these. It really is irritating that I go to the effort of finding evidence to support my case in response to your request, and then to have it blatantly ignored in favor of maintaining your ignorance. This is at least the second time you've done this.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
NMGOH || Jack Chick preaches it || The Link of the Dead

make drugs legal and it will be a victimless crime [if crime is the right word, as we're talking legalisation], until then, people will take drugs, and the money will go to shady sources.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

Once it's made legal, what's to stop the current suppliers from simply going commercial?

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[nevermind]

[This message has been edited by Roach (edited January 21, 2004).]

because you don't go to illicit suppliers of alcohol, you go to a bar.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

I smoke marijuana maybe once a week. I bong it usually. I'm a bad person now. But if I went out and got drunk once a week its ok.

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Looking...looking...wait, I'm not finding where anyone said that they think getting drunk is okay. It amazes how often people who support the legalization of marijuana put words into opponents' mouths.

septic - the commercial situation surrounding marijuana and alcohol are not the same. Alcohol has a pre-established commercial presence, before and after prohibition. Marijuana does not. Regardless, this particular argument is complete conjecture, rendering arguing points about it rather (no pun intended) pointless.

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
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Wolfy, Sorry I didn't realize I had entered a formal debate? Jesus christ buddy loosen up.

And yes Sol, your going to hell.

I didn't read anything other than your post. I am skipping over all the replies. Read this:

Life with it. Our tax money goes to stupid crap like this. Have you ever heard of pork barrel legislation? I think $900,000 of taxpayer money went to establish a national cowgirl muesem. It's where goverment people trade votes with each other, granting them money to build stupid crap like this for their communities so they look like they are doing something.

Did you know that the total cost of this space program crap will be less than a month of the war we are doing?

Ok getting of the money issue..
It can't hurt any. It won't make someone stop smoking, but it might stop a few. If we are not told it's bad over and over again, we won't really have an image of it being "bad" and will do it for fun. They need to keep a contant image that its bad bad bad.
.. which is a load of bs. It's fun. (I am not being sarcastic. It's not addictive. It's not a gateway unless your a freaking moron to begin with)

Wolfy, no offense, but you could have shortened that poston the previous by a lot more, it seemed like you were just repeating yourself most of the time. But I understand what you were getting across, and you're right.

But you still fail to really take into the account of the real users, and the definate effects they have on people. Weed, for most people is just a "happy" high, more energy,etc. For others, it's more of a chilled out "stoned", it really depends on the person. It really depends on the person for their motives for using it, whether it being for it's high medicinal properties, or just means to make your life more interesting. Most people I know that smoke a lot don't even smoke a gram, or even smaller than that a day. Just a few hits from the pipe in the morning.

oS is right, if you use weed to make up for your lack of ability to enjoy your life, you've got emotional issues. For me, I smoke to just really help me appreciate some things I would have a harder time appreciating, and for helping me figure things out. No, I don't turn into some alter-ego jumpy a**hole,hardly anyone does really. It's mainly just the stereotype of weed doing that to you that gets people to act that way.

In conclusion, yeah, weed is not healthy for you, it's not the devil, but not something you brag about to your little sister. I think the image of how harmful weed is, is overbloated. But then again, it is harmful, and it's the goverments(and your local police departments) job to let people know the dangers of it, and to make their jobs easier by scaring you from doing illegal doings. I'm still the person I was a couple years ago before I started smoking, I still have the same friends(who most don't smoke), think the same way, get good(if not better grades) than before, etc. If you want to be a part of a peace and happyness loving culture, you're probobly going to find one if you smoke weed, and you're welcome to join. Sure, I'm for the legalization of marijuana, evenmore lax laws would be fine with me. But all in all, if you don't want something that can potentially screw up your lungs, or maybe lead into other drugs, don't smoke, plain and simple.

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Well, excuse me if I get a little irritated that you ask me for support of my position and continue to ignore the evidence I bring forth, like you did here. I get tired of doing the research, proposing my argument, only to be greeted with the absolutely brilliant argument of, "Well, cigarettes are more dangerous - why aren't they banned," or, in your case, they simply ignore me because they can't come up with evidence to support an opposing position. Seriously - don't start something you can't finish.



I posted the same thing cited within several sources to add validity to my argument - a chair stands better on four legs than one.

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[This message has been edited by Wolfy (edited January 21, 2004).]

So in other words, you've really got nothing against his points.


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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

I think drugs, even when legal, lead to certain quality of life crimes.
With addicts wandering the streets, and so on.

Probably not nearly as bad as having cartels with the powers of gowernments, but there is some reason.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

Drugs are bad. You can twist facts to say whatever the hell you want them to say, but face it: Alchohol, Weed, Cigarettes, they all contribute to ruining your health and mentality. It doesn't matter if they're legal or not. You shouldn't have to have something shoved down your throat saying you shouldn't inhale toxic fumes.

But seriously, I don't care if you do them. It's one less hour of the day I have to pay attention to a huge group of morons.

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