[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]SoaD has more meaningful lyrics than most bands out today. I bet most of you haven't even paid any attention to most of their songs let alone HEARD most of their songs. End of topic.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to hear you point out bands they're better than.

Obviously, compared to bands that choose to take a political stance. I doubt you can legitimately make the claim they're lyrics are more meaningful than "most bands out today" when you've probably only heard a portion of music being released.

Ahahaha, MB made me laugh in real life!

More like "System of a Down wishes they were Rage Against the Machine or Public Enemy, lyrically."

Seriously...SoaD's lyrics aren't that great. The only song that has really caught me lyrically was Soldier Side on the new album, because the rest of them are about stupid/shallow stuff (The "real side of Hollywood"? Dude, seriously, that's what everyone already knows Hollywood's about. Who are you kidding.), or take a RIDICULOUS political stance that's totally inane and unprovable to be even worth a damn (see: SAJN's sig, though I don't think that's a lyric, it displays SoaD's questionable political stance), or are just plain nonsense (Aerials).

You can say you like their lyrics, but you can't go "LOL THEY HAVE THE MOST MEANINGFUL LYRICS IN THE WORLD" like the silly fanboy you are. Don't make me post Rhymesayers ****, ya'll

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]SoaD has more meaningful lyrics than most bands out today. I bet most of you haven't even paid any attention to most of their songs let alone HEARD most of their songs. End of topic.[/QUOTE]


The Cure > Soad.

I've hade the mispleasure of hearing nearly every Soad song, and attempting to listen closely. The only thing I heard was a ranting hippie with a baratone voice, wrapped tight in muddy downtuned guitars.

Big freaking deal.

The Cure covers more ground, is more diverse, and is deeper than soad.


(This post brought to you by the need to also throw my favorite band into the X is better than soad argument equation)

Except that the lead singer of The Cure makes my ears bleed with his incessant crybaby wailing.

music is for hippies

spe is for hippies

You've listened to maybe one Cure song, then.

just like rob thinks SoaD is Mud, you think the cure is wailing.

I say Pain Of Salvation is still superior to these two bands.

I would hardly call The Cure contemporary. Sure, they're still making music (which I like very much, by the way), but the 80s was Robert Smith's decade... not the 90s, and certainly not the 2000s.

SoaD* is a really good band.


* Before most of mezmerize and all of hypnotize(dear god that wasn't a good album whatsoever. do i even need to say "lonely day")

i miss. metro, forest, P.L.U.C.K., innervision, aerials.. toxicity?!

the only thing that i found enjoyable to listen to was "Vicinity Of Obscenity" and only because it reminded me of Chick 'N' Stu.

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I would. They're still very big and widely listened to. They're just not considered pop anymore.

The Cure sucks, btw, but other than that they're alright.

They're as contemporary as Joy Division.

Another band thats better than SoaD.

Yeah, Joy Division kicks ***.

WTF? Mezmerize and Hypnotize are the two most original sounding albums to come from anyone in the past few years. Mezmerize and Hypnotize both had their own unique sounds. They aren't your generic heavy metal, or punk rock, or emo or hardcore etc...they are their own sound. How many bands today sound the exact same? A lot of them. Hell I can barley tell one punk band from the other. (Reply: BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.) SoaD, Toxicity, and STA all had slightly different sounding tunes, but it wasn't until Mez/Hyp that SoaD decided to explore into other types of music. BYOB starts off with screaming, and then goes right into a disco style chorus. Old School Hollywood mixes new rock with 80's techno sounds. Each song on the two new albums sound like they all belong to seperate albums, and that is why Mezmerize and Hypnotize has been getting all the positive feedback. Mezmerize AND Hypnotize both came out at #1 on the charts.

because top sales and rave reviews from pop mags makes a band the greatest thing ever since sliced bread.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]WTF? Mezmerize and Hypnotize are the two most original sounding albums to come from anyone in the past few years. Mezmerize and Hypnotize both had their own unique sounds. They aren't your generic heavy metal, or punk rock, or emo or hardcore etc...they are their own sound. How many bands today sound the exact same? A lot of them. Hell I can barley tell one punk band from the other. (Reply: BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.) SoaD, Toxicity, and STA all had slightly different sounding tunes, but it wasn't until Mez/Hyp that SoaD decided to explore into other types of music. BYOB starts off with screaming, and then goes right into a disco style chorus. Old School Hollywood mixes new rock with 80's techno sounds. Each song on the two new albums sound like they all belong to seperate albums, and that is why Mezmerize and Hypnotize has been getting all the positive feedback. Mezmerize AND Hypnotize both came out at #1 on the charts.[/QUOTE]

BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.

READ THIS DEFINITION KTHXBYE

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]WTF? Mezmerize and Hypnotize are the two most original sounding albums to come from anyone in the past few years. Mezmerize and Hypnotize both had their own unique sounds. They aren't your generic heavy metal, or punk rock, or emo or hardcore etc...they are their own sound. How many bands today sound the exact same? A lot of them. Hell I can barley tell one punk band from the other. (Reply: BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.) SoaD, Toxicity, and STA all had slightly different sounding tunes, but it wasn't until Mez/Hyp that SoaD decided to explore into other types of music. BYOB starts off with screaming, and then goes right into a disco style chorus. Old School Hollywood mixes new rock with 80's techno sounds. Each song on the two new albums sound like they all belong to seperate albums, and that is why Mezmerize and Hypnotize has been getting all the positive feedback. Mezmerize AND Hypnotize both came out at #1 on the charts.[/QUOTE]

lolopinion.

