wtf?? i dont remember even typing 'dawg'.. thats weird :S

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[This message has been edited by kak (edited December 14, 2003).]

Unless there's another three-letter "curse word" that I don't know about, I believe that "a" should be "an".

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Damn... I was hoping for some in-depth intelligent war vs anti-war debating here (well it has been a while!), but this thread had to go and degenerate into this.

I even did my research on this topic this morning so I'd be completely up to speed. Ah well

Here's hoping Mikus gets himself banned before the next Iraqi-flavoured thread.

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I'll argue Spork, which side did you want me to be on?

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Roach - The mental patient sits and stares.
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Snake-Eyes: It's a nice sentiment, but Iraq wasn't a terrorist threat.

Heh, I guess it's the thought that counts.

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WTF is going on??? A friendly congratulatory note to the American Soldiers turns into a heated debate?!?

I'm thankful of my freedom all the soldiers worked so hard for.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence

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"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem solve itself?"

Well, perhaps just a simple discussion pointing out key points and making observations about aspects of the conflict including causes, excuses, results, and various ratio figures?

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Roach - The mental patient sits and stares.
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Here's a topic:

Now that we have Saddam, should be try to spend more time on Osama, or should we just move on to "rebuilding"?

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I move to change the current topic to the merits of government spending for studies of the mating habits of the Asian Water Buffalo.

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The capture of Saddam will have a very minimal (if any) impact on the Coalition's plans and tactics in Iraq, or Afghanistan. It is very much still business as normal for the troops and Generals, they still have countries to stabilise and rebuild. G.W. has a trophy for his wall, everything else is much the same.

The Coalition troops did not enter Iraq solely to capture or kill Saddam, their mission goes way above and beyond just that.

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My thoughts exactly.



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If you aren't Arab (and in this case, Arab isn't equivalent to Muslim), you probably don't understand the honor structure of those people. In this case, while Saddam remained free and was able to demonstrate his strength by surviving and directing attacks against coalition forces, his former Ba'ath party supporters were willing to fight for him.

With him captured, you can expect to see the vast majority of the domestic Iraqi resistance disappear.

The foreign (i.e., Syrian and Iranian) destabilization efforts will continue until a effective domestic police force exists.
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Not only will the Ba'athists be less inclined to fight, but the "Lion of Tikrit" was found hiding in a hole in the ground, and submitted to the disgrace of a televised medical exam.

This is a great shame for the fearless leader to be found hiding. The Iraqi are no longer afraid of his return to power. One of the Iraqi reporters at the press conference pointedly asked if the ban on capital punishment could be lifted in this case, Paul Bremmer and his Iraqi counterpart in the conditional government had to remain noncommittal.
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Interesting things to think about. I sincerely hope that the attacks will fall a little bit with the capture of Saddam; those loyalists from the days of his regime will now have their hopes of a revitalized Saddam era crushed a little bit more.

Also, someone here kept mentioning that we "killed tens of thousands" or something.
That may not be true (and probably isn't, but in fact a gross exaggeration), but what IS true is that there's some 300,000 Iraqis in mass graves from Saddam.

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Funny thing about the honor system, leaders seem to be immune. The passive action on the part of Saddam could be viewed as a "clever tactic" on his part.



Actually, I seem to recall in the Bush Administrations last back-flip before the war started was a Ultamatium given by G.W. that said something to the effect of: "to prevent war, Saddam (and his son's) must surrender himself himself..."

Just for kicks [language warning]:
http://www.theflasharchive.com/f/f-203.htm

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[This message has been edited by Friend14 (edited December 14, 2003).]

1) OKAY there Connection. Time to set you straight before ploughing in on HW ;D. He HAS been captured.

2) The US Media is truthful with us. Too many people use the net for news, which, although I wouldn't put it past being filtered, I doubt it is. To say OMG IT'S CENSORED THE GOVERNMENT HAX0RZ OUR BOX0RZ TO CONTROL OUR NET! would be conspiracy theology, which isn't an expertise of mine. Yes I know I probably made a ****ed up word coupling right there, but it's 11:30, and I'm tired. Sue me.

