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Nar Shaddaa
2003-05-28, 8:20 AM #41
I agree 100% with what Emon and Jipe said.

And Saxman? From Dictionary.com:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">slummy

adj : (of housing or residential areas) indicative of poverty; "a slummy part of town"; "slum conditions"</font>


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Incredible work, Sine. I think I soiled myself!
2003-05-28, 5:38 PM #42
Geez, it's odd how no one cares that Lucas used something from EU in the films...oh well, I tried.

I still think those blue lightbulbs shouldnt give off that much light, Sine.

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2003-05-28, 6:13 PM #43
When was that, HD?

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2003-05-28, 7:57 PM #44
Coruscant was named by Timothy Zahn (I think the final name Lucas used in concept work was Junctor or something like that) and Lucas used it in TPM. For some reason I thought I saw something REALLY late by Lucas that named the Imperial throneworld Coruscant, but it turned out to be more or less fanfiction using elements of Lucas' earliest pre-film Star Wars writings (the Kaiburr Crystal, etc) and was written sometime nearer to when Heir to the Empire came out.

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2003-05-29, 10:03 AM #45
Meh!


Hey Sine, is there any shot that you can release an MP version of the map while we are awaiting the SP version's scripting? I know it might not fly depending on the settings, or that you might not want to release it on its own right now as a FFA, but trust me, we will all still play the SP version because we are all plot freaks!

I just want to play that level!!!!! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

To quote Indigo Montoya: "I hate waiting."



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2003-05-29, 10:14 AM #46
That is grrrrreat stuff, Sine. I want to be in Nar very very soon.

Personally, the EU has some good stuff and bad stuff. Stuff like the X-Wing and Rogue Squadron books were good, but this Vong stuff = crap. Think that this "Vong Stuff" never happened. I know I have.

To pretend to be a strict anti-EU person:
OMQ STFU EU n00bs GORGE LUKAS r TEH 1337 PWNAGE

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[This message has been edited by JDKNITE188 (edited May 29, 2003).]
2003-05-29, 12:56 PM #47
This is when, Emon:

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Hard_Driver:
A friend told me that George Lucas has said Dark Empire, Thrawn Trilogy, and New Jedi Order are canon. This is pretty much because he can't be arsed to write more stuff that occurred after the movies and that he thinks the writers are excellent. A hint of this: Coruscant was not called that name until Zahn used George's ideas for a political city planet for ROTJ originally named Had Abbadon. He scrapped this idea for ROTJ because he didn't have the technology to represent such a place and knew that he would eventually represent it in the prequels. Then Zahn came along and used the idea in his Thrawn Trilogy of novels and called it Coruscant. George then used that name in the prequels and we got a first glimpse in ROTJ SE. (useless but nice information)

You can do what you want Sine, I'll just imagine they rebuilt Nar Shaddaa.

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Thank you for backing me up, Saxman. I read this stuff in Star Wars Insider(official Star Wars magazine) so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about, guys.


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2003-05-30, 2:55 AM #48
Um, Saxman said this:

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">the EU is non-canon. List posted a while back by LucasFilms, Ltd to answer this question once the EU literatue began appearing:
ONLY the films, film novelizations, and radio drama adaptations are canon. Artwork and other such related materials used to make the films, provided it does not contadict the final versions as seen in the films, may also be considered canon. The radio dramas, novels, and presumably concept material serve to fill in the gaps left by the movie (the Derra IV Massacre is mentioned in the ESB radio drama, making Commander Narra's existence and death canon, however his participation at Yavin is NOT canon because it's mentioned in none of those sources) and there's a strict hierarchy in the event of disagreements (which happens due to changes in script/etc during poduction): The radio dramas are overridden by the novels, and the films override EVERYTHING (therefore the Rebel Medical Frigate in RotJ is one of the small Nebulon-B Escort Frigates as shown on-screen, NOT one of the winged Liberty-class Star Cruisers referred to in the radio drama and novelization).

The EU and various games, technical manuals and other resources are considered official, but NON-canon as long as they don't directly contradict the films. The canon sources override the EU/games/other lesser offical souces (the size of the Executor being the most obvious).

Anything NOT made by LucasArts/LucasFilm or anything that directly contradicts the canon sources falls under the category of apocrypha. This includes fanfiction/films, as well as official literature or productions that contadicts or is overruled by the movies (which includes the novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, written before Empire Strikes Back was conceived, and the Star Wars Holiday Special). It's never made clear whether elements of EU literature which contradicts the canon renders the entire work as apocrypha or not (IE: Zahn's trilogy sets the Clone Wars exactly 50 years prior to ANH, directly contradicting the setting as presented in the Prequel Trilogy. However does this make the entirety of the Thrawn Trilogy apocrypha?)

Lucas can therefore contradict the EU literature all he wants. It's not a part of the canon and he has no obligation to include it in the history of the Star Wars Universe and numerous examples exist of the prequels directly contradicting the EU (Threepio's age and origin, Owen Lars is NOT Obi-Wan's brother, the Death Star was NOT designed by Bevel Lemelisk in the Maw).

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Which does NOT back you up. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2003-06-04, 10:17 PM #49
I was talking about the Coruscant thing, nerfherder.

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2003-06-04, 11:49 PM #50
Saxman, next time you post something like that, Could you please put spoiler warnings or something near it? I havent read the NJO yet, and I'm quite looking forward to it, and have already been spoiled by a number of things concerning it due to people not putting frickin' warnings before their posts.