In other news--Mezmerize and Hypnotize were hyped to no end, even moreso than Toxicity (and that's impressive.) Marketing usually does yield good results as far as sales of items go. It's an amazing, mindblowing concept, I know.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]WTF? Mezmerize and Hypnotize are the two most original sounding albums to come from anyone in the past few years. Mezmerize and Hypnotize both had their own unique sounds. They aren't your generic heavy metal, or punk rock, or emo or hardcore etc...they are their own sound. How many bands today sound the exact same? A lot of them. Hell I can barley tell one punk band from the other. (Reply: BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.) SoaD, Toxicity, and STA all had slightly different sounding tunes, but it wasn't until Mez/Hyp that SoaD decided to explore into other types of music. BYOB starts off with screaming, and then goes right into a disco style chorus. Old School Hollywood mixes new rock with 80's techno sounds. Each song on the two new albums sound like they all belong to seperate albums, and that is why Mezmerize and Hypnotize has been getting all the positive feedback. Mezmerize AND Hypnotize both came out at #1 on the charts.[/QUOTE]

And yet, anything that mixes genres other than rock is "crappy techno" yes? :p

Agree to disagree you poptarts.

You know, originality doesn't make music good. Being musical makes music good. The majority of famous classical composers (Mozart for example) weren't at all original, but they were just really good at what they did.

Anyway, music is pleasing to us if it's familiar. Listen to enough music and you'll probably end up liking every genre and band out there. Using the same logic (which has been demonstrated to be pretty sound), a truly original band would be completely unlistenable because there would be no stepping stones to get to that band.

What you say is all very true, but that doesn't mean a band that resorts to cliché is necessarily more accessible.

Perhaps you could say that the really good bands go about being musical in an original way, as opposed to just "being original"?

i dont like boring bands, most bands mentioned here have too much structure.

I really like SoaD. However, their newest CD is, in my opinion, their worst CD. While the typical style of SoaD was "music HALT change tempo music HALT", their newest CD seems to use this too much. I find myself, whenever I pop in the CD, starting at Vicinity of Obscenity, going to the end, and then back to Vicinity Obscenity.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]WTF? Mezmerize and Hypnotize are the two most original sounding albums to come from anyone in the past few years. Mezmerize and Hypnotize both had their own unique sounds. They aren't your generic heavy metal, or punk rock, or emo or hardcore etc...they are their own sound. How many bands today sound the exact same? A lot of them. Hell I can barley tell one punk band from the other. (Reply: BUT THATZ BECUZ U DONT LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND PUNK U LISTEN TO DA MAINSTREM POPPY CRAP LOL.) SoaD, Toxicity, and STA all had slightly different sounding tunes, but it wasn't until Mez/Hyp that SoaD decided to explore into other types of music. BYOB starts off with screaming, and then goes right into a disco style chorus. Old School Hollywood mixes new rock with 80's techno sounds. Each song on the two new albums sound like they all belong to seperate albums, and that is why Mezmerize and Hypnotize has been getting all the positive feedback. Mezmerize AND Hypnotize both came out at #1 on the charts.[/QUOTE]

SoaD really isn't that unique.

I like Bad Religion.

What bands in this genre do you consider good? I'm assuming you're thinking of a lot of older stuff. Probably not as mainstream as The Clash or the Sex Pistols either, like The Buzzcocks or something?



Oh, and I don't really care for SoaD. The guy has a cool voice, but that's about all they have going for them from what I can tell.

My list of punk (which often is what other people would consider Indie, hardcore, or post-punk, but its all punk to me baby!):

60s (proto)
MC5
Iggy Pop and The Stooges
Velvet Underground

70s
The Dead Boys
The Sex Pistols
The Clash
The New York Dolls
The Buzzcocks
The Ramones
Ruts*
The Jam*
Television
Blondie
Talking Heads
Suicide
Gang of Four
The Slits

80s
Minor Threat
Fugazi
Nation of Ulysess
Bad Brains
Wire
Joy Divison
The Cure
State of Alert (S.O.A.)
Sonic Youth
Rites of Spring
Pixies
Husker Du*
R.E.M.*
The Adolescents*
The Replacements*
Devo*
Dead Kennedys*


90s/2000s
The Plastic Constellations
Les Savy Fav
Detachment Kit
Nirvana
Sunny Day Real Estate
Q and Not U
World Inferno Friendship Society
At the Drive In
Dismemberment Plan
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
The Strokes
The White Stripes*
Sleater-Kinney*
The Refused*

*Denotes a band I forgot to mention my first time.

Lot's of good stuff there, except a lack of Bad Religion. :p

I'm not so sure about The Stroke's or the Yeah Yeah Yeah's. From what I've listened to, nothing really special there.

You forgot The Exploited, Cheap Sex, et al.

Too bad punk still sucks.

Fugazi and ATDI are two of my favourite bands going around, Strokes are unreal too.

and eversor... i wouldnt consider all those bands punk, but at least add Refused!

And i wouldnt want to complain anyway, you listen to some of the best bands around

Gah, where the hell are the Dead Kennedys!?

The Pixies are only punk in their independence. Their sound isn't really punk. I consider punk to be stripped down, energetic, frenetic rock 'n' roll. I would call half of the White Stripes' stuff to be punk.

Either way, genres suck. Almost as much as punk. So stop using them. For the kittens.

SoaD ate my cat.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Joy Division -> Post Punk
The Cure -> Not punk

There is no way you can listen to Seventeen Seconds, Faith, or Pornography and call The Cure punk.

If you do, you suck at life.

serj would never do well with fugazi

Fugazi would own Serj's face and stupid facial hair straight off.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Either way, genres suck. Almost as much as punk. So stop using them. For the kittens.[/QUOTE]
Your genre is UGLY!