3) No, we never said "THIS IS THE END," merely that it is a step. This demoralizes Iraq, or strengthens them. One of the two, though the former is obviously far more likely.

What do we have to be proud of? That we've caught one of the biggest terrorist threats in the WORLD maybe. You see, non-americans JUST DON'T GET IT most the time. They don't understand wtf a terrorist attack does to a person. All throughout the country it scares the BEJESUS out of you. No matter who you are, no matter how anti-american you are, you're like "Holy ****." I'm not an expert, but I don't think Canada's ever had it's economy r00ted like ours was when they attacked us, although I can't say the same for Britain. Heh. Most people today though just don't get too many terrorist threats. Unless you live in the Mid-East, or Orient, your lives are fairly threat-free. Americans have many idols and symbols in our cosm, and when one of these falls, it hurts us each in our own way.

You mistake most people's support for Bush. Many people support decisions he makes, not the person himself. I think he's an idiot, but hey, he's got balls.

Anyways...time for teh report! :/


[Edit]BTW, I didn't notice the multiple pages, so excuse me if I am redundant in my posting. Sorreh.[/Edit]
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As far against my POV this is, it's the first anti-american argument that's made SENSE!



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"The US Media is truthful with us"

Depends on your definition of 'truth'. But let's say they are truthful with us. That doesnt mean the govt. is truthful with the media. The govt has much control over media, as seen by the secrecy over Bush's thanksgiving trip. When the govt wants to, it can keep the press from releasing info until the right time.
Also, President George Bush Sr. started a policy where the media were not allowed to photograph the coffins of american soldiers being loaded off cargo planes. Every president since then as continued that policy. So the govt can limit the media when it feels the need.

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But notice, since Bush Sr. the internet has been introduced. You didn't read ALL of my post, did you? :/

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WOW. You live in iraq?


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Dj Yoshi:

1) That's what they were saying on TV when I posted that. My mistake.



Heheheheheh.


3) Okay, so we agree.


...and have you ever thought that maybe Canada's economy doesn't get "r00ted" because we're a peaceful nation, and our foreign policy doesn't involve dropping thousands of troops into weaker countries to "liberate" them? Nobody has a reason to hate us. The terrorist attacks you speak of don't just happen; there is always a cause behind them.


If the US wanted to save some lives, then why didn't they put an end to all the **** that's been going down in Africa for the past 100 years? Because it doesn't work to the government's advantage.


I admire the courage and bravery of the American Soldiers in Iraq, and mourn for the losses of all that died.

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Eat the pudding.

The only way to get news onto the internet is to first have somebody on the ground getting the information. That person on the ground is the one that the government decides how much info to give. Whatever he gets is what shows up on the internet, plus his/her own little spin to it.

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"And when I vest my flashing sword And my hand takes hold in judgement I will take vengeance upon mine enemies And I will repay those who hase me O Lord, raise me to Thy right hand And count me amoung Thy saints." - Il Duce, The Boondock Saints

and there are other governments too, than just the american sucky one. Which btw denied the access to iraq from reporters that weren't american or british...

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No, I think it doesn't get r00ted because we protect you guys a lot, while you guys build up your economy from all the ****ing liberals. Terrorists may hate us, but they hate nearly other powerful/decently rich country out there. Including canada. Then there are those terrorists whom are just indiscriminatory...:/

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Somalia.


You're also conveniently forgetting Bush's little-publicized African AIDs program that seems to have fall into the shadow in light of the war in Iraq.

I may not like Bush, but he has done a few good things, in my opinion.

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[This message has been edited by Wolfy (edited December 15, 2003).]

Wolfy: Bush butchered his AIDS aid plan shortly after he announced it. The administration seems to be playing with budget numbers to cater to popular causes.