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2003-06-05, 2:23 AM #51
Who's a nerfherder, Sith Spit?

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2003-06-05, 4:06 AM #52
Bah, I shouldn't have brought a thread from the dead anyway. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2003-06-05, 6:29 AM #53
yes, normally I would agree, but sometimes one must make exceptions
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2003-06-05, 6:36 AM #54
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sine Nomen:
yes, normally I would agree, but sometimes one must make exceptions</font>


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2003-06-05, 8:24 AM #55
So, when do we get to see more pics!!!!

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2003-06-05, 10:44 AM #56
Man, this is looking great, so let's stop arguing and then we can see some more screenshots of this level...and then play it! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-06-05, 2:12 PM #57
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joren DarkStar:
Sine, why not just make it a couple years after JO, and make everybody happy?

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everyone is happy, except saxman.


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2003-06-06, 3:57 PM #58
I hope you remember that I reserved the first manbabies. Oh, and by the way, absolutely fan-****ing-tastic.

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2003-06-07, 9:33 AM #59
of course, four.

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11339.jpg]

meh
A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

art
2003-06-07, 10:23 AM #60
Nice attention to detail. Pleh, I am happy because in my mind things were rebuilt after the NJO series.

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[This message has been edited by Hard_Driver (edited June 07, 2003).]
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2003-06-07, 10:36 AM #61
don't remind me.
A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

art
2003-06-07, 10:55 AM #62
Sex.

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2003-06-07, 10:56 AM #63
An obligatory manbabies comment should go here, but alas, it seems to be missing.

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2003-06-07, 10:59 AM #64
Manbabies!

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2003-06-07, 4:45 PM #65
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Hard_Driver:
Nice attention to detail. Pleh, I am happy because in my mind things were rebuilt after the NJO series.

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leave. it. alone. It doesn't matter whether or not it coincides with this one book you liked.


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saberopus
2003-06-07, 5:01 PM #66
I don't know how the f*** you can make JO look so awesome just from a single screenshot, but you can. I don't even understand it, but the pics look quite realistic definitely creating the intended atmosphere. Sine, you rule.

/me looks at screens of my own map in disgust

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Live long JK2. You rock.

See my blood sweat and tears in the SP map Corrupted Paths. Screens here: http://imagebase.freewebspace.com/photo.html
2003-06-08, 3:59 AM #67
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">IT DOESN'T ****ING MATTER! I don't care what contradicts what, it's still Star Wars, it still can be great literature, and I really don't give a **** whether or not it's canon. I am especially annoyed by both pro-EU idiots who are like "Ohh, it's still canon this new book explains the inconsistancies blah blah blah" and anti-EU idiots that are like "STFU n00bz its nut jorge lookis its not cannon FOOLZ omgn00b i juzt hate EU cuz i'm lazy 2 red LOLOLZ omgwtf"</font>

Emon, can I use this for my new sig? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-06-08, 7:50 AM #68
It's kind of long, but okay. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2003-06-08, 8:52 AM #69
btw, Very nice Sine. Very nice.

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IT DOESN'T ****ING MATTER! I don't care what contradicts what, it's still Star Wars, it still can be great literature, and I really don't give a **** whether or not it's canon. I am especially annoyed by both pro-EU idiots who are like "Ohh, it's still canon this new book explains the inconsistancies blah blah blah" and anti-EU idiots that are like "STFU n00bz its nut jorge lookis its not cannon FOOLZ omgn00b i juzt hate EU cuz i'm lazy 2 red LOLOLZ omgwtf"

- Emon
2003-06-08, 11:11 AM #70
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11349.jpg]

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/11350.jpg]

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A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

art
2003-06-08, 11:13 AM #71
Taht lighting = LOLWTFOMQR0X0RS

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2003-06-08, 11:23 AM #72
Sweet.

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2003-06-08, 12:08 PM #73
That bottle...
It's in the most perfect spot...
Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk?
2003-06-08, 12:12 PM #74
Looking good as usual. I don't know what to say really.

Guys, just a little announcement I want to make:
I see not how I can stir up such hatred when it's just my opinion... I am not telling anyone to believe what I believe. I just thought it was interesting how George used some bit of EU in his movies and as far as the rebuilding thing goes this is how the level fits into the timeline in my mind. So excuse me...

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2003-06-08, 1:05 PM #75
It's just that we find it (more than) a little annoying that you have to tell us how you're going to reconcile my plot with your version of events.. we don't care...
A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

art
2003-06-08, 2:59 PM #76
[) 2/ 0 0 1 5

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Live long JK2. You rock.

See my blood sweat and tears in the SP map Corrupted Paths. Screens here: http://imagebase.freewebspace.com/photo.html
2003-06-08, 10:03 PM #77
I give up...

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2003-06-09, 8:25 AM #78
Good.

Meanwhile, Sine, level looks great as always, and I'm of the school that it's your level, so you can do whatever you **** well please with the plot. And if for some reason some people can't deal with that, tough.

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2003-06-09, 6:31 PM #79
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darko:
Good.

Meanwhile, Sine, level looks great as always, and I'm of the school that it's your level, so you can do whatever you **** well please with the plot. And if for some reason some people can't deal with that, tough.

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Yeah. Cause I'll still think it's incredible and be super incredibly jealous.

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2003-06-09, 7:27 PM #80
MY PANTS ARE TIGHT.